SMACC - price list

[Damien]

Because of a Public demand for base prizes, here are some minimum prizes.

Definition of SMACC :

Society of Merchants And Cost Control.

Definition of SMACC member rights : Every person who can craft masterwork items, that is, the best item of a profession, is automatically Member of SMACC, and therefor has the right and duty to control that noone sells below the fixed SMACC minimum prizes. Bound to the SMACC minimum prices is everyone who sells one of the listed items on the open market of Troll's Bane. Every SMACC member, defined above, has the right to set a punishment on people who sell far under the set prices, and ruin the market for fellow merchants that way. It is possible to lower prices in a mass trade, SMACC defines the possible maximum percentages.
Exceptions are special prices amongst friends, and the shopkeepers ((NPC's)).

SMACC Pricelist :
This pricelist is thought to be the guiding market price list standard. Every listed item on a merchants list MUST NOT be cheaper than this list prices.

Swords and Daggers :
Two handed Sword : 250 G
Fire Sword : 200 G
Normal Longsword (steel) : 100 G
Normal Broadsword (white) : 100 G
Shortsword : 70 G
Thin Dagger : 60 G
Sharp Dagger : 40 G
Cheap Dagger (white one, Zombie-found) : 20 G

Axes and blunt weapons :
Big Waraxe : 200 G
Big War Hammer : 180 G
Double-bladed Axe (Demon-found) : 150 G
Long Axe : 130 G
Morning Star : 120 G
Mace w. wooden handle : 50 G

Shields :
Knight Shield : 250 G
Lion Shield : 200 G
Round Metal Shield : 80 G
Colored metal Shield : 80 G
B/W metal Shield : 70 G
White metal shield : 60 G
Wooden Shield : 20 G

Armors and Clothes :
Torso Plate : 500 G
Chainmail Shirt : 300 G
Plate boots : 150 G
Plate Gloves : 150 G
Knight's helmets : 150 G
Full Helmet : 120 G
Chain Helmet : 100 G
Half Helmet : 90 G
Horned Helmet (steel) : 80 G
Horned Helmet (blue) : 40 G
Horned Helmet (zombie-found) : 20 G
Full hardleather-armor : 250 G
Half hardleather-armor : 150 G
Full hardleather legs : 150 G
Half hardleather legs : 100 G
Hunting-armor (green) : 70 G
Leather Torso armor : 50 G
Robe : 150 G
Wizard hat, two colors or ribbon : 200 G
Wizard Hat, one color : 150 G
Leather Boots : 80 G
Leather Gloves : 60 G
Cape : 30 G
Hat : 20 G
Leather Shoes : 15 G
Pants : 10 G
Shirts : 5 G

Distance weapons :
Bow : 100 G
Crossbow : 150 G
1 Javelin : 5 G
1 Throwing Star : 5 G
1 Arrow : 1 G
1 Crossbow bolt : 1 G
1 Wind Arrow : 3 G (can be used for sniper activity!)

Staffs and wands :
Magic Wand (classical skull-motive) : 180 G
Battle Staff, w. blades : 80 G
Heavy Staff, red or blue : 50 G
Various staffs with nicer design : 15-20 G
Simple staff : 10 G
natural staff (w. hand-shaped branches at end) : 5 G

Potions (Tavern Names in Brackets) :
Poison (Beer) : 8 G
Red Healing potion (Wine) : 6 G
Food potion (Elven Wine) : 10 G
Mana Potion (Blue Wine): 10 G
Strong Healing Potion : 15 G
Wind Potion : 15 G (can be used for sniper activity!)

