Neuer Server und Spenden/New server and donations

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:53 pm

You put money on your paypal-account (free of charge, per transfer), send it to anybody in another country (2,5% exchange fee between currencies, else free) and the other one can transfer it back to his home-account (transfer, may cost something, see below).

The fees to transfer it onto your home-account (paypal->you):

All EURO-countries: €1.00 (except Germany: free, I heard only until end 2004)
Danmark: 5.00 DKK
Great Britain: free (over £50 tranfer volume); £0.25 (<£50 transfer volume)
Hongkong: $3.50 HKD
Japan ¥500
Canada $0.50 CAD
Mexico 20.00 MXN
Newsealand $1.00 NZD
Norway 5.50 NOK
Sweden 7.00 SEK
Switzerland 0.50 CHF
Singapour $1.00 SGD
South Korea 1,500 KRW
Taiwan 35 TWD
USA free

Don't ask me how they earn money in Germany or the USA if a customer only transfers through his country.

Alora Ironforge · Post by **Alora Ironforge** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:36 pm

Martin,

Did you get my email cause i got this back in return.... or is this just one email account that the address forwards too??

This is the Postfix program at host p15106082.pureserver.info.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

The Postfix program

<aragon@greyrose.de> (expanded from <donation@illarion.org>): host
appendix.udag.de[62.146.106.70] said: 554 <alora_ironforge@hotmail.com>:
Sender address rejected: Access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:39 pm

I had the same response whilst using Hotmail, but sending through Yahoo seemed to be fine

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:52 pm

I remember an issue from a completely different site where people couldn't use hotmail-accounts for registering, because the respective server classified hotmail as spam. I suppose any other account should work.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:56 pm

I have yet to receive a return and I use a free hotmail account.

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:26 am

@Alora:
Your mail arrived as appendix to the same message, you get. So I could read it.

martin · Post by **martin** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:20 am

Bis jetzt sind die eingegangenen Spendenbekundungen noch relativ deutlich hinter unseren Erwartungen. Mit dem bisher zugesagten Geld wäre es kaum möglich, neue, verbesserte Serverhardware zu erwerben.
In den letzten Tagen haben wir keine Mails mehr bekommen.
Solltet ihr vergessen haben, ein Mail zu schicken, tut das bitte so schnell wie moeglich.
Danke.

Martin

Until now, the promissed donations received by the e-mail-adress we have given to you stay clearly behind our expectation. Given the money we would receive as donation, we would probably not be able to buy new, improved server hardware.
We did not get any new e-mails for a couple of days now.
In case you simply forgot to mail, please do that as soon as possible.
Thank you.

Martin

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:32 am

Come on, people, gather up!
Don't we want troubleshooting and speed? Don't we want Illarion to run better?

Actually, maybe staff will solve this Win XP Service Pack 2 kick out issue? Maybe the new hardware will react to SP2 better? Actually, they should try running Illarion on an XP server that has SP2 on it. Hopefully, there will be updates to it.

Shi'voc · Post by **Shi'voc** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:45 pm

i guess the xp2 issue will rather be solved with the new client... (which is still unfinished though)
if the issue is really the client it propably won't be fixed before the newclient is released.

Sam · Post by **Sam** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:54 pm

How far behind are we? A little or a lot.

martin · Post by **martin** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:19 pm

Less than 1/2 of what we expected.

Martin

Shi'voc · Post by **Shi'voc** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:24 pm

not really expected... rather hoped for martin

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:37 pm

you heard my proposal, martin.

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:51 pm

Moirear Sian wrote:I remember an issue from a completely different site where people couldn't use hotmail-accounts for registering, because the respective server classified hotmail as spam. I suppose any other account should work.

