Killing an RP animal/person

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:05 am

I was thinking of the topic of 'robbery' on Illar. Then i read the post, once more, 'i need a home' (sorry if that isnt the exact name), then i wondered what people think about killing of an Rp existant.

Three things come to mind:
Donal's Rat
Gwyns (i think) kid
Dominik's talking dagger

The kid would be a horrific version of the RP exstant killing but it is still a thing under that catagory.

So basicly, what do you think about it?
Is it wrong? Is it bad RP? Is it good RP? Whatever you can think i want to hear.

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:06 am

That doesn't make sense.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:10 am

I put it in as simple broken down terms as i could.

There are people in the game that RP things.
Donal RPs a rat upon his shoulder
Dominik RPs a talking dagger
Gwyn RPs a baby.

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:11 am

So you want us to judge the RP of others????

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:13 am

Why would it not be possible? Three things I have RPed that are not really there in terms of technicalities:

A cat (Ubeft).
A ring with the druids emblem on it.
A puppy.

As long as no one has a problem with it, and does not give you OMGL0z0rz I P\/\/Nj00 powers, then I think it is alright.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:13 am

ok.
read the topic.
'KILLING OF RP ANIMALS/PEOPLE'
I asked you what are your thought on the murder of the RP things.

Example (sorry dominik):
Some one manages to steal Dominik's dagger
He wants money
Dominik refused
The man throws the dagger into a furnace, in which it is destroyed.

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:14 am

It's forced RP. No one likes that.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:16 am

The thing you want to kill/destroy is owned by the person RPing it. I would never take the life of someone else's baby... I took my own. If yer going to do that you need to ask permission. If you don't, that's forced RP and while not all forced RP is bad a lot of it is frowned upon.

In other words... when Irania is ready to die I'm sure you'll be first in line to do it.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:17 am

How is it forced tho?

#me sneaks up behind Donald
#me reaches very slowly to his rat
(at this point Donal has an option to let this continue or make his rat run away or start to squeak)
#me grabs the rat
Hey donald... Look what have..

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:19 am

Quinasa wrote:The thing you want to kill/destroy is owned by the person RPing it. I would never take the life of someone else's baby... I took my own. If yer going to do that you need to ask permission. If you don't, that's forced RP and while not all forced RP is bad a lot of it is frowned upon.

In other words... when Irania is ready to die I'm sure you'll be first in line to do it.

your a very smart girl.
I suppose you know who my first account is aswell? (dont say it outloud)

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:19 am

It is HIS rat. How about I walk up to your character and chop off his hands. You would not like that because it does not go along with what you had in store for your character. It's not fair to do that to someone elses RP.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:20 am

Ziel Oden wrote:Hey donald...

omg lol
and go alli

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:22 am

If you read then you would of noticed there was an oppertunity to RP back and stop the kidnap of the rat. If you were to walk up to me with an axe im sure id reflex and run away, then sneak up on you agian and bash your skull with a club.

EDIT

Even tho i have tried a little bit Irania, id bet money you wouldent rp correctly to a mugging.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:23 am

The key word is "try", example: "Chickenpotpieman tries to take donald's rat." He can decide for whatever reason not to let you take it.

Pendar · Post by **Pendar** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:24 am

LOL,
TOWN LAW no 6
Killing of irania in any shape is slightly frowned upon and will not be permitted period.
---------------
Does this help to solve this difficult rp issue.
Seriously though any change of that nature you want to make some rps need to be agreed on. Much the same as if some one tried to cut your leggs off in game. You propably wouldnt appreciate the change to your character you didnt desire.
Much the same goes for killing rats,dagger or irania
Brian

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:25 am

Yes but if you hit someone hard enough in the head it can kill them. I don't want my character to be attacked to death. It is not what I have planned for her. I've worked REALLY hard to create her background and personality and I refuse to kill her off. How can you get out of a situation like that? "bashes her over the head with a club"???? "Irania, using the eyes in the back of her head, sees the halfling coming and dodges to the side." I don't think so.

EDIT!

Irania has BEEN mugged and I did a good job! She shit her mouth and everything. Don't even think about friggin judging the way I RP!

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:25 am

Give me a damn link to that town law.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:27 am

Irania wrote:Yes but if you hit someone hard enough in the head it can kill them. I don't want my character to be attacked to death. It is not what I have planned for her. I've worked REALLY hard to create her background and personality and I refuse to kill her off. How can you get out of a situation like that? "bashes her over the head with a club"???? "Irania, using the eyes in the back of her head, sees the halfling coming and dodges to the side." I don't think so.

Thats the point. Using lots of #me's and something called a brain you can basicly virtualy distroy all hope of living.

Besides, Irania, id never kill you. Id be perm banned from the game becuase you are so high up on the populatiry chart

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:28 am

Yes, you can. But why would you do that to someone elses RP?