Food :
Grapes : 0,5 G
Apple : 0,5 G
Cherry : 0,5 G
Strawberry : 0,5 G
Grey Fish : 1 G
Trout : 2 G
Meat, raw : 2 G
Meat, ready-to-eat : 3 G
Bread : 4 G
Rolls : 3 G
Cake : 7 G

Ressources :
Strawberry : 0,5 G
Bulbsponge mushroom : 1 G
Red Head mushroom : 3 G
Toadstool mushroom : 0,5 G
Firnis Blossom : 1 G
Donf blade : 3 G
Desert Sky Capsule : 2 G
Sand berry : 4 G
Leather : 1 G
Coal : 1 G
Ore : 1 G
Wood : 2 G
Grain : 1 G
Cabbage : 1 G
Flour : 1 G
Dough : 2 G
Wool (directly from sheep) : 0,5 G
Wool (finished) : 1 G
Cloth : 2 G
Yarn : 1 G
Raw Diamond : 8G
Raw Topaz : 7 G
Raw other gems : 6 G
Diamond : 15 G
Topaz : 12 G
Other gems : 10 G
Gold Nugget : 25 G

Rings and golden items
Diamond Ring : 250 G
Topaz Ring : 220 G
Other Ring w. Gem : 200 G
Crown : 150 G
Simple Ring : 120 G
Golden Cup : 100 G

Other items :
Books 50 G
Silver bar 250 G
Metal Cup : 20 G
Different tools : 10 G
Harp : 250 G
Lute : 200 G
Horn : 50 G
Metal star amulet : 40 G
Green stone amulet : 40 G
Empty bottle : 4 G

Remember you can sell for higher prices. These prices are minimal prices. Everyone who sells numbers of listed items for a price that is 10 or more per cent cheaper than the SMACC list prize, or for a list price that is lower than the SMACC- prizes, can be accused by every SMACC- member ( or every person that is able to craft masterwork items and is a SMACC member automatically ).
If you sell larger amounts to other merchants or crafters, you are allowed sell for a lower "mass"price. This price MUST NOT be lower than the following list alows :

Allowed Price reduction for mass trades :
more than 100 items : price reduction MAX. 10% ( = 9 / 10 cost )
more that 250 items : price reduction MAX. 20% ( = 4 / 5 cost )
more than 500 items : price reduction MAX. 30% ( = 2 / 3 cost )
more than 1000 items : price reduction MAXIMAL 50% ( = 1 / 2 cost )


SMACC actives List
The listed persons have actively responded to the SMACC Merchants price list, and will count for a founding council of SMACC, if such a thing is held. In such a meeting, SMACC representative Leadership elections on organisational belongings and discussions can be held.
Damien
Aragon
Astral
Sirius
Caranthir
Zasmia
Roke
Rhiko
Blackscales
Peggy Komoshio
Liones
Wolle
Dyluck
Guklok
Askarion
Setherioth
Gandela
Grok Ironhammer
Clemen
Treason
Avenarius
Korso
Sandokan

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Wandering merchants division of Silverstar Merchants
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§1 :

1.1) These prices are the MINIMAL prices that must appear on every SMACC-Merchant's price list.

1.2) It is allowed to give a 10% haggling bonus on sold items. It is NOT allowed to include this bonus into any price list. That would procuce an unfair market advantage for this merchant, compared to the other merchants.

§2 :
Possible punishments for SMACC rule violators:

2.1) Punishments for selling cheaper than 10% under SMACC list price depend on the SMACC- List Value of all sold items together.
-Up to 100 G : No punishment necessary. Inform person about SMACC.
-More than 100G : Demand 1/3 of the sale value from the person, in the name of SMACC.

2.2) If the person does not pay the set punishment fee, report him to the SMACC by gathering other SMACC members, and force person to pay or work off the punishment fee. If you approach such individuals as SMACC group representatives, the punishment fee should be divided amongst all participating SMACC members.

2.3) SMACC members can keep the half of the earned punishment fee for themselves. The other half will be given to a SMACC- representative, and will be used for SMACC-Association buildings, Marketplaces, or whatever.
§3 :
EMBARGO. Merchants who sold below the SMACC list price and the 10% haggling span, and who do not pay their punishment fees, can be restricted with a SMACC- Embargo.

3.1)This Embargo is defined as follows :
- No SMACC member will buy, or sell, any item to any person on the Embargo list.
- The Embargo will last until the person pays the SMACC punishment fee and agrees to the SMACC prices.
- A person on the embargo list, will not be allowed to use any SMACC- related structures, for example SMACC-owned market places or SMACC-buildings.

