Char Wipe Questions

Avaloner · Post by **Avaloner** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:18 am

Ules YOU are a newcomer/"middel aged" one maybe (could call it advance in the beginning maybe) here still even when you are maybe an half year here but this
Quote (<- to lazy to use quote function):
"Anyone who starts over with an old character will just cause confusion and wil lruin it for others"

Are you stupid or something? Ruin it? You think i'm building a char up just got them where i could play it like i want it and then just because it would be ruin it, it surely would not, i shall make completly new ones? Man you know think then post not the other way.
Glad that i got nearly unknown Chars so noone there to bother.

Ezor Edwickton · Post by **Ezor Edwickton** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:43 am

Maybe a GM could make a poll and see what the majority of the players want. Unless, they feel that we players can't make that dicision.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:48 am

I think the majority of illarionites want to keep our character story's going.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:11 am

Avaloner wrote:Ules YOU are a newcomer/"middel aged" one maybe (could call it advance in the beginning maybe) here still even when you are maybe an half year here but this
Quote (<- to lazy to use quote function):
"Anyone who starts over with an old character will just cause confusion and wil lruin it for others"

Are you stupid or something? Ruin it? You think i'm building a char up just got them where i could play it like i want it and then just because it would be ruin it, it surely would not, i shall make completly new ones? Man you know think then post not the other way.
Glad that i got nearly unknown Chars so noone there to bother.

"

HOw would it NOT ruin it? It would cause confusion and unless a very intricate rp reason was put into place it would at least make it less fun.

Imagine:

"Hello *blank* how are you?"

"Who are you?"

"Why, you dont remember me, I've been your best friend for years!"

"I dont know what you mean, i just arrived here".

As you can see, not exactly the best wya to go about things. maybe you should try and think about someone's view point before posting, not the other way around.

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:32 am

The character number thing isn't the problem. The accounts are organized in a different manner. Instead of your first character being your account name, you'll have an actual account that is seperate from your main character. You can fully delete your main character (and this option will be given to the players, rather than your having to bug Arien to delete them) and your account will still stand.

As for all the talk about restarting the history, although I agree with it, and even proposed it myself, it's much too late. The map is nearly complete. Perhaps if you made your opinions known months ago, it could have been different.

Aegohl

Avaloner · Post by **Avaloner** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:45 am

I know this will go like, but well you don't see my point or? I played my Chars like maybe over 2 1/2 years and i just don't want loose them so I said for me there should no generall problem that everyones knows me or such things.
But anyway I will make my Char new and nooone can stop me MUHAHAHAHAA ..uhm..uh...*cough*..i mean..uhm...isn't the weather nice?

Ghásh Wargclaw · Post by **Ghásh Wargclaw** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:24 pm

Well what about a horrible sickness wipes out most of the illarions, those who survive have been asleep for nearly a year and now some of them awake, with maybe some flashbacks, but thier muscles have withered... For mages it's really easy, they have to practise thier runes everyday or they will forget them. As for druids thy were all wiped out, or they could still have some knowledge but they hardly remeber how anymore...

I'm good!

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:39 pm

Hello Everyone.
Heres what I think:
I've been playing for about a year and a half, give or take a month or two. I don't consider myself an older player, but I'm definitely not a new player so I think I have a pretty good medium on how you all are viewing things. I have Quin. I've stated a thousand times that she is my baby. I'm not going to just leave her in the dust and start over. Its been a grand adventure getting her to where she is today. A GRAND adventure. A lot of people feel that way about their chars. Then on the other hand, there are other players who want to start fresh. Thats where the create a new char comes in handy. You can ALWAYS create a new char. So the GMs are telling us that its up to us. This can only mean one thing: If you have a char you like, keep it and continue RP. If you want to start from scratch, create a new char name and do it that way. When I look at my chars in my head I can only think of them how they are. Starting from scratch or going on with RP they will still be themselves.

I don't think I could go in game as Quin and see Arist walking around with someone else, I'd puke lol. More confusion would come from a complete discontinuation of RP because then EVERYONE would be starting over. In two monts you'll forget if something you've done was before or after the char wipe. "Hey I did this, right? Are you sure it was Moirear? Really? Hm... I don't remember any Moirear, I think you're imaginging things (( dude that was before the char wipe get yer story straight! )). Oh yes, I guess I am." Continuing with RP gives you this less of a chance of happening.

