Char Wipe Questions

[Galim]

Deleting all roleplay and every story happened from the game will destroy really everything. with that you would delet part of our lifes. to take us our skills and items is one thing, but our rp and what we experiented is more than false.

[Aegohl]

Strange. I thought you would have preferred playing Galim starting over on day one than playing Bishop Galim, who cannot smith or cast priest spells.

However, my proposal never went through, as I've posted. GM proposals are just like that of player proposals. They can be ignored, flamed, forgotten, or shot down just the same.

Aegohl

[martin]

Deleting all roleplay and every story happened from the game will destroy really everything. with that you would delet part of our lifes. to take us our skills and items is one thing, but our rp and what we experiented is more than false.

Once again I think that you did not understand the concept of a game (and, therefore, of a role playing game). We cannot delete your memories, we cannot delete your social contacts in the community of players. Obviously, you mix RL and RP.

As Aegohl already started, it will be your decision. You might chose to start from zero or to keep the "personality" of your character.

Martin

[Cain Freemont]

Deleting all roleplay and every story happened from the game will destroy really everything. with that you would delet part of our lifes. to take us our skills and items is one thing, but our rp and what we experiented is more than false.

Once again I think that you did not understand the concept of a game (and, therefore, of a role playing game). We cannot delete your memories, we cannot delete your social contacts in the community of players. Obviously, you mix RL and RP.

As Aegohl already started, it will be your decision. You might chose to start from zero or to keep the "personality" of your character.

Martin

This choice, however, would not function well in the illarion society. If one character (perhaps one of great stature) were to say "Meh, I'm starting from scratch, no previous personality, etc." then there would potentially be vast gaps in the history of Illarion and the memories of characters. It would be best if the entire community came to one decision and none other. Either that, or leave the decision to the capable GMs who are to wipe our characters in the first place.

[Adano Eles]

Starting over from zero with the same characters is n't good in my opinion. These characters have a past and this past cannot just be neglected. These characters have developed and aren't the same persons they were when they started. How are we supposed to roll back, remove the changed personality traits and play them as they originally had been?

Either keep on the current RP or start over with a new char. Those are the only possibilities for me.

[Misjbar]

Same here. Though I have a plan that will work with Misjbar, the other chars I have will not be played.

Therefor I have been making 10 new character concepts for me to experiment with. And a fun experiment it will be.

[Galim]

Once again I think that you did not understand the concept of a game (and, therefore, of a role playing game). We cannot delete your memories, we cannot delete your social contacts in the community of players. Obviously, you mix RL and RP.

Once again you don't understood me . Of course I know that you can't delete the memories and social contacts of us players , I meant of course our characters when i spoke of "our". And I am not pelased to see that you still beleive I am an idiot and a terrible roleplayer, just because I can't write in such a nice english like our masterbrain martin *sighs*. And i don't let my roleplay be judged by someone who prefers it to play NOT. But that we may and shall discuss at the RL meeting.

We know everything what happened, what we experiented with our characters. and now we shall start with the same character at zero? Like never anything happened? My character meet his former fiance, or best friend, or king, and i simply should do like never anything happened and he don't knows them? That would make the last years we palyed this game really as good as useless.
Of course, WE the players have the memory to it, but we worked at our characters, for years, to build up roleplay, to build up an ig community with relationships and all. Items can be get back, skills too. but not that ingame relationships, that adventrues and experiences our characters had. And we as player would know that, and it is no nice feeling to lose all that. perhaps you, martin, as one of them who play ilalrion as good as never don't may undertsand it, but we other roleplayers are connected somehow with this. and to see how our characters lose even their past, nit just their items and skills, is not nice, really.

[Keikan Hiru]

Didnt martin just said, you its up to you ?
If you like to keep your characters memories, friendships and other social contacts, you can.

Your rant is useless.

Basticly, from my point of view, its the best to simply ignore the upcoming changes and keep playing as if nothing ever happened.
This will of course require a bit flexibility of you and sometimes your characters, but this will save you some nerves.

[Dónal Mason]

Keikan, there needs to be something OFFICIAL on this. Not just letting people make a choice. That would mean confusion when some players decide to use the same names but the characters do not have the memories.

You have to say other one thing or the other. Either we start afresh with new characters, or we keep the old ones with all their memories. Pick one.

[Galim]

Strange. I thought you would have preferred playing Galim starting over on day one than playing Bishop Galim, who cannot smith or cast priest spells

Aeghol, it is more easy to regain items and skills than the hard work of roleplay you put into your character and in his past. I am noone who can roleplay things twice, or to play the same game twice. If i would start Galim at zero, I won't play him as priest again. I made all the rp to become a priest once, again wouldn't be okay for me. you may take the items and the skills of our characters, but i won't accept that you take the roleplay and the past they have, not the history and all the experiences behind them. than you could delete every chara without the possibility to behold him with name. Because it would make no difference without the RP experiences behind that char.