3.2) SMACC merchants who willingly violate an embargo, and trade with such a person, will have to pay a 20 Silver Bars punishment fee. In case of not knowing about the embargo, they will have to pay a one silver duty fee, and must be asked to read the embargo list.

At the moment, there are no SMACC representatives, so SMACC Members can keep the full earned amount. This will change when a SMACC- leadership is elected.
At the Moment, there is no embargo list. With the election of a SMACC- council, someone (propably a council member) will put up such a list.


(Edited by Damien at 10:14 pm on Mar. 14, 2002)


(Edited by Damien at 10:30 pm on Mar. 19, 2002)

[Aragon]

Wonderful, fair prices for craftsman!!!

Come on, join SMACC and use these prices here!

[Astral]

Count me in, I am tired of others giving of items for free!

[Sirius]

Wonderfull i love this list

[Caranthir the great]

Finally!
i am in!

[Zasmia]

Kuckuck!

Hui, these prices are really fine. But what about the herbs and mushrooms?
And don`t forget to give the bartender at the tavern a tip...

[Roke]

Remember, if you can craft items you can not be OUT.  Great job Damien and thanks.  #me writes downt he prices on a scroll

[Rhiko]

I am so in,i hate sharing items not to be stingy that is

[Blackscales]

I think all of the prices are pretty good , except for the food(only because it is challenging to make and aquire), and the resources( you can make a ton of of 250 ore and coal if you are a master). Otherwise I think it is  a pretty good idea. I was getting sick of seeing new people get ripped off.

[Peggy Komoshio]

sounds good to me, count me in.

But what about flute and charm of ice bird?  They'ren't mentioned in the list

(Edited by Peggy Komoshio at 2:35 am on Mar. 12, 2002)

[Setherioth]

Since the flute and the ice bird are so rare, we'll never have a problem with somebody selling it for too low, so those prices are to the highest bidder

[Roke]

As I have said before this is a great thing for Illarion.  It will take some getting used to as people realize that the prices will not get any lower then the minimum.  I was talking to somone and they said they wanted a fire or 2 handed sword for only 98 gold!!!!  I told him he could get it for 98 gold, 52 ore and 50 coal but he said that would take forever.  Then I told him about the normal swords and he thought they were not with it (price 98 gold and 2 ore).  Oh well, I will make money soon.  


By the way I offered the fire sword for 250 gold at first.  

[Liones]

count me in also

[Damien]

I have added the potion ingredients.

[Dunja]

Every SMACC member, defined above, has the right to set a punishment on people who sell far under the set prices, and ruin the market for fellow merchants that way.

punishment = Legalised killing of people for selling things too cheap?
Or how do I have to understand this? This could easily be abused by PKs.

Just my thougts...
Dunja

[Ishans Schatten]

I wanna know what you mean with punishment too.

Do you think i kill someone only because he sell his stuff cheaper than I?
I kill no one for money and i kill nobody only  because the smac said to punished them.
Do you think a life is so less worth?

When you want to punish this people try something like a sale stop.
With sell stop i mean that no member of the smac sell/ buy stuff to/from this guys.

[Peggy Komoshio]

By the way, empty bottle should be 3 gold coins, same goes with anything else that can be bought through the shop.   Otherwise people will just buy from the shop keeper at the same price instead of merchants.  I was going through the price list and just noticed that now...

[Peggy Komoshio]

Quote: from Ishans Schatten on 4:29 pm on Mar. 12, 2002
Do you think i kill someone only because he sell his stuff cheaper than I?

Fines are mentioned.  I believe that's recently added as the part about that wasn't mentioned yesterday.  Its been added to the post on the top now.

[Dyluck]

I think the minimum price for wind potion should only be 15 gold instead of 20 gold, since the networth of the required ingredients add up to the same amount as a strong healing potion which is 15 gold, AND it even requires an additional component of arrows before it can be made use of.

[Wolle]

Count me in.

[Guklok]

Mee Tu, grmbl ,dun't fergat mee... grrmmll urmm yeerrg....