ZING!

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:29 am

Irania wrote: Irania has BEEN mugged and I did a good job! She shit her mouth and everything. Don't even think about friggin judging the way I RP!

Ok, im sorry. But i must ask you, why is it Irania yells and attack everyone that ask you a simple question?

Ziel was blind from saltwater when i asked you for a discription of a Tub.

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:30 am

That is just it. She is mean. Everyone should know it by now. That is her personality. Get used to it.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:31 am

Ee. I wont go into detial....

ok.
I will.
Then how did you winover half the game, including every single town guard i know of?

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:32 am

She can't have a sweet side? And who did she win over? Hmm?

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:35 am

I know pendar would kill me if i stepped foot outside Trollsbane for hating Irania to a point so high as this.

And you have tuaght me one great thing Irania
Beauty is only skin deep.

Now nuff flaming, back on topic.

Pendar · Post by **Pendar** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:37 am

Irania is not mean, I think that is most unfair. Irania is merely a little careing challenged is all.

As to iranias ability to rp, I usually find it a truly taxing trait when people decide to evaluate other peoples role playing. Especially based on a minimal expierence.
Brian

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:38 am

Pendar wrote:Irania is not mean, I think that is most unfair. Irania is merely a little careing challenged is all.

I wuv you!

And since we're back on topic...You just have to leave room for others to change the situation.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:38 am

Ziel Oden wrote:Give me a damn link to that town law.

Town Law 6

EDIT: Such a foul mouth you have for a youngin.

Pendar · Post by **Pendar** » Fri May 06, 2005 6:41 am

Ziel seriousely,
Pendar takes a lady honor very seriously. I have stood next to you out side of town how many times lately?...you are not sent to the cross. You know why mostly because i dont pk. More over i actually take my rp seriously in as much I play pendars part as well as I am able, giving concideration to every action and how it reflects on my character and his reaction and progression.
Not how I Brian feel, not how ammuseing sending you to the cross may or may not be. Certainly above all not to what ever you may or may not say on the general message board.
Pendar has never read the forums...

Brian

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Fri May 06, 2005 8:14 am

Someone tries to grab the rat
Donal has a high perception score
The rat doesn't like being picked up by people who aren't Donal
So, the thief would have to be very good indeed to sneak up on Donal AND his rat, and grab a rat that would be wriggling and trying to bite the thief.

End result
Thief gets a rat biting his finger, spreading blood everywhere. The rat gets away, the thiefs' wound is infected, and the thiefs' hand has to be amputated. Later, the thief kills himself out of depression, because he lost his hand.

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Fri May 06, 2005 8:22 am

And this, class, is why I say that discussing things OOC and off the game beforehand is sometimes better.

For completely spontaneous ("more thrilling", as some dare to say) RP:

Gro'bul wrote:The key word is "try", example: "Chickenpotpieman tries to take donald's rat." He can decide for whatever reason not to let you take it.

As usual, Gro said it all in a very short line. Props.

Furthermore, this holds alot of weight imo:

Pendar wrote:Seriously though any change of that nature you want to make some rps need to be agreed on. Much the same as if some one tried to cut your leggs off in game.

I heard there used to be times when rogues in this game were allowed to stand around and spy on others and people played along by not noticing the spies sneaking in, listening, and sneaking back off. Just a little anecdote to "agreements of RP".
I think before there is any discussion on the judging of anybody's RP (which I think is wrong, there shouldn't be judgment of people's RP in the first place), there should be previous evaluation of that wonderful thing called "agreement" as to what people are playing, before actually getting to the RP. Fact is, there is alot that can't be done within the boundaries of Illarion's client and that have to be played around. That's where agreements hold alot of importance. Pre-emptively, namely, because in retrospective you can't judge somebody's RP simply upon what they RP in the game.

Ziel Oden wrote:Then how did you winover half the game, including every single town guard i know of?

Somebody shoot me a bone and explain to me how you "win" in an RPG.
No, wait, that was not serious.
I'll make it simple:
You "win" in an RPG if everybody enjoyed themselves playing the game and having some fun together.
You "lose" if it sucked for everybody.
Now going along with the theme of "agreements" above, it should be becoming clear by now reading through my post as to what I'm getting at.

I think it was Dyluck who wrote (not even all too long ago) something to the extent of:
"Before you carry out whatever RP you carry out, you should consider the consequences of these actions and how they will be a fundament for roleplaying in the future."

Very wise words. And Donal's post relives such words in a refreshingly amusing way.

Other than that, this topic doesn't really make sense (at least if you think along the lines of what I wrote above), and for a bystanding outsider, it looks like someone or some people are just trying to vent their frustrations here because something did not go like they wanted it.

I guess at this point all I can do is conclude the post with what I began it with: OOC discussions about RP to come are not that bad sometimes.