Galim without skills and items is still Galim, but Galim without skills, items AND the past, memorys and experiences is not naymore the same Galim. Just an other dwarf who wears the same name.

@Keikan
I will continue with my rp, as the character he is yet, but others not. how should I react on that? the only thing is, playing as if the other ones have all amnesia

[martin]

Once again I think that you did not understand the concept of a game (and, therefore, of a role playing game). We cannot delete your memories, we cannot delete your social contacts in the community of players. Obviously, you mix RL and RP.

Once again you don't understood me . Of course I know that you can't delete the memories and social contacts of us players , I meant of course our characters when i spoke of "our".

You did not understand what I claimed you did not understand.

I exactly know what you were talking about. Maybe you can reconsider what I could have meant?

Oh, and by the way, I made no claim about your roleplaying behaviour. I just dared to mention that you did not grasp the concept of games in general.

Martin

[martin]

Oh, one thing should be mentioned, I wrote that in a hurry:
If you decide to start from scratch -- which I personally would recomment -- I would suggest that you use a new character for that. It is, however, not necessary but reasonable in most cases.
As Galim pointed out: Using the old character with wiped memory could lead to confusion. I mean -- it could happen that there was a partial mass amnesia or something.

Everything we could possibly dicdate would lead to frustration. If we say: "Everyone, start from zero!", I can already hear Galim cry around because he "lost his memories".
If we decide that you MUST continue everything, people will cry because character X, who used to be a magician, is now a fighter.
This is a lose-lose-situation for us.

Martin

[Aristeaus]

Everything we could possibly dicdate would lead to frustration. If we say: "Everyone, start from zero!", I can already hear Galim cry around because he "lost his memories".
If we decide that you MUST continue everything, people will cry because character X, who used to be a magician, is now a fighter.
This is a lose-lose-situation for us.

Martin

It would imagine it comes down to common sense. If a character was once a fighter, im certain the player of this character will see it fit to play him once more as a char.
And i personally think if you do play old Char's keep thier memories. But on the other hand with the oppertunity for new arising, why would you keep all your old char's,, one maybe two possilbly.
People have allways complained about how the old characters are two powerfull, now here is your chance.

[Galim]

No, I wouldn't cry "i lost my memorys", I would simply not play Galim anymore. It would be useless. I would start a new char, but I would be very frustrated because I lost a char i like very much, and I lost a part of the work and the fun I had here in the last years

And again, yes, you questioned my roleplayer ability, thanks again.

[Mimblethorp]

When is this Charwipe supposed to take place anyway?

[martin]

No, I wouldn't cry "i lost my memorys", I would simply not play Galim anymore. It would be useless. I would start a new char, but I would be very frustrated because I lost a char i like very much, and I lost a part of the work and the fun I had here in the last years

Again, you mix RP and RL.
You had fun playing a character. This fun is existent in the past. You cannot lose the fun you had. You cannot change the past. WE CANNOT DELETE YOUR MEMORIES, which I already mentioned.
What is that work you lost?
Again, I have to emphasize, you did not get the idea of games. The idea is to have fun during playing the game. I will stop this conversation now as I do not see a way to explain something that you obviously cannot understand.

And again, yes, you questioned my roleplayer ability, thanks again.

The claim does not make it true.

Martin

[Josefine da Vince]

When is this Charwipe supposed to take place anyway?

In less then two weeks.

[Avaloner]

Uhm i don't know but i wouldn't abandone my Chars, i just started to play them like i want them to be...really. Just because they are deleted i don't see the thing in giving up any idea of my char we should have fun like martin already said.
Ohh and maybe theres a new nika...only time will tell..the time...

[Moirear Sian]

I'm against old characters being continued, personally. I know I'm going to start completely from scratch and probably even have fun doing such. If I was a GM here, I would have argued on the internal boards against allowing people to continue their old characters—if anything, allow them to start old characters from zero again, background-wise.

Furthermore, it will show who's really capable of roleplaying: by being flexible, and perhaps trying out something completely new, rather than having to rely on "oh-so-much past being lost in the wipe" (sob, sob), previously tested-for-playable personalities, and in-game connections.

And finally I have a levelled playfield with the players who bitched constantly about the evil knievel "powergamers", however hypocritically held insane amounts of money and resources in their safeboxes that they gained from older times.

Nyeh heh heh.