[Damien]

@Dyluck : Of course. But its the only potion that includes both ingredients that are far away and ingredients that are rarer to find. In addition, it can be quite bad if it comes into wrong hands. So the price is well calculated.

[Erdrick]

You know me, I'm all for this. And as for potions, my prices haven't had any problems... only people who have little knowlege of the matter (wanting them 2 gp apeice)
Heres my prices:
Mana: 8 gold (CHANGING to 9 gold due to certain events)
Healing: 7 gold (May take place of Mana price, 8 gold)
Poison: 9 gold, raised by 2 due to new use. (Dangerous too)
Food: 6, maybe turn to 7 but they can be replaced by mere apples.
Wind: 11, went up by 1 gold due to SMACC.
Strong Healing: 15 may go to 18, since SMACC and current events.

Other things we sell:
Oil Lamps: 50 gold, they are semi-rare and easy to buy. (5 for a silver...)
Magic Wands: 125 gold, very good tool. (2 for a silver!)
Cun and Pen books of Magic: 50, same as NPC Shop.
Any other things sold by SilverStar will first go to SMACC, and then to our set price if it absolutely needs to be changed.
Thanks to all abiding by SilverStar and SMACC rules.
Yours truly,
Erdrick

[Roke]

Kind of  not SMACC related but what is the new use for the yellow potion?

[Unknown]

Count me in.... I char's name is Grok Ironhammer, he is a master blacksmith....

[Dyluck]

I haven't seen wind potions sell for a higher price than strong healing potions ever before, and I doubt that wind potions will get much business at this price, but I'm not the one who's going to be affected by this.

And yes, the minimum price for items that can be bought at the shop needs to be LOWER than the shop's price, or else customers will just buy them from the shop.

[Peggy Komoshio]

@Roke: New yellow potion usage => poison.   figure out how to use yourself or ask me when you see me.  much too dangerous to let newcomers see the usage of it...

@DY: I was talking to him eariler today, he told me that the price of shop is going to be changed accordinly in a bit.

@Erdrick: We'd have to raise the Silver Star's price to match accordinly to the SMACC, otherwise we'd be violators ourselfs.

[Erdrick]

I'm starting to transfer all prices to a little pocket-notebook I have, so I can easily open it and help people a LOT quicker. And, as I have said, the prices are changing, due to not only SMACC but also current events.
So, be patient, and you will see SilverStar become much better.

[Damien]

@Erdrick : You oversaw several prices, so you still have prices lower than SMACC standards. You must correct that immediately. Every sale for lower price can be punished by SMACC.

Food Potion: 6  G SMACC standard :10 !
reasons : more effective than apples (try out when very hungry and compare)
AND : List of ingredients : Red Hat (3G) Strawberry(0,5G) Bottle (4G) total: 8,5 TOTAL MIN
Shop Price : 12 G

Mana Potion: 9  G SMACC standard :10 !!
You may sell for 10% under SMACC price, but that is a haggling span. Your list price must AT LEAST be as high as the SMACC standard. Shop Price : 12 G

Wind Potion : 11 G SMACC standard :20 !!!
reasons : possible misuse by snipers. far-away- and rare ingredients. Causes 10x high Damage projectiles, effect = higher than strong healing potion AND more dangerous. Not available at shop because of misuse possibility !

Magic Wands : 125 G SMACC standard :180  !!!!
reason : Masterwork item

You are selling 4 items (far) below SMACC prices ! Adjust your prices, please.

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SMACC prices have been discussed before, and brought together from various discussions (potion prices, several different topics. SMACC pricelist discussion before.) These SMACC prices are SET, and have been accepted by the shopkeeper ( He sells for prices higher than SMACC standards ).

Poison (beer) : Cheap ingredients. But due to the dangerous possibility, agreed and risen to 8 G SMACC. Main use : Hard tavern Drink, without use against Monsters, agressive use does not work every time. Not available at shop.


(Edited by Damien at 4:10 pm on Mar. 13, 2002)


(Edited by Damien at 4:14 pm on Mar. 13, 2002)

[Askarion]

Count me in!