Why...

Zare · Post by **Zare** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:52 am

Why is it that when somebody offers criticism, everyone gets all defensive?

Obviously, when more than one person starts to complain, then there is something seriously wrong, either technical or roleplay-sense. Technically, this game is fine. Sure, it has some kinks in it, but overall its fine. So that would leave roleplaying. Mind, the majority of you aren't bad roleplayers, but its just that all of us are pretty much the same character, the same personality. Why? Because in Illarion... the good guys always win. Differing personalities are always shunned.

We need more conflict. All I see now are orc attacks. Big deal. A puny tribe of orcs. What we need is a conflict where neither side is "the good guy" and neither side is "the bad guy". This way, not everyone joins the good guy's side, the winners side. We seriously need to start beating each other up.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:15 am

every town against each other

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:30 am

To Zare,
John got beat up. Maybe you are not playing the game. But Garett is definetly different from Durin or John or Pendar. They are all different. No one shuns different players ooc. I think the problem is that many people who complain about these types of things OOC are infact to close to their character. They have not seperated themselves from their character, their character is to much like themselves so when they see their character dead or jailed they feel that they personally are jailed and punished.
I am making a 'bad' character but I would like to think I have made him different enough from myself so as I do not have a temper tantrum when he dies and loses some skill, or is jailed because he broke a law in town such as killing someone twice.
It is very simple, Kasume could have simply ran away. But the character Kasume stayed to fight Durin thinking he could win, possibly by looking at Durin's id number, and he lost and was jailed. He was jailed for ingame reasons by ingame characters.
And do notice none of Kasume's post was critism it was more "this game sucks, you all suck, your all the same, I lost and I am pissed cause I lost skill, your all powergamers, unfair play".
Why doesn't kasume start a guild out of town? Why doesn't kasume get people who will help fight the town guard? Maybe because Kasume doesn't want to do something like that, simply complain on the boards trying to make people look bad.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:36 am

no one kill in town is agenst the law, two kills if for the same reason is agenst game rules

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:52 am

John got beat up. Maybe you are not playing the game. But Garett is definetly different from Durin or John or Pendar

I dont think he means the ingame banter, but moreso the high-action situations.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:16 am

.........

Just leave this topoic alone... let it rot.

Pronon Palmsuger · Post by **Pronon Palmsuger** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:28 am

And Zare hits the nail on the head. People get all pissy and flame everyone who leaves with a kritik. I've said it about 1 million times "If there are that many people leaveing (especially good roleplayers) than the game has been fucked up some where along the line. I've stated my opinion, I say the day the dorught started stopping all work entirely with NO roleplay excuse was the day the game started slipping. Truley, all the good GM's my favorites basically left then we get all these new ones (not saying all of you are bed, I really like estrobalis or whatever it is) who think "Oh hey im a big man now ill do what ever the hell I like and demand excellent RP from everyone except me! Mwahaha!" Then the drought boiled all fish away, completely covered every single rock, stop every single tree form growing, stoping farming entirley, A drought of this size would have DEVASTATED any town. there would litterally have been not 1 soul left. but then the druoght ends after about 10 failing atempts to end it and about 10 different plots to correspond with these endings and EVERYTHING changed. Suddenly "oh yeah all the herbs, there in hidden locations" and farming "yeah you can only do that on this little plot here out in the middle of no where near no depot at all I guess thats not a career anymore huh?" and mining "oh hey heres these caves that appear with no Roleplay excuse at all and they move everyother day, I guess since the caves are being jackass' we'll have to look for them every single day! because obviously the caves are magical and they move about as they please, what other excuse is there for it?" and then loads of depots were removed, new buildings and towns added left and right spreading everyone left on the island (who didnt quit after the drought) out to such a brink that no one can find eachother. then we move down the timeline and the caves become permanent and such and such but suddenley theres more towns, each with depots, and oh my god the game is streched beyond belif and skill are so hard to get that everyone is working constantly in different places all over the map that expands so often. So IMO the game has been more or less gone since the drought and the only way to fix it is to bring it back to that state exactly. I mean we've proven with the drought and waht not that you dont need a roleplay excuse for things "cosmecly" shifting all around, so hey if things just "mysteriously" went back in time to when there was a game that wasn't having people leave daily, well it owuld be perfectly fine.

1 last note, go ahead and flame me about how amazing this game is and how my opnion is entirley wrong, go ahead and try to convince me that I was completely wrong in what I said because it will be on big waste of your time and "prescious forum space" that we are apperently so low on. And IF your going to kritik me dont do it on spelling because thats a lame ass excuse from people who realize that the poster is entirley right but they want to be a big ass about it.

Dont take this whole thing incredibly offensively, I actually like most of the community and had alot of fun playing, and right now am in a really bad mood. But as for me complaining because im too close to my character is not true at all, I could care less if he dies If an orc wants to attack me, hey, cool fun roleplay; I complain because I want something done. I also dont like these time arguments "oh the GM's are so busy" I realize your busy, but thats part of the entailment of being a GM, I never would have done it having to work for free on some shitty game where players (like me) whine all the time. BUt actually instead of working on temporary things , or even bothering to work with this client at all, you can let this one be as is and work on the next client or revert the game to when it was fun.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:08 am

Your big proposal is that they revert to an overall worse system. This is already been turned down countless times. Why you extended it over several paragraphs I don't know.