[Fooser]

If someone really wants to start over from scratch, just make another character, dont use one from before who everyone knew. Wiping all RP is insane, would you delete the RPG and guild forums too? Then there is the issue of IG authority. The first few days we would see some odd things IG, like 100 leaders before someone finally gains enough skill to defeat all their political oppenents, "Oh he must be the king of town now." or things like "You know that building with Eliza and Sam...yeah I own that." Wiping RP and current social structure would be absolute chaos.

[Mimblethorp]

Personally, I think that might be quite entertaining. You know, it's amazing the beauty that can emerge from such Chaos.

I do have one question though. If everyone gets wiped, skills, eq, everything. How do some things get started, oh, like magic which currently has to be taught to someone to learn (mage and druid). And what about farm crops like wheat and cabbage which can't be bought from a store? The realms would starve before we ever got a crop in the ground.

That's the kind of chaos I could see being truely deadly to a game.

[Moirear Sian]

Here you go:

Basically, this is a surprise.

Harhar.

It's all in there.

[Fooser]

Personally, I think that might be quite entertaining. You know, it's amazing the beauty that can emerge from such Chaos.

13 kings, 10 guilds and 3 senates within a week? I don't consider that beauty, just frustration that inevitably needs OOC interference anyways, because it would be a pointless pile up of claiming things, which is useless and unrealistic. Even the most politically unstable places in the world dont get things like that.

[Aegohl]

If someone really wants to start over from scratch, just make another character, dont use one from before who everyone knew. Wiping all RP is insane, would you delete the RPG and guild forums too? Then there is the issue of IG authority. The first few days we would see some odd things IG, like 100 leaders before someone finally gains enough skill to defeat all their political oppenents, "Oh he must be the king of town now." or things like "You know that building with Eliza and Sam...yeah I own that." Wiping RP and current social structure would be absolute chaos.

Well, my proposal included things to get around that sort of mess, although eventually there would be the trouble of deciding who's in charge. It was done before, with Lyrenzia, and sure, that was chaos, but it worked.

[Moirear Sian]

I hope to see religious orders gain more power in a scenario where there is a pantheon of deities, rather than some terribly boring political bodies that are ripped loose from these religions, for the most part. But maybe that's just me writing.

[falco1029]

Here's my view:

Old character should either continue as if they just had their skills depleted (and i suppose forgot people's names), or they should not play. Start with a new character if you wish to start over. Anyone who starts over with an old character will just cause confusion and wil lruin it for others.

Also since some people will continue we need an rp of what's happening, since names (actually more the connection of faces to names, since the memory of the name will be there) will be forgotten, items taken, and skills deleted, but not memories.

[Ezor Edwickton]

I think it would be nice to start right from the beginning again. Everyone just being new settlers on this island. No established government, gaurds, or laws, or anything yet. Just a basic town.

[Cain Freemont]

Here's my view:

Old character should either continue as if they just had their skills depleted (and i suppose forgot people's names), or they should not play. Start with a new character if you wish to start over. Anyone who starts over with an old character will just cause confusion and wil lruin it for others.

Also since some people will continue we need an rp of what's happening, since names (actually more the connection of faces to names, since the memory of the name will be there) will be forgotten, items taken, and skills deleted, but not memories.

Can't you just use your old names file after the character wipe? Just save it to a floppy or something and then replace the new one with the old one. No name problems there.

[Fooser]

Then something will come in to fill that empty spot Ezor, then will you wish for another wipe?

OOC changes haven't cleared RP in the past, I don't see why it has to now.

Probably the best example to compare with is when the account system was put in. Some characters were removed due to bad names, not making it, etc. with no real IC reason, just dissapeared. According to some people, this would cause horrible "plot gaps" and problems.
Players adapted? yes
RP wiped? no
And the world as our characters know it didn't end, wow.

Putting in the account system and having a character wipe are different things, I know, but it's similar. I'm not saying everyone should use their old characters, but if you're really intent on starting clean, make a new character. Things will probably change even if RP continues anyways, if change is your motive for wanting RP to end. But keeping your character development should at least be an option, which seems to be true as of right now.

[falco1029]

Here's my view:

Old character should either continue as if they just had their skills depleted (and i suppose forgot people's names), or they should not play. Start with a new character if you wish to start over. Anyone who starts over with an old character will just cause confusion and wil lruin it for others.

Also since some people will continue we need an rp of what's happening, since names (actually more the connection of faces to names, since the memory of the name will be there) will be forgotten, items taken, and skills deleted, but not memories.

Can't you just use your old names file after the character wipe? Just save it to a floppy or something and then replace the new one with the old one. No name problems there.

From what I hear the character numbers will be different so no, you can't.