In short, if we continue RP we can pick what chars to take with us or we can make new chars. Or we could do both! You don't HAVE to take your most well known char just because you feel obligated. If you don't like him/her then don't take them! Its as simple as that! So continuing RP has something for everyone: a chance to start new AND a chance to go on. Either way the first few days to weeks will be awkward. Theres nothing you can do about that part of it. If you love Illarion, you'll get over it.

Jaime

AlaineMilan · Post by **AlaineMilan** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:44 pm

Hey this is good. I totally agree Jaime. I will go on with my chars and I dont care about my skills. But I`m sad when the players from good friends of my char dont want to go on. It is your decision. But please dont play your old chars when you want to start new with them.

Steffi

Galdwore Darkmoore · Post by **Galdwore Darkmoore** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:53 pm

I don't mind carrying on with my char
or making a new one.

Well what about a horrible sickness wipes out most of the illarions, those who survive have been asleep for nearly a year and now some of them awake, with maybe some flashbacks, but thier muscles have withered... For mages it's really easy, they have to practise thier runes everyday or they will forget them. As for druids thy were all wiped out, or they could still have some knowledge but they hardly remeber how anymore...

But that is a good idea.

People can say their current char died
of the plague and start with new chars.
Others who stick with theirs can say they
were treated by new arrivals(new chars)
to good health.

Maybe that will open up more RP?

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:35 pm

falco1029 wrote: Imagine:

"Hello *blank* how are you?"

"Who are you?"

"Why, you dont remember me, I've been your best friend for years!"

"I dont know what you mean, i just arrived here".

Within all my years with Illarion, this happened for me for nearly 20 times. Some years ago the name.dat was breaking very often.... Later all files were deleted because i formated my hard-drive. And, within in all these years i used 3 or 4 different updated clients. And never i used the old files.

Thus, there are enough cases, when i had to delete my char, because i only lose my name-files. But never I thought on it.

The question about who knows who, is not very important. You only have to introduce for one time again. It should be possible to do that.

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:39 pm

Lennier wrote:
falco1029 wrote: Imagine:

"Hello *blank* how are you?"

"Who are you?"

"Why, you dont remember me, I've been your best friend for years!"

"I dont know what you mean, i just arrived here".

Within all my years with Illarion, this happened for me for nearly 20 times. Some years ago the name.dat was breaking very often.... Later all files were deleted because i formated my hard-drive. And, within in all these years i used 3 or 4 different updated clients. And never i used the old files.

Thus, there are enough cases, when i had to delete my char, because i only lose my name-files. But never I thought on it.

The question about who knows who, is not very important. You only have to introduce for one time again. It should be possible to do that.

i think falco meant something different.

You (as a char) meet a person that was your best friend before the *thunder* WIPE and afterwards this person can't neither remember you nor all your adventures because his player decided to start new.
You can remember all your adventures and you ask yourself what happened.
After two month (as somebody whose name I didn't read stated) you don't know if something was before or after the *thunder* wipe and mix up adventures which happened before and after it.

I fully agree to Quinasa.

I don't know what is coming but I guess it will be awesome.
The story should go on. maybe a vulcanic eruption destroyed Gobaith/Aandar and some people survived and got a boat to another island (that obviously will exist) that might already be settled or not to start a new village or join the existing one.

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:10 pm

Rackere Diplomatre wrote: i think falco meant something different.

You (as a char) meet a person that was your best friend before the *thunder* WIPE and afterwards this person can't neither remember you nor all your adventures because his player decided to start new.
You can remember all your adventures and you ask yourself what happened.
After two month (as somebody whose name I didn't read stated) you don't know if something was before or after the *thunder* wipe and mix up adventures which happened before and after it.

If there comes a total wipe, we do not need this question, because a total wipe would include, that noone can keep his old char with the old name and his history.

But if the players get a right to keep the names and histories of their chars (it only would works, if both are accepted), the answer to this question is a part of your own rp. Your Char reminds on his past or not? If yes, it is only a question about technical mistakes. You only have to introduce again.

