Magic & Runes?

Amok BlackFang · Post by **Amok BlackFang** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:52 pm

Is there meant to be anything done about the magic system? Because at the moment nearly no people know magic because the way you gain the runes, through the riddles. The people who have guesed them already think they are so very easy. But for someone starting up and doesn't get any help since the short supply of mages Doesn't have a chance.
Sort of Like this(can never remember the whole message):
"Coal and luk, is the smiths favorite weapon" This might tell you the ingredients but doesn't tell you at all what you should do with them. Which quickly makes the role of a mage boring... Sure you might by chance find a mage, but once you do he might not like you and after that it seems sort of hopeless. Ok, I know people are going to bomb me with this has already been posted, or something like that, but please try not to. Try to find an answer to the problem instead...

Djironnyma · Post by **Djironnyma** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:35 pm

the waye to become a mage is a hard way,.... to go them you search better ig for a teacher, he will ell you, how you become the rune from the runestones or he will give you the runes...

Amok BlackFang · Post by **Amok BlackFang** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:53 pm

Hey, Djironyma would you mind becoming my teacher?

Nikago Fyrstyn · Post by **Nikago Fyrstyn** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:03 pm

Djironnyma wrote:.... to go them you search better ig for a teacher

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:59 pm

actually if you find a mage even if they dont teach some will at least helpy you get started or point you to a teacher

Amok BlackFang · Post by **Amok BlackFang** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:07 pm

I didn't really get that part... Was there someone called ig, should I search for IG or should I ask Ig instead of teacher?

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:16 pm

ig means ingame

Cylyan Fleam · Post by **Cylyan Fleam** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:22 pm

I've got quite a good start on magic, but I haven't ever managed to find a teacher. If you are patient, you will be able to pick up scraps of information from people, piece it all together, and you'll be on your way. My main problem is the vast sums of money I need.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:22 pm

Magic used to be a sacred thing in Illarion. Now every first timer comes in and announces that they want to learn. After repeated attempts at asking them to speak in hushed tones when it comes to magic most still do not listen. It takes a lot of money to become a mage, a lot of gold and hard work. And up until recently it was respected. Working for a few months and getting the money and experience in other areas that you need helps you meet other characters and gain their trust. THAT's what helps the most in becoming a mage. It's not something you should do in a matter of a couple weeks. And if someone meets you, you have a fairly new number, and you are casting spells, a sort of distaste immediately comes out because it's obvious someone wasn't respecting what has always been respected.

Cylyan Fleam · Post by **Cylyan Fleam** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:51 pm

And if someone meets you, you have a fairly new number, and you are casting spells, a sort of distaste immediately comes out because it's obvious someone wasn't respecting what has always been respected.

Well, in all fairness, you used to be able to buy magic-books from the shop at 200 gold per book. So, it hasn't always been so sacred.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:01 pm

And every zombie dropped the Path to Magic books. Oooh. Big frickin' whoop. The point is you can learn all you want about how to get the runes in the library, but it's something you need to work hard at. I've seen players run up to another player who just casted a food spell and demand that they give them what they need to begin magic. And it's so insulting to see someone come in and take up magic right away because some of us followed the instructions others had given us. Some of us respected the wishes of those we spoke to. How can someone be respected and liked in Illarion if they don't listen to the people they want to learn from?

AlaineMilan · Post by **AlaineMilan** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:21 pm

Yeah thats true Quinasa. I`m here since Octobre (about five months now ^^). Not very long, I know. But I`m always confused when I see people with 74*** or 75*** fighting with ogres or casting ice flames. My chars cant do that. And I dont want that they can do it that quick. Because it isn`t normal. I Germany we must train 3 years to be full-trained for ONE job, and some new chars can do three jobs very good after one month. Or can cast ice flames after a week. First log in and at the same day they ask someone: can you teach magic? (or something like this)

Cylyan Fleam · Post by **Cylyan Fleam** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:49 am

I think your focusing the blame on entirely wrong people. Without the help of other players, there would be no way of these 'newbies' getting the magic in the first place. And, if they do it themselves, good for them, it isn't easy finding out how to obtain magic, and it certainly isn't cheap.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:11 am

It takes a lot of money to become a mage, a lot of gold and hard work. And up until recently it was respected.

It was only respected because it was impossible to learn for a bit. Before that only people who dominated the last remaining books hit up prices. BEFORE that you could by them from the shop and get them from the library.

Naybet Grint · Post by **Naybet Grint** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:00 am

If a young character wants to learn magic then, so long as they can convince an existing mage that they are worthy and will respect magic, I don't see the problem. I think existing mages have a responsibility to not just give away their great and respected secrets, but to analyse the worthiness of the candidate. Then again, if mages don't value their craft, then I can't think of an RP reason why they shouldn't teach to anyone who can pay for it.