I tested my hotmail-account.
I got a return message telling me the mail was undeliverable.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:35 am

For the XP SP2 throwout :

Use a different firewall and deactivate the windows one. Could work.
After installing SP2, i re-installed ZoneAlarm, shut off the Windows thingy, and never had any problem with illa.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:26 am

Charge 2 Euro's per char to everyone, seriously, we're in the 70k's now, IMAGINE THAT! I'd like to see how a 140,000 Euro server performs.

Or just charge until you have the cash and there you go.

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:42 am

Or, just donate what you can.
Not everybody's equally wealthy, and I'm sure everybody's happy that they were able to play all this time for free. If not, to whomever this may concern, you are pretty dam' unthankful. A new server? Hell yeah. I'd like to know that the staff is in complete control of the technical aspects of the game. What, you'd prefer having to sign up for something, do extra regular paperwork concerning monthly fees and such to play a game online where you're confronted with people "LOL"-ing and "(:"-ing you to death?

Other things to think of:
A normal game comes with a retail price. Other than online games, you normally pay, let's say, 40$ for a game, depending on which country you bought it in. One time-pay, and you're set for as much fun as you can get out of the game.
My point—I've had more fun with illa than with any other game.
This game, so far, was definitely worth more than 40$. Far more.
I'd even say you could multiply the number.
But in any case, considering how many people play illa, and that the donations for the decent price range of this new server are 1/2 behind the expectations in amount (!), I'm pretty disappointed. I mean, it's really a typical thing you see everyday. If you don't go billing people to their houses and asking them officially to pay, they simply won't. And I'm quite positive I'm on the poorer half of the player community here, judging from certain statements and comments I read every now and then.
And mind you, after all that, I'm not even a staff-member.

Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.

martin · Post by **martin** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:21 am

Moirear Sian wrote:Or, just donate what you can.

Yes, that's what we think, too.
Plus: Donate what you want. We do not force anyone to give us money.

Just to mention that: We, the staff, surely donate as well.

Martin

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:13 am

I'd gladly donate, but at the moment I can't even pay for all the repairs that needed to be done on my car...

Moskher Heszche · Post by **Moskher Heszche** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:21 am

I find myself in a similar situation as Adano. I'd love to help Illarion, but I'm currently in debt. If only you could have gotten to me before the collection agency.

In any case, I'm still trying to figure out a way that I could afford to help Illarion and we shall see.

--Mitch

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:12 am

Damien wrote:For the XP SP2 throwout :

Use a different firewall and deactivate the windows one. Could work.
After installing SP2, i re-installed ZoneAlarm, shut off the Windows thingy, and never had any problem with illa.

I am on dial-up, Damien, I don't even have the option to disable firewall, because the panel is not accessible.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:42 pm

I'm still in my teens (!) and living at home (and thus have a very small amount of income for myself), seeing as I'll only be playing Illarion for a few more months before I depart for college, I think I'll refrain from paying until my last few weeks or so. You can consider it a going away present on my behalf.

Also...I still have the payment details from the Illarion t-shirt I bought. The details are belonging to one Dirk Blasing-would I be able to donate through the same method that I payed this person?

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:48 pm

Just a suggestion....it might be an idea to put a message about donations on the homepage. Might be seen by more people and get some more money. Just a thought.

Damian
PO Jeremy

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:58 pm

We will try to offer as many ways as possible to transfer the money to us.
As some know, on the rl-meeting this weekend, a society was founded "Illarion e.V." to have a legitim base to get money and to handle the rights on the server and the codes. This society needs to be registered at the court. After that, we can open a bank-account for the society and install ways to transfer money there.
In the momemt, we have offers about 1700 Euro. Not enough yet.

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Wir werden versuchen, so viele Möglichkeiten wie machbar sind, anzubieten, Geld zu uns zu überweisen.
Wie einige wissen, wurde auf dem RL-Treffen dieses Wochenende ein Verein "Illarion e.V." gegründet um eine rechtliche Grundlage zu haben für das Eigentum an Server und Programmcodes, sowie um Geld entsprechend verwalten zu können. Der Verein muss nun noch beim zuständigen Amtsgericht eingetragen werden. Dann kann für diesen ein Konto eröffnet und passende Wege des Geldtransfers eingerichtet werden.
Im Moment haben wir Spendenangebote in einer ungefähren Gesamthöhe von 1700 Euro.

