Gold price

Laendir · Post by **Laendir** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:37 pm

How you know, some days ago the price for gold nuggets has fallen. From 25 commers it was lowered to 15 coppers for 1 nugget. I want to tell that selling gold nuggets now is not favourably and there is no sense. Now I shall explain why it can be not favourable also for goldsmitters, how it it could reflect to their trade and how to decide this problem.
1. In comparison with iron ore gold nuggets are too heavy. It is better to obtain for some hours a lot of iron ore, got from it 150 iron ingots and to sell for 750 coins or about. Cuz it's better then obtain 50 gold nuggets for some days and to sell for the same sum of money. There is no sense to obtain and to sell gold. It is better to obtain more iron and sell it.
2. If the price for gold nuggets will not rise, it's better not to sell but got from it gold ingots and made jevels by ourself which could be sold. The gold ring of high quality costs about 200 coppers. It is better to make such ring itself and to sell it, than simply to sell gold nuggets for the small price.
3. Those who now sells gold jevels, tells that there are no many customers, who wants to buy it. If we'll stop to sell them gold nuggets and starts to produce jevels, they will suffer even more losses. The competition will rise and they will sell less of goods, but we, who has sold them gold nuggets, could earn more money on sale of gold jevels, but old sellers will lose their profit.
4. I know, that 25 coppers for 1 gold nugget is a high price. But 15 coppers for 1 nugget it is not enough. So, dear goldsmitters if you don't want that the problem would take the place, I offer to increase the price up to 20 coppers for 1 nugget. It should be favourable price for those who buys and those who sells. Then the competition will not increase, and all dealers will be pleased. But, if the price will not increase, I shall become goldsmither and I'll buy and sell gold for such price, which will be favourable for them who sells gold nuggets and buys gold jevels. Then the buyers comes to me, instead of to you and you will not receive profits. Looking at that, many people will do the same like me and the business of old goldsmitters will be crushed.
I think 20 coppers for 1 gold nugget will be enough to all sides buyers and sellers.
Sorry for my english.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:47 pm

First, that is an ingame matter, and should be handled and palyed out by you ingame, and not ooc at the board. and its even the wrong area, try next time the proposal board.

Goldsmiths have no possibility to earn money. noone buys rings. Every time I get sentences like "and what do they bring? any defense?" too many peoples lack roleplay abilitys to accept rings as something normal. they just have interest in things that raise their defense.

A goldsmith can't afford 25 coppercoins for a nugget. Not at the beginning. Not until he is able toe arn enough money. The only goldsmith who could perhaps afford are the ones who mine ironore too and sells that.

So think twice before posting. You can earn money with ironore, nuggets are just a sideeffect for you, a earning beside the money you get for ironore. for goldsmith nuggets are the most important things, without possibility to earn money with their craft.

oh, and just for the end

3. Those who now sells gold jevels, tells that there are no many customers, who wants to buy it. If we'll stop to sell them gold nuggets and starts to produce jevels, they will suffer even more losses. The competition will rise and they will sell less of goods, but we, who has sold them gold nuggets, could earn more money on sale of gold jevels, but old sellers will lose their profit.

if you do that you proof very bad rp of your own. starting to goldsmith the nuggets without being a goldsmith just because the goldsmiths don'T seem to pay enough for them is bad rp. and you show great lack of rp abilitys, better try to think twice next time and try to make it better.

That is soemthing is ee often these days. characters who are doing everything else without proper rp just because their palyers want it. doing every craft or crafts which don't fit to their characters just because they can earn money with it. that is not roleplay, its ooc calculating of the players, and so bad rp.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:51 pm

*cough* 20 coins

Laendir · Post by **Laendir** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:53 pm

Galim, it's you should to think before posting that. I'm telling about 20 coppers for 1 gold nugget. I agree that 25 is a wery high price. But 15 is too low. If jevels gives nothing the the price should be lower or higher for buying the nuggets. If not, your losses of profits will rise.
May be this topic is not in that forum where should be. But I didn't knew where to post it.

Laendir · Post by **Laendir** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:56 pm

That is soemthing is ee often these days. characters who are doing everything else without proper rp just because their palyers want it. doing every craft or crafts which don't fit to their characters just because they can earn money with it. that is not roleplay, its ooc calculating of the players, and so bad rp

To make a competition in the game to got a low price of a product it's simulating real life. So, it's the best RP what could be.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:58 pm

The better the goldsmiths get, the more they will end up paying for nuggets. Most labor skill people like miners, lumberjacks, and fisherman are not exactly what you would call the rich class of society. Also they are not educated economists either.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:01 pm

There will be the possibility to sell gold items at fair prices soon. We are aware of the unstable econonmy.

Laendir · Post by **Laendir** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:01 pm

Most labor skill people like miners, lumberjacks, and fisherman are not exactly what you would call the rich class of society

If you'll try to earn money that way, you could achive your target. It's depending on the time what you spent in the game.

