Killing an RP animal/person

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 11:49 am

Win over = control, win favor from, etc.

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Fri May 06, 2005 2:07 pm

Ziel Oden wrote: I suppose you know who my first account is aswell? (dont say it outloud)

Is there anyone who doesnt know?...

Maybe people like Ira because....though she can be bad tempered, etc. she isnt like it all the time or with everyone.
Plus when most people realise someone is in a bad mood or plain doesnt like them....they stay well out of the way or at the very least tread very carefully. You DO NOT provoke them or keep getting in their way...unless you want a fat lip.
If you are on thin ice...dont hop.
If you are in a deep hole....stop digging.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:29 pm

Oh great. Im creating a new account.

I hate my past, and will do everything in my power to delete it. It is obsolete.

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Fri May 06, 2005 3:25 pm

Ziel Oden wrote:Oh great. Im creating a new account.

This is up to you...but will be pointless if you keep doing/giving away things..like this.....

I suppose you know who my first account is aswell? (dont say it outloud)

If I have time I will PM you some hints and suggestions. If you would like.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Fri May 06, 2005 3:45 pm

Ziel Oden wrote:ok.
read the topic.
'KILLING OF RP ANIMALS/PEOPLE'
I asked you what are your thought on the murder of the RP things.

Example (sorry dominik):
Some one manages to steal Dominik's dagger
He wants money
Dominik refused
The man throws the dagger into a furnace, in which it is destroyed.

Sounds reasonable to me. Illarion would suck if you had to ask, everytime, if you could do anything bad to a character. It leaves no room for surprise.

Edit: I've done the "#me tries" stuff plenty of times, and 95% of the time it ends up with me on the ass end of an ass kicking rather than the other way around as I've intended (after all, I usually take the initiative).

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 4:09 pm

It's not that you can't do anything bad. But anything that would cause a character to acutally die or ruin an rp that they have worked realy hard for.

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Fri May 06, 2005 4:23 pm

Irania wrote:It's not that you can't do anything bad. But anything that would cause a character to acutally die or ruin an rp that they have worked realy hard for.

How about beating up someone rapidly with a club, without giving him a chance to actualy defend himself properly then stab him below his knee, leave him unconcious on the floor, set fire around him, put him into a barell and let the barell spin into the fire again.

Cause that's exactly what happened to my character today.

Ziel, you seem to like forced roleplay and you also seem to have some issues with violence I don't want to argue about here.

Mimblethorp · Post by **Mimblethorp** » Fri May 06, 2005 4:27 pm

And the main issue is FORCED RP which is actually a contradiction in terms. After all, if you decide on your own that you are going to try forcing an RP situation on someone that they don't want to participate in, they can just ignore it. However, I've found if you work it out with the person, they are usually willing to find a happy medium and RP it with you.

I.E... You may not be allowed to kill Donals rat, but possibly while they were sleeping you kidnapped it and then there's this whole hostage/ransom situation to work out that could be alot of fun for all involved. But if you just walk up and say "#me shoots an arrow through Donals rat, piercing it from open mouth to wide open...well, you get the idea." He's not going to appreciate it and claim your a jerk and walk off, ignoring your statement completely.

Throgar Silverbeard · Post by **Throgar Silverbeard** » Fri May 06, 2005 4:34 pm

Faladron wrote:Ziel, you seem to like forced roleplay and you also seem to have some issues with violence I don't want to argue about here.

Sorry you had a bad experience with Ziel, mine actually went pretty well (If as a certain elf says, you are the one that mugged me). He lured me out into the woods and asked me to hold still. Granted, I shouldn't have cooperated at this point but I decided to. Then he knocked me out and I gave him my loot. He didn't force it, came along rather naturally. And after he ran off.

Ziel, that's how it needs to work with your mugging and such. Make sure the person is going to RP the situation with you before jumping into it, otherwise it will just be frustrating and make you look bad.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Fri May 06, 2005 4:46 pm

Irania wrote:It's not that you can't do anything bad. But anything that would cause a character to acutally die or ruin an rp that they have worked realy hard for.

The first thing, yes. The second is largely ignored. Even big events have the tide turned when somebody isn't satisfied with something and draws his sword.

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 4:50 pm

True but Irania has a little squirrlie and if someone were to just rp that they shot it with an arrow that would be really bad because it is basically...just another character for me and killing him off without my permission would be wrong. Just like with "Donals'd" rat, Rat or Dominik's dagger. It is not right to screw someone over like that.

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Fri May 06, 2005 4:51 pm

Well I admit I played with it, but if you get messages like " hits the human with a club and starts to growl" what other logical response would there be other than hold your head and cry "ouch",
which gives the other one already time to launch a new assault leaving you helpless and in the situation that the only thing you can do in this RP is to reply to the plot set by the attacker.