Alice · Post by **Alice** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:58 pm

Don't ask me how they earn money in Germany or the USA if a customer only transfers through his country.

All businesses have to pay to make transactions using PayPal.

If you guys happen to get set up with PayPal then I'll definitely help out. It's not difficult (If you don't know that already) and they can even contact you if someone requests it.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:16 pm

@Konstantin :

Click on "connect with" (or network thingies), then rightclick the dialup connection, properties should be the english word to click.
There, take the last card thingie. A translation from the german word should be "Extended".
There you have the "Windows Firewall". Click on the Button "Settings". There, select "inactive" to deactivate the windows firewall.

Another method would be : System onfiguration -> security center. Select "Windows firewall". Deactivate it.
OR : Start the illarion Client, minimize it with windows button or task manager. Then start the security center in your system configuration. Clik on the rider "Exceptions" (or likewise). Put a hook where "Illarion.exe" or illarion client (or likewise) appears.

Could also help, if you like to use the windows FW.

Be sure to have administrative rights on your computer, else you may not see the options or they will be marked as non-accessable.
Some viruses also cause certain network and dialup options not to show. If even the admin does not find it, do a virus scan with an up-to-date virus scanner.

If you use a firewall program and have the windows FW running at the same time, it's likely to be a problem source, blocking too many ports.
(If you use i.e. telephony programs on a network server base, an active windows firewall is often the problem after SP2 updates.).
I myself use ZoneAlarm, i can configure the access for every program. It works well with Illarion.

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:31 am

I was asked several times in the past few days and in emails when we will start to accept donations.

This is a legal matter. In order to accept donations, we need a bank account to be set up first. This bank account can only be set up for good conditions when we can prove that the society we just founded (but which is not registered yet! Work in progress...) is a non-profit-society. Some lawyers (and other dubious persons

) have to check that first, reading our rules and deciding if they fit their understanding of a non-profit-association. As soon as this is done, will I as treasurer create that bank account, set up PayPal, Western Union and give out the information you need to donate money.

We will accept several different ways of money transfer, you do not need to worry about that.

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Ich wurde die letzten Tage mehrmals persönlich und in Emails gefragt, ab wann Spenden möglich sind.

Das ganze ist eine rechtliche Angelegenheit. Um Spenden empfangen zu können, brauchen wir ein Bankkonto. Dieses Konto kann nur zu guten Konditionen eröffnet werden, wenn wir beweisen, dass der gerade gegründete Verein (der gegründet, aber noch nicht beim Amtsgericht registriert ist, gerade in Arbeit...) "gemeinnützig" ist. Einige Rechtsverdreher müssen das erst prüfen, unsere Satzung lesen und entscheiden, ob sie ihrem Verständnis von "gemeinnützig" entspricht. Sobald das getan ist, werde ich als Schatzmeister das Konto eröffnen, PayPal und Western Union einrichten und die Informationen weitergeben, damit gespendet werden kann.

Wir werden verschiedenste Wege des Geldtransfers anbieten. Darüber braucht ihr euch keine Sorgen machen.

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:22 pm

In Kürze werden wir die Transferdaten veröffentlichen.

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Soon we will announce the ways to transfer money.

Sir Peter · Post by **Sir Peter** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:21 am

Aragon wrote:In Kürze werden wir die Transferdaten veröffentlichen.

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Soon we will announce the ways to transfer money.

in Kürze??????????????????

Soon ?????????????????

Redet ihr von Ingame oder Realzeit?

Are u talking about Ingame or RL-Time?

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:55 am

http://forum.illarion.org/viewtopic.php?t=12407