I also agree with Quinasa.

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:55 pm

Its true. We can not stick with "Options"

The hello blank thing is absolutly true,

and after much mental debate ive come up with this:
Every one gets their skills they have put at novice.
Their names are deleted, and they can choose new ones
They can choose new races
Choose new genders (dont see why tho)
Choos new attributes.
Name memories are deleted.
Items are deleted.

If you dont like it im sorry, but it might be the only solution, if even possible, that we may come up with.

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:49 am

Byron. That is a stupid solution.

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:29 am

Ok

If you complain about starting completly over with your stats, I dun care

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:33 am

That is what is going to happen Byron.

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:21 am

Thats great! I can focus on stats i realy like:
I am very exited for this to happen. I havent decided an alternitive race as of now. But i know Halfing and Elf are in the lead.

I am ready to admitt, however, that i am sorry for the veterns of the game that lose everything.

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:42 am

I don't agree with you completely, Quin. I like my character Sian. I played him for a good amount of time. No way I'm an older player. But if I think of the two recent times I played, I didn't have my names.dat. It was not the first time I faced that issue, but it's annoying for roleplaying and I'd rather not have to start from scratch again handling the past events mixed with not recognizing characters I'm supposed to know already. That's why I'm going to start out new with the wipe, new character, new everything. That's also why I stated my opinion that everybody should do that, because it will ineffably lead to the occasional awkward situations in roleplaying.

That's all.

Edit: I really have little to complain about people continuing their old characters, because I'll be playing a new one, and be exempt from this whole shtick. It's just that it's hard for me to believe that everybody is so attached to their characters. You have, what, ten days till the wipe? You could use these ten days for climactic finales between your old characters, as in ending a long story. Bottom line, never-ending series annoy me, I prefer the finite type of show, where you know at the final episode—the story has ended there. Just a matter of personal preference.

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:36 am

Well, even if we were to delete the history, which isn't the plan, I yet again re-iterate for those who weren't paying attention, a character is quite easily started over from scratch, and the process can be quite interesting.

A character is simply a set of concepts given a sort of fictional life. Yes, things along the road change the character from time to time, but the concept should still fit somehow. It would be quite a ride to have a character with the same name, motivations, goals, and attributes (I mean mental and social attributes, rather than dexterity, essence, constitution, etc..) and watch as they take a very different role in Illarion.

However, yet again, because I've confused people in the past, history isn't being deleted--your characters, on the other hand, are. You can recreate them, and it's up to you wether you do this or not. We don't care. We just make and run the game. It belongs to all of you.

Aegohl

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:46 am

Aegohl wrote:Well, even if we were to delete the history, which isn't the plan, I yet again re-iterate for those who weren't paying attention, a character is quite easily started over from scratch, and the process can be quite interesting.

A character is simply a set of concepts given a sort of fictional life. Yes, things along the road change the character from time to time, but the concept should still fit somehow. It would be quite a ride to have a character with the same name, motivations, goals, and attributes (I mean mental and social attributes, rather than dexterity, essence, constitution, etc..) and watch as they take a very different role in Illarion.

However, yet again, because I've confused people in the past, history isn't being deleted--your characters, on the other hand, are. You can recreate them, and it's up to you wether you do this or not. We don't care. We just make and run the game. It belongs to all of you.

Aegohl

In otherwords if you were a man that controlled his destiny, and you had a single chance to restart, what would you do? Would you do exactly what you did in the past? Continue what you were doing? Or start complelty from scratch?

Besides, I know what he means and now i regret something. I went out and did every single skill in a month. Im now boerd of skills.

It isnt hard to redo skills. The smiths now will proboly be smiths agian, and make it up in about a week or two weeks max.

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:31 am

Byron, what you're talking about is called powergaming and it's not tolerated here. Besides the point that there will be new impairments to "the act of powergaming".

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I wonder, has anybody considered just handling things, story-wise, like as if the post-wipe setting takes place a whole deal of time after the pre-wipe setting (as in years lying in between them), and that they can play much older versions of their existing characters, or even descendants of them?
/Edit: I'd finally see a perk for the elvenkind here... bye-bye everybody else.

