To escape from the debate, a small poll

Kaledon Mordaine · Post by **Kaledon Mordaine** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:55 pm

So you're saying that what the players wish matters not? As far as I can see, at this point, it's not necessary for it to be a completely fresh start. You may prefer that, but not everyone does. At this point, I would think that what the players want would matter. Or should those that really don't want to have to start over just get screwed over because Hey! It's not That bad!?

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:56 pm

Please do not shove justification in our mouths.

Kaledon Mordaine · Post by **Kaledon Mordaine** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:57 pm

Err, if I may ask, who was that post aimed at, Cliu?

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:58 pm

Fooser's post.

Moyáve · Post by **Moyáve** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:58 pm

uhm...1.
How would you explain the second? Oh a big tidal wave swept away our skills and possessions?

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:10 pm

Moyáve wrote:uhm...1.
How would you explain the second? Oh a big tidal wave swept away our skills and possessions?

Yes, and Tanora was generous enough to prevent people from being swept away...just skills and possessions because she's vengeful, or something.

#1 would rock. A fresh start is something never seen on here.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:12 pm

Until it settles in again, then you all get bored, complain and leave, then wait for another wipe?

Gwynnether · Post by **Gwynnether** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:12 pm

My explanation:
http://217.160.140.46/community/forums/ ... 724#178724

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:14 pm

How would you explain the first?

A number of towns and buildings, including a number of castles, taverns and a fully functional shop on an island with no one living on it. What happened? Did the shop keepers just think one days "Lets build loads of stuff to confuse the hell out of people who come and live on this island which has never had anyone living on it before.

Domitrio · Post by **Domitrio** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:16 pm

I think we're all going to RP some really pissed people, after the second time something such as:

Domitrio: Galim! My good Dwarf. I hope that your path has been easily tred. Tell me, could I buy a new double-axe? It seems a tidal wave washed mine away! Rotten luck that...

Galim: Ah, Domitrio. No, I cannot do that for you, it seems the tidal wave washed my hammer and anvil away as well.

Domitrio: But what about Alora? She might have an extra.

Galim: Oh, I haven't seen her, I suppose it got her too.

Forgive me for using your name Galim, (and not trying to fake the speech style) but you were the first I thought of.

@Kiekan- We should just accept that just one day you wake up and there is no access to any tools, weapons, food, or the service skills that made use respect the craftsmanship of certain people? Or on a similar note... just wake up and know everything that ever happened, but be horrible at everything that you could ever do. (Skills don't determine RP, but it is the clients way of showing how good someone is at something. If not.. we wouldn't have skills.)

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:16 pm

Keikan Hiru wrote: I am still amused about your need to explain that nothing happend and everything continued.

This is the most important sentence you all can read here.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:16 pm

Moathia wrote:How would you explain the first?

A number of towns and buildings, including a number of castles, taverns and a fully functional shop on an island with no one living on it. What happened? Did the shop keepers just think one days "Lets build loads of stuff to confuse the hell out of people who come and live on this island which has never had anyone living on it before.

For the third time, you don't need a logical explanation for everything that happens. It's a mystery, and mysteries are good bases for quests.

Kaledon Mordaine · Post by **Kaledon Mordaine** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:19 pm

I have to agree with you there, Bloodhearte. Leaving some things mysterious can actually be better than letting the players know everything. It offers a lot of potential for quests, and stuff like that.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:31 pm

Moyáve wrote:uhm...1.
How would you explain the second? Oh a big tidal wave swept away our skills and possessions?

Only quote me why don't you.

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:39 pm

a new try

http://217.160.140.46/community/forums/ ... hp?t=13683

Why do you think this post is written by a gm on behalf of the staff? Because all ingame groups and organisations become deleted?

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:44 pm

So, is the post saying that guilds can own buildings they used to own before the wipe? Or do they have to rebuy them? Or do they have to form new guilds? I'm confused.

