Pushing Speed

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:51 pm

1) Well, the character deserves it for having a crappy sword

2) Fighting is usually fast, with lots of shoving and trying to get the upper hand. You forget that sometimes a simple trip or a shove will make your enemy helpess.

3) Not slashing swords, buddy. Notice how the edged weapons skill increases when using swords? Yeah, this is because the sword in Illarion are heavier slashing swords.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:54 pm

1) +3) A sword isn't that thin. And it is made of solid steel. A sword can withstand a lot more then you might think. Sure, I wouldn't try this with a rapier or some other kind of light duelling weapon, but a good sword, or even a broadsword doesn't break that easily.

2) Of course you will have to wait for the right moment. A weapon or shield has some weight, and hence it will need a second or two for someone to get into position after you deflect his blow. If he's wearing heavy armor then it's even worse.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:57 pm

(physics lesson)... pressure = Force / S. Area... therefore a sword twice as thin, will cut twice as fast... i'm talking about the thickness of the blade itself... a broadsword has the same thinkness....

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:00 pm

I've had enough physics lessons in university.
Enough to know how sturdy a well made sword is.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:02 pm

Hadrian, you know nothing of swords, or weapons in general. You know even less than I. Please stop trying to justify your idea with the same reduntant arguements.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:12 pm

Please do not start arguments in this section...

Why do you think swords break???

And how would you know that i know nothing of swords or weapons in general?

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:06 pm

Because you just stated that all swords are weak and will snap. They will not. The only reason weapons break so easily is because of bad craftsmanship, and the desire by the GMs to make people replace their equipment often.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:09 pm

I own a real 3.5ft Long Sword, and I just measured the flat of the blade, and it is an inch and a half thick, that metal is not going to be bent or broken easily by being pushed into someone.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:13 pm

But does the sword itself cut??? i had a few swords, but they are all quite thick and none of them cut anything... not even if you rub against them....

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:14 pm

Thats because you need to sharpen them.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:16 pm

Decorative swords are not only not sharpened, they often even have rounded blades to avoid cutting.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:17 pm

When you sharpen the sword, you are making the edge thinner, and that makes it more sharp... in general, a sharper edge will break faster

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:18 pm

You only make part of it thinner, yes swords break, but they will not break because you pushed someone with the flat edge.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:19 pm

The edge is sharpened. But that does not make the entire blade break more easily.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:27 pm

When the edge is sharpened, generally only the edge is damaged, resulting in the need to sharpen it again.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:03 pm

Adano Eles wrote: You can push somebody by pressing the broad side of the sword at his body and pressing your hand against the other end of the blade.:

So that means y'll need a free hand... back to square one

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:28 pm

Shoulder barge

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:31 pm

Possibly.. but dont expect to come off it still un-injured...

Idea:: skeletons should break to shreds when pushed

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:33 pm

Knee in the groin, swift kick in the shins, spin-on-a-heel-and-slam-with-an-elbow, yaddi, yadda.

Let's just agree on something. It's possible to "push" people if you have something in your hands: Think of someone running into you and trying to ram a wooden log into your belly. If you don't dodge that, you will be "pushed".

Can we also agree that it should be:
a) easily possible to push yourself (against the bug)
b) possible to push others depending on game stats
c) impossible to perform impossible feats with pushing?

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:39 pm

So .: you can push people when you simply attack with a pole.... good idea.. [hope i didn't mis-understand]

A) push yrself... i tried but couldn't... dont worry,,, push yrself has led to abuse though, acessing areas blocked by tables on purpose

B) Hope it will be implemented

C) It would be connected to B... however insects are light, and i wouldn't think i'd push them....

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:42 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote:So .: you can push people when you simply attack with a pole.... good idea.. [hope i didn't mis-understand]

A) push yrself... i tried but couldn't... dont worry,,, push yrself has led to abuse though, acessing areas blocked by tables on purpose

B) Hope it will be implemented

C) It would be connected to B... however insects are light, and i wouldn't think i'd push them....

Correct. A row of soldiers wielding halberds of even only staves could easily control the walls of a rioting crowd. Even a row wielding swords would work, because hell, only few people want to plunge themselves into a sword.

a) I always considered the "pushing yourself" to be "jumping" (I used it more than actual pushing, and not just in combat), it was slow for everybody, but everybody could do it. As for areas not meant to be accessible, that's for the map design, not for the ergonomy dept.
b) me too
c) right, I agree, pushing a horde of flies is silly. Or pushing a towering hulk of an ogre, or pushing, fate forbid, a demon. Generally speaking, maybe pushing monsters altogether is worth removing; monsters are gross. I have trouble imagining people without the proper Willpower would even dare or survive trying, except maybe with a skeleton.