Nerevar Schattenaxt · Post by **Nerevar Schattenaxt** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:37 pm

There are other games that make fun

Why not play WoW or UO-Ascendence?
There are many good ex-Illa players like Muten, Kincent, Konstantin, Sian and many many others.

Join a more friendly community with better RP.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:26 pm

I have to agree.
This game was amazing, untill after the drought.

Nikago Fyrstyn · Post by **Nikago Fyrstyn** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:41 pm

when does this fu**ing bla bla drought was bad bla bla thing stop hu? Omg..we can't work illa goes lame, omg I can't fight illa is lame, omg my skills raise is so hard illa is lame, omg I'm going now delet everything, but never got the courage to saying it in my aktiv times so I complain when i go, because I'm a lame rat and fear to get punished while playing !
This people just destroys the fun of Illa, everytime i see that, i remember how many good times I got in Illa, but you people just see "work makes fun, fight makes fun, why roleplay?" I always look at the drought like a war, do you think people could want war, maybe some yes, but you think you can just sit there continuing working, while others fight, you even think you can live in peace when war rumbels around you? Damm get in your brain that this is a RPG and we got QUESTS and these QUESTS got consequenses omg all the lame leave go away prono...go away katsume cause you suck and you don't play illa just complain.
I got a great rp with the guards some day's before and just because you can't plan or play quest because your brain is maybe to small or something, you just complain everything is lame. Illa is no dreamworld where everyone runs around happy, its too much dreamworld already I think to much good guys, but you can't block logical things.

One more Hint: everyone who leaves and complains than is a fu** COWARD take speech when you play and contionu play and not when you play some seconds, get beaten up, and then leave just because you can decide between you and your Char.
Thats alll thanks for reading

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:15 pm

Your sentence structure is annoying to read.
Infact, I didn't read it.

Nikago Fyrstyn · Post by **Nikago Fyrstyn** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:18 pm

Thats your Problem Katsume you never read the things from other People and because of that you can't understand the Facts other People writte and you will be always wrong with this attidude, but well its not my life so go now Katsume leave the forums kill illarion on your pc and stay away..forever.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:21 pm

Apparently you need to learn to read as well. Hehe...
Oh well. I'm finishing up my Role-Play, and I will be gone shortly.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:29 pm

Kasume, he isnt native to English.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:35 pm

That gives no reason to talk like he is an American (no offense). I mean, 8 omgs per scentence is not one I would like to read either.

Nikago Fyrstyn · Post by **Nikago Fyrstyn** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:45 pm

would you read one, than you would see why i did it its just something to let you see how this things go on my nervs, because this is just what people do, when they leave, making themself important,normally they aren't important and shouting around with there "critic", that even isn't one, just this omg-shit.

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:58 pm

Kasume wrote:I'm not bitching at the fact that I was jailed. I'm bitching at the fact of how jailing me was done. Even if my character gets off of the hook, I'm still leaving. As I seriously am growing a seering pain of hate when I visit these forums.

Why did you hide this sentences at the end of your post?

If there was a wrong acting of anyone against you, why we can not talk about it and try to find a solution for the future?

The guards also are only chars of non-perfect players. They aren`t GMs or a part of the staff of the game. They aren`t nothing more than an ig-party like others (Skulls, Varshikars etc.).

Maybe you can repeat? How your char was jailed? What was wrong in ooc in your opinion?

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:08 pm

Or he could just leave and we go on with our lives, and he his.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:23 pm

Kasume is entitled to leave.

Kasume is entitled to point and laugh at what he dislikes.

We're entitled to point right back.

Personally, I'll miss Kasume, to a degree, but I'm sure we'll all cope with his criticisms and move on.

Like we've done with the last five overly dramatic exits.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:35 pm

Nilo wrote:Hi Kasume.

Nice for you to leave us such a pretty messege.

Fooser bites now.
Hmm.. Fooser doesn't bite, actually he whacks you with his tail. Secondly Fooser has got to be the most awesome person there is. Even though he doesn't go all out with RP , he always makes me laugh, and without him this game would be boring.

Obviously you dont know how to rp, so maybe you should go play runescape or something where you dont have to role play.

Excuse me Nilo, but this post of yours just reeks with "my fun is better than your fun, MUD player!" Kasume has the right to express his opinion, no matter how much you don't like it.

Kasume, also, does know how to roleplay, as one of my characters met him before.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:04 pm

Expressing an opinion is good and fine, but expressing general anger doesnt help anyone (but Katsume).

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:16 pm

Edit: I'm not responding to this pointless thread any longer...

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:52 pm

Darlok wrote:Expressing an opinion is good and fine, but expressing general anger doesnt help anyone (but Katsume).

At least Kitsune has opinions to justify the anger, according to what I read in the first post. No, (s)he doesn't describe how Illarion can be better, but (s)he at least points out what (s)he thinks is wrong with it, and that's valuable too.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:54 pm

It is a he Bloodhearte.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:14 pm

I know, I'm just giving him crap. Anytime I see the name, I think Japanese. And there was a reference to him being a girl.

So, yeah, Kitsune.