Domitrio · Post by **Domitrio** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:48 pm

I'm kind of confused about that... wouldn't that option, to buy a place, only be open to recurring characters? I don't see how let's say... Domitrio, could buy a house for a new character I make. That would be about the same as a droptrade.. essentially.. right?

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:49 pm

I have reconstructed almost every bulding of the current map.
Each building that belonged to a guild still belongs to a guild.

@Kiekan- We should just accept that just one day you wake up and there is no access to any tools, weapons, food, or the service skills that made use respect the craftsmanship of certain people?

You have access to a fully functional town(s), with every tool you used to have and NPCs that supply you with the rest.

And its Keikan, Dimotroi.

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:50 pm

I believe, that all etablished groups get the right to "save" some money. The groups can use their treasure to build/repair their houses after the wipe is done.

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:52 pm

Bloodhearte wrote:
For the third time, you don't need a logical explanation for everything that happens. It's a mystery, and mysteries are good bases for quests.

Single best explanation on this thread.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:56 pm

Domitrio wrote:I'm kind of confused about that... wouldn't that option, to buy a place, only be open to recurring characters? I don't see how let's say... Domitrio, could buy a house for a new character I make. That would be about the same as a droptrade.. essentially.. right?

Of course, you cannot buy a house for another char of yours. But Domitrio could buy (better: request) a building for Domitrio and his friends.

What Cassandra also wrote: Guilds keep their houses, but if the guild vanishes or becomes inactive, the guild might loose this building. Also, buildings that were payed once can now cost an additional fee.

Domitrio · Post by **Domitrio** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:56 pm

Forgive me for not explaining what I meant. This actually spurred from another discussion thread (Gah, they're everywhere!). We were talking about the first few days, since we in theory will be item-less, we won't have any money to buy tools, and until we can gather enough people to beat a few zombies to death with hammers, we won't get far. Sorry for the confusion.

As well, I was wondering about the guild thing. We spent a lot of time on the Farmer's Union land. Would be sad to lose it. And I'm sure that the Northerot territory (That looks great now) has taken many many game-hours of work. From the Movement men and Darlok building it (that was fun..) to it being destroyed and the Skulls (and many other groups) trying to rebuild, it's got a lot of history. Them being still owned by the guilds is a good thing.

Sorry, didn't even notice I spelled it that way.. gah.. I type like Drogla.. My bad.

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:39 pm

option 2

I thought this was meant to be a poll...not a debate....

Dominik Windslasher ~ · Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:48 am

Second.

ps: if the rp is ereased, there is no Vashikar, right?

cjauncey · Post by **cjauncey** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:47 am

i heard vashikar is one of the cities that is staying

but i may be wrong

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:45 pm

The town will physically be there...but with history wiped it wont be called anything until the first person logs on and claims it.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:52 pm

Option 1- 14 votes
Option 2- 21 votes.

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:03 am

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook wrote:The town will physically be there...but with history wiped it wont be called anything until the first person logs on and claims it.

It won't be wiped.

From what I understand so far about what's going to happen after the wipe, storywise: Some people will be continuing old characters. Some will be trying out old characters again from scratch, forgetting their own history enacted in Illarion. Some people will discontinue their old characters and start completely new ones. Some will do a bit of any of those aforementioned things, all, or none of it. Some people will quit playing (?). Some players will return.

Alone the fact that some people will be continuing old characters seamlessly despite entire loss of skills and items (also perhaps trying out new attributes) would suggest that history will not be wiped, unless the GMs say "no" to something above, the last consensus was that all that is allowed.

If you have a problem with someone claiming a town if they can, you shouldn't be RPing.

Ezor Edwickton · Post by **Ezor Edwickton** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:29 am

I'm begginning to think that this whole thing with the sever change could have been planed and organized better ahead of times by the gms. Not that i am putting it all on them, it was probably just overlooked.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:39 am

Actually Ezor, they perfectly planned it, and gave you a sort of solution. You can just either make new chars, or go on with the old ones you have, skillless, but you essentially can.
And I myself really do not have a problem with that decision, meaning, giving that decision to the players themselves. I already know what I am going to do for instance.