Laendir · Post by **Laendir** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:03 pm

There will be the possibility to sell gold items at fair prices soon. We are aware of the unstable econonmy

Thanks, I hope so.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:03 pm

We have an edit button.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:05 pm

The prize for any product is set by the ingame market. This entire thread is senseless. If you have a problem with the current gold prize, then think about why it would be the way it is, and if you find a way the economy system as it is technically implemented can be improved then post it on the proper board.

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:13 pm

Gro'bul wrote:The better the goldsmiths get, the more they will end up paying for nuggets. Most labor skill people like miners, lumberjacks, and fisherman are not exactly what you would call the rich class of society. Also they are not educated economists either.

turonga made atleast 3500 coins off of me just selling ore

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:38 pm

Yes, miners earn alot of money with selling ironore. and good miners have very fast 20-30 ironore in their bag.that is alot of money for just one walk.

And that with so low prices for other goods <_<

Laendir · Post by **Laendir** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:34 pm

miners earn alot of money with selling ironore

Sure, obtaining and selling an iron, we could get more money. But obtaining gold is wery difficult. That's the difference betveen iron ore and gold nuggets. But you low the price of gold nuggets and increase the price of jevels when selling it to others.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:37 pm

with galim i am able to get 5-6 nuggets every time i visit the mine. often i have 3 nuggets with one hit. nuggets are NOT very seldom.

some characters sell 200 or more from them.

Laendir · Post by **Laendir** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:05 pm

How many iron do you get? It's more then gold nuggets.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:10 pm

yes, thats because iron just cost 3 coppercoins and nuggets 15.

usually i have 4-5 nuggets and 15 ironore in my bag when i come from the mine. now use your brain and count.

Laendir · Post by **Laendir** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:18 pm

It's you should to count. I'd better obtain many iron for some hours and sell than obtain gold for many hours or days and then sell it for the same price.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:34 pm

Gratulation, you just proof your incredible lack of good rp

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:57 pm

That has nothing to do with lack of good RP Galim. That line, you just posted, was utter bullshit.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:04 pm

What Laendir just wrote didn't make any sense as well.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:45 pm

Sorry misjbar, but he just said that he prefers to collect iron and sell it than gold because from his view of a plaer he can earn more money with the iron. he don't think of any roleplay that gold is something special. he just sees that he can sell iron better than goldnuggets. and he don't use any thouhgt for the roleplay. just for the benefits.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:50 pm

So, it's bad roleplay for a CHARACTER to want more money too? Hmm, maybe you shouldn't be smithing at all, Galim. It makes more money.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:57 pm

You udnerstood it wrong Donal. Please think next time more.

I never said that it is bad roleplay when the character wants to earn more money. but his character also sees that gold is something special. more special than ironore. but his player just says he wouldn't collect gold because he want more space for iron. do you think thats good roleplay?

by the side. with 10 strength you can carry 3 nuggets and beneath 15 ironore. or you can carry beneath 25 ironore without any nugget. the coppercoins you get for selling 15 ironore and 3 nuggets would be 90 coins. the coins you get for 25 ironore would be 75 copper. So you see you earn more money with collectin nuggets and sell them than collecting and sell just iron.

the palyer just complains because he earns now less money tzhan before, without thinking just one minute about the ingame situation or the roleplay.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:59 pm

It's not bad roleplay that the character doesn't think that getting gold is as good as getting iron ore. That could be put down to character stupidity.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:01 pm

Adano Eles wrote:The prize for any product is set by the ingame market. This entire thread is senseless. If you have a problem with the current gold prize, then think about why it would be the way it is, and if you find a way the economy system as it is technically implemented can be improved then post it on the proper board.

What reason does this discussion serve anyway?

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:44 pm

Oh please ban me for this, but it serves the discussion that Galim tends to whine on every single thing lately. Not meant offendingly, just as constructive critisism. Directed at everyone: Think where, how, and about what you post. Would make the whole world that tiny bit better.

Moral of the story: A better board begins with yourself.

Laendir · Post by **Laendir** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:00 pm

Galim, find a new theme? If you are talking about how much I could earn after selling only iron or iron and gold, you didn't count weight of gold nugget. Selling iron ore which weight is the same as 1 gold nugget we will got the same money or may be more then selling 1 gold nugget. It's mean that you think that gold price is the similar as iron ore (if we count a weight). And you told me that I don't know what is RP ? It's you don't know what is it if you don't know the difference between iron and gold. Do you know that gold is more expensive than iron?

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:04 pm

Mistake... please Delete this post as i cant...

Sorry about that...

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:07 pm

Laendir, it is not me who can't stop this discussion. the first thing i weote in this thread was it that this is something for ingame, not for ooc.

the coppercoins you get for selling 15 ironore and 3 nuggets would be 90 coins.

Hadrian: I told you before, many times before, read first, and use your brain, dam it. If you would have done you would know that that was the price for 3 nuggets AND 15 iron ore. Really, I won't discuss anyhting else anymore with you, it is useless. learn to use your brain and learn to read before you write.