I didn't felt it would be right to just walk off and ignore him in that situation, but believe me I didn't enjoy myself while playing along.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Fri May 06, 2005 5:28 pm

Faladron wrote:what other logical response would there be other than hold your head and cry "ouch

#me dodges the club, #me 's helmet deflects most of the blow, #me ducks, ...ect. Forced rp is exactly that, forced rp. "#me kills you." is simply not acceptable. Ignore, or act like he said "try". In some situations its obvious the other player will let you "do things" to his character. Such as when Zeil (I think that was him) was choking on a strawberry I used a few "#me turns him over" or whatever, obviously in aid to his character. Such instances are usually pretty obvious.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Fri May 06, 2005 5:31 pm

But then the robber/thug would complain OOC about so-and-so not participating in a real robbery and not being realistic because they can't possibly see whats coming from behind. He already pressed that button.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Fri May 06, 2005 5:35 pm

Quinasa wrote:But then the robber/thug would complain OOC about so-and-so not participating in a real robbery and not being realistic because they can't possibly see whats coming from behind. He already pressed that button.

I see your point, and you have to make a fair judgement based on many factors. How perceptive and agile your character is, is he wearing a helmet, is he facing the theif, is he being distracted, ect.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Fri May 06, 2005 5:39 pm

Grobby, I totally understand what yer saying, but when something doesn't go the way someone wants it too... (situation above) he/she becomes a whiney baby and cries and posts posts like this one to get everyone's attention and try and get it fixed. It's a lose-lose situation when you get a babybratt RPing with you. Sorry fact is that IG is just like reality in that not everything goes yer way and sometimes you just gotta deal.

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Fri May 06, 2005 5:47 pm

Bloodhearte wrote:
Irania wrote:It's not that you can't do anything bad. But anything that would cause a character to acutally die or ruin an rp that they have worked realy hard for.
The first thing, yes. The second is largely ignored. Even big events have the tide turned when somebody isn't satisfied with something and draws his sword.

Yeah, as another little anecdote, I remember a scene where a character of Bloodhearte's tried to mug Sian, some time not too long before the wipe. He played it very smoothly. The character had observed the other for the longest time, and then in the middle of town, he put a knife to Sian's neck in the middle of all other commotion going around; effectively only about 3 other people of 7 who were around actually noticed it. He said to pass over anything of any value, weapons, armor, etc. His bad luck was that Sian possessed nothing else than what he was wearing, an old breastplate, some daggers, and the ol' halberd "Mercy" (a simple item however which alot of RP was revolving around).
I then whispered in a quick OOC bubble ((you think he could elbow him or kick him in the groin with 16 dex and 16 agi?)). Blood replied in another ((well, with those stats in this situation, yes

)).
So I carried it out. I used something like a #me elbows the man in the gut and rips the hand away from his neck, rolling away from him over the ground into standing again, and dropping the halberd. I dropped the halberd for him to take and his character grabbed it, running off. Sian chased after him with a #me describing how he drew a silver dagger, and ran after him. A final cornerfight by the library, and Blood's character was dead. In fact he died quicker than I had assumed. I was hoping for an extended fight and such, but it went way too fast and Blood's char was a cloud. Some bystanders quickly looted his gear and I reclaimed the halberd while the cloud floated away in the direction of cross. I had them hand me back his items, and Sian visited him by the cross, handing him the items and a healing potion; telling him that he in turn was once just like him. It was alright, but I felt sorry it had ended that way, because he had RPed it so well and my RP in retrospective seemed so shallow.

In fact, looking back, I've pondered this. It would have been better to RP letting him get away with the halberd. We could have had a short series of games just revolving around that weapon. The RP would have been richer, and more interesting. But the situation was such a surprise, it boiled down to most basic reactions as in "the weapon the man stole is too important for the character, as such he will chase him relentlessly", some of them even unlogical (i.e., running after someone practically unarmored while wearing a breastplate).

That's the single only reason why I say sometimes a little preparation can sometimes help the RP. If I the player know of something in advance, I am more solid in my RP because I have some moments to think through the limitations of the client before I carry out my RP. Granted, some players are different in handling information they know only OOC.

Kamik Windslasher ~ · Post by **Kamik Windslasher ~** » Fri May 06, 2005 8:14 pm

Ziel Oden wrote:ok.
read the topic.
'KILLING OF RP ANIMALS/PEOPLE'
I asked you what are your thought on the murder of the RP things.

Example (sorry dominik):
Some one manages to steal Dominik's dagger
He wants money
Dominik refused
The man throws the dagger into a furnace, in which it is destroyed.

"Sorry. The dagger of my father is with me now and, for what it seems, it can't be destroyed. But you can try to steal it from me. I must advise you that, first, it would be a good idea to locate the dagger's mouth and close it, because it doesn't like to be robbed".