Perhaps what is needed is a guild of mages to whom applicants need to apply. Then that guild would need enforcers to cut down on rogue wizards and it would be there responsibility to keep magic respected. But thats an idea that needs to happen in game, rather than here.

Murphy Macmanus · Post by **Murphy Macmanus** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:32 pm

I think the magic system is perfect. Its not too easy anymore to become a mage. I also think that the riddles are brilliant because then it allows to players to use there mind. A mage would not let a little riddle get in there way no matter how new they are. So I think it is a very good system.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:19 pm

The magic system is okay. Some of the riddles, I feel, are too vague. Like: "Hept doesn't shiver in the winter."

Hm. To my knowledge, no inanimate object shivers - it could be anything.

But then again, it could just be me. I'm not a fan of deciphering shite.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:27 pm

the riddles are fine, it's the fact that some people spoonfeed people who dont deserve it that messes everything up.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:39 pm

I don't mind too much like I used to. Magic should only be available to a select few characters, and, in my opinion, moderated by GMs.

And no, I don't mean give the character cryptic phrases like "those who are patient will get their just reward," forcing the character to sit on his ass for half a year, clueless still (such was my case until some other character was passionate enough to teach mine when asked). When mage characters tell this to characters who want to learn, that's just a complicated, dishonest way of saying "piss off, you'll never learn." I mean, what else can a character do to prove he is worthy? Be good to the townspeople, help them out, be unassuming, willing to learn...that's all that can be done, especially as a newbie.

...IMHO.

What should happen, is the character should get the answers they are looking for if they have exemplified a real desire to learn runes, have made enough friends to be trustworthy, etc. No sense in teaching malcontents, but there's also no sense in letting potentially well played characters stagnate.

Sordelka · Post by **Sordelka** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:00 am

I think you must make atleast three clues to the runes...because two is a bit vague and three would be just great!

Ghásh Wargclaw · Post by **Ghásh Wargclaw** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:06 pm

The system where you give certain gifts to the guardian really doesn't work... I myself traveled the island just the write down, where every runestone is and which guardian it held and this gave me 2 runes! and I got both of them by accident... And also I think the riddles are hard and perfect just because everybody overestimate them and think that the gifts must be something impossible to get not the most resonable thing that first pops into your head.
Well anyway I was just wondering how hard some spells are to cast...
Well I recently got the rune PEN and which I then combined with___ to create the "Magical shower spell", but ehm I still haven't got the message
PEN + (other rune) I did it over a hundred times and it well didn't work is that normal? 0/100? Though I got the grey smoke thing but nothing more... And my char has a high Essence, intelligence and willpower.

Edit: Magic shower spell = healing spell, sorry for the missunderstanding..

Post by **Nitram** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:46 pm

Ghásh Wargclaw wrote:"Magical shower spell"

???? oO

I never heard something about his spell! ^^

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:17 pm

I have the same problem, Ghásh. I have skill for it, barely anymore because of events from looooooooooooong ago, but I can never successfully cast it.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:41 pm

I'm not sure if this is what you want to know, but you can't cast the healing spell on yourself anymore.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:45 pm

Estralis Seborian wrote:I'm not sure if this is what you want to know, but you can't cast the healing spell on yourself anymore.

Hey, that's soooooooooooo coo - that sucks.

Why was the healing spell removed from self-useage?

Sordelka · Post by **Sordelka** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:19 pm

healing...maybe becaus eit makes a mage invincilbe???

Sordelka · Post by **Sordelka** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:21 pm

And my char has a high Essence, intelligence and willpower.

hmmm...I thought stats were no longer in use...[/quote]

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:38 pm

Sordelka, please use the edit function rather than making two posts straight after eachother.

Anyway, stats are still in use. What would be the point in allocating them otherwise?

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:43 pm

Sordelka wrote:healing...maybe becaus eit makes a mage invincilbe???

How does it make them invincible? It takes time and mana to cast the spell on oneself, if anything the paralyze spell makes them more invincible than healing.

Pendar · Post by **Pendar** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:22 am

More over as mages generally wear leather armour. They are most vunerable. I have had far more expierenced mages fall before my axe. Even if they could cast healing on themselves they would then not be casting an ice flame. The stronges healer I know off can heal nearly half health. In leather I could knock that down in two hits propably."depending on there other stats of course".
Sorry for rambeling, merely I think mages until they aquire an exceptionally high level are extremely vunerable.
Pendar