Poor flies, they're getting swatted by the dozen.

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:41 pm

We need to come up with something that all can agree upon.
Some people will start new characters. That is fine and the easiest to deal with as they will be unaffected by anything.
Some will keep old characters and continue with their story. This needs an explanation of how and why they lost skills, etc. Anything that is used to explain this needs to fit in with an overall story/reason.
Some will keep old characters but restart them. This wiil be the hardest to deal with. And again needs an explanation that will fit in with an overall story.
Things that need to be covered in the story include the changes in the map (how did the island get bigger?), loss of skills and magic, loss of memory, loss of items.
With this being a fantasy setting with Gods and magic available it should be easy to come up with a story that explains all this. The hard part will be getting such a diverse community to actually agree on something!

Maybe the plague swept the island....making it uninhabitable. Everyone took to ships to flee the island. During the crossing the ships get caught in a storm (natural or God created?) and blown off course to run aground on a different Island. Some of those on the ships were carrying the plague. Everyone got sick. Many died on the journey (bye old characters). Some ships got seperated from the main group (characters who may reappear later). Mages and druids called on all their powers and abilities to fight the sickness. The strain was so great they "burned up" their powers. But they managed to break the hold of the sickness. Those that survived the sickness alive were left in a coma state. When they reached the new island the inhabitants (NPC's) cared for them. Upon waking from their comas the survivors found their bodies, memories and abilities (where appropriate) had changed. Unable to do many of the things they had done before, but still with memory of certain skills and abilities (where appropriate).

This is just a very rough idea. What are your ideas?

Damian
PO Jeremy

Delakaniam · Post by **Delakaniam** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:01 pm

I think Jeremy has a good idea here, in a story line that could allow a large number of new characters but keep the old ones if many players wanted to keep them.

But I think in most myths, elves don't get sick. *g*.

Maybe Illarion elves do. Who knows

. But anyway, something can easily be substituted for the plague if this is such a problem at all. *waves arms around vaguely in a "whatever"-esque type motion*.

Personally, I never thought it was a problem either way, whether you kept your old char's or not. We have all glazed over hundreds of OOC things that would have been "miraculous" for the IC characters, but we have still survived Illarion just fine

. This idea of being forced to leave the island and losing many on the way can really help the OOC glaze-over.

Please pardon the lack of flow through this post. I'm online very early because no one else is awake yet, and I'm taking advantage of that

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Naybet Grint · Post by **Naybet Grint** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:59 pm

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the GMs have already come up with an explaination, and are waiting to spring it on us when the time comes. As such I'm not going to worry about it until it happens.

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:00 pm

True .....not a normal plague then. Maybe sent by Moshran because his servants are taking a beating......

Any other ideas?

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:07 pm

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook wrote:True .....not a normal plague then. Maybe sent by Moshran because his servants are taking a beating......

Any other ideas?

I like this one.

Dominik Windslasher ~ · Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:40 pm

I thought about something similar.
Like a villain, a spectral force or something, that absorbed all the powers and abilities of the characters. This would add some objetive for the post-wipe, like, beating this villain. Because he... hmmm... absorbs the natural resources of the world too, the life of the trees, the heat of the sun and etc.
This "thing" could cause the plague as well, when it arrived at the island. So that it kills some characters (those the players don't want to keep).

But I couldn't think about anything to explain the item loss in my idea.

But in Jeremy's idea, well, some ship crashed making the cargo slip to the sea?

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:43 pm

I am SO in favour of Jeremy's idea. That cuts back on a LOT of OOC nonsense we'd have to deal with. I'm up for dealing with the OOC if it means i don't have to start Quin anew but Jeremy has a genuinely RPable idea. Congrats sweety for coming up with that. I'm impressed!

Jaime

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:34 pm

#me blushes

Does the 'I impressed Jaime dance' then takes a bow.

Thank you.

@ Dominik.....the evacuation would be a hurried event and with limited space. People would not be able to take much with them. And to get rid of everything else (apart from what we get to start with) is lost overboard in the storm or when ships are lost or wrecked.
The orcs...being most peoples enemy pose a problem. But they either got their own ships or , since the plague is killing eveything, they are simply taken along with everyone else.