Well. Killing RP things is possible. Some persons already tried to destroy the dagger, but that is impossible (I had to made it this way so that there weren't many tries) but stealing it, as it already happened, is possible. Everything is possible as long as you TRY.
#me tries to sneak behind Kamik and pulls slowly the dagger from his belt
And so on. There are many possibilities. And, personally, I don't think you need you to ask to do such things. As stated here before, the surprise is much better. For example, you see Donal RPing that the rat is in his shoulder, ok, now you know he is with the rat and has a lot of possibilities to try. But, who would want to steal/ kill a rat? Anyway... I guess the question was if it is possible to "kill rp animal/ person". The answer? Yes, if you have a motive. This is a ROLE PLAYING Game, you can interact, you know?

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Fri May 06, 2005 10:36 pm

Why would you want to kill Donald's lol, I know it's Donal rat? If the rat attacked you then I guess so. If you couldnt kill it and they used it to attack your char then it would be just as bad (if not worse) as killing it to begin with. If you get whan I'm on at here..

No More Lies - Iron Maiden

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Fri May 06, 2005 11:08 pm

Simple, Donal's Rat= Dinner

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Fri May 06, 2005 11:32 pm

Sian,

That one event went fine, don't sweat it. It was my character who chose to come after you already knowing full well that Sian was a fighter (who carried a weighty halberd no less). It was handled much better than the muggings/assassinations my Xerake guy used to carry out back in the day (and he was able to kill demons alone

)

At the time of the mugging, Kaine Lytecus was the only character I trained in combat with. Delanroth (the mugger) was just your average-street-life slob. If I wanted to really "win" with him, I wouldn't have done it in the first place - I just thought it would be something to liven things up a bit.

Now, if I had a character who was trying to pickpocket somebody, and some other guy who claims to be "neutral" calls out my character's real name (which I never tell with thieves), chases him down and kills him, takes his stuff, and tries to get him thrown into the prison after following me to the cross...that would've been much different.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Fri May 06, 2005 11:41 pm

Bloodhearte wrote: (and he was able to kill demons alone )

lol, Hermie could do that too, way back in the day. Illarion has come along way, as with my concept of roleplaying. One reason I felt it was time for Hermie to bite the biscuit.

Anywho, If someone can make something, someone else should be able to take it away, otherwise everyone would be living in little safe bubbles and wouldnt be able to touch anyone else.

If only people could play fair though...

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Fri May 06, 2005 11:48 pm

I did not feel like sifting through six pages. Here is my view with the original topic.

You do not need to ask OOC, but it would make the rp better. If you DO it without warning ooc, warn him ig.

First search for the rat, once she/he establish its position, then you make your kill, but do it slowly. Always give the other player a choice and don't assume anything.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Sat May 07, 2005 12:13 am

Hermie wrote:
Bloodhearte wrote: (and he was able to kill demons alone )
lol, Hermie could do that too, way back in the day. Illarion has come along way, as with my concept of roleplaying. One reason I felt it was time for Hermie to bite the biscuit.

You know what the worst part was? Hermie could beat Xerake up.

Anywho, If someone can make something, someone else should be able to take it away, otherwise everyone would be living in little safe bubbles and wouldnt be able to touch anyone else.

If only people could play fair though...

It's kind of a hard thing to decide what's fair and what's too imposing. I think relying on skills to affect large events is too imposing, while relying on skills to affect events that only involve a few people is fine.

But we don't have this problem too often thanks to the character wipe.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Sat May 07, 2005 1:55 am

First off since Ziel is now dead i'll admit:
Yes i was choking on the strawberry
Yes i was the one who mugged the dwarf (thank you for the compliment

)
Yes i was the one who beat up the Faladroth or whatever.

But fal said this:
"Giving me no time to react"
#me jumps onto his face

Fal says: Err.. HEY get off!
he could of:
Fal grabs the halflings shirt and throws him to the ground and steps on his chest so he may not move.

^^^
Im perfectly ok with that and it sure as hell beats complaining about how i didnt let you react.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Sat May 07, 2005 3:53 am

My only advice is to be descriptive as possible when using #me's.

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Sat May 07, 2005 11:47 am

Ziel Oden wrote:
Im perfectly ok with that and it sure as hell beats complaining about how i didnt let you react.

If we want to fight with logs now, alright.

Someone (1477072906) jumps up, and bashes the human in the head with a concussion blow.
Someone (1477072906) sees if he has knocked out the human fully or not.
Faladron Furnir cries out in pain reaching behind and smashing the halfling to the floor.
Faladron Furnir pulls a dagger out of his belt and puts it at the halflings throat.

Your reaction in a situation every move would've been deadly for you:

Someone (1477072906) does a spins around on the floor and hits the humans knee caps. <- right while having a dagger sticked to your throat.

I want to drop the whole issue now, the thief is dead, Faladron is recovering from the injuries, everyone's happy now.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Sat May 07, 2005 5:48 pm

Someone (1477072906) does a spins around on the floor and hits the humans knee caps. <- right while having a dagger sticked to your throat.

Did you mention that is takes a time to type something up depending on your speed. If there is an RP fight it should be extremely descriptive and enough time for responses.