Hey i was on yesterday.......sorry rith but this is what i must say, to all you new people DONT POWER GAME!! Rith you were able to beat me and how long have you been on?? My charecter is master at parry and cuncusion wepons and yet i was beaten twise these two weeks. I mean they were on for a moth tops then out of the blue your frigin strong???? I mean come on thats not good. Rih was able to beat kasume , whos char was strong realy strong.... i mean seriously here, some one other than me must have notticed.
And yes i did train rith twice (in other words i dueled him twice) and the second time he beat me easly! Older players state what your opinion and youger players argue with me all you want. Im sorry but it is what i have witnessed.
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I have witnessed many many spelling errors there...But...I am sure if Ira were to duel a newb 2 minutes into the game she would lose. I did think it was odd that Kas was beaten as he is a really strong character after all, as you say. I don't see the point in pging. I play for the RP more than anything else and though being strong is not how Ira is supposed to be played it is how my orc is played and she isn't even that strong I bet.
I don't know if I'm an old or young player so lets call me middle aged.
Just because a character is "new" to the game it shouldn't mean he has no skills in anything. Unfortunately the game requires one to have the skills to be the character one claims to be. A "new" player cannot appear with a history of being a valiant warrior if he has to run away from flies and gets beaten up by every passing halfling.
Now you might say that Illarion is not about skills, and in some cases you're right. But Illarion is about roleplay. Can everyone who reads this honestly state that, if confronted by a "new, Mighty Warrior" player they would not fight back but let themselves be killed. I have seen farmers take on warriors and win, same thing with tailors and bakers.
I think my point is that you can't have it both ways. Either you roleplay, in which case, unless you're a mighty warrior too, you probably die. Or the Mighty warrior powergames until he's able to back up his claim, in which case you probably die. Now if you're both mighty warriors then the "best" one will nearly always win.
Unless of course you're saying that only long time players can be mighty warriors, wizards, tailors..... etc.
Just because a character is "new" to the game it shouldn't mean he has no skills in anything. Unfortunately the game requires one to have the skills to be the character one claims to be. A "new" player cannot appear with a history of being a valiant warrior if he has to run away from flies and gets beaten up by every passing halfling.
Now you might say that Illarion is not about skills, and in some cases you're right. But Illarion is about roleplay. Can everyone who reads this honestly state that, if confronted by a "new, Mighty Warrior" player they would not fight back but let themselves be killed. I have seen farmers take on warriors and win, same thing with tailors and bakers.
I think my point is that you can't have it both ways. Either you roleplay, in which case, unless you're a mighty warrior too, you probably die. Or the Mighty warrior powergames until he's able to back up his claim, in which case you probably die. Now if you're both mighty warriors then the "best" one will nearly always win.
Unless of course you're saying that only long time players can be mighty warriors, wizards, tailors..... etc.
(Yeah ira i know my spelling was bad i was typing fast)
Well any way willum also plays for the rp, but i supose my point is i have been playing for nearly a year now(my very first char is not willum by the way) and i worked hard to gain my lvls i mean i was not on for a wekk and became a master.
Sam: So if i am a new charecter and said he was the most powerfull worrior in his land would that give me the right to power game?? Well i belive there was a point made long ago by Val and ark that the game should almost be pure role play (role play in reason that is). That was a good idea.
I mean i walk around and all these new players that have not been on for more than a week are stronger than some of the strongest old players i mean come on.
Well any way willum also plays for the rp, but i supose my point is i have been playing for nearly a year now(my very first char is not willum by the way) and i worked hard to gain my lvls i mean i was not on for a wekk and became a master.
Sam: So if i am a new charecter and said he was the most powerfull worrior in his land would that give me the right to power game?? Well i belive there was a point made long ago by Val and ark that the game should almost be pure role play (role play in reason that is). That was a good idea.
I mean i walk around and all these new players that have not been on for more than a week are stronger than some of the strongest old players i mean come on.
Yes, exactly! Kasume is pumped because he's trained over a period of time, not just a week. You can claim to be a great warrior, but that does not mean you have to prove it your first day! My orc claimed to be strong when I first created her and she didn't prove it until just recently when she bested another really strong char in a friendly duel. I have taken my time to work up her skills and her rp.
No I'm not saying powergaming is a good thing. I'm saying it can be understandable in some cases.
Consider a new player who has a warrior charcter that is 40 years old. Don't you think he should be able to swat some flies, defend himself against viscious tailors?
You are complaining that your character got beaten by another character. You've not said anything about this other character but you have said that the player is new. It was the character that fought your character not the player. You haven't even mentoned if the other player roleplayed the fight correctly. Your only concern was that a new player had a character that could beat one of yours.
Consider a new player who has a warrior charcter that is 40 years old. Don't you think he should be able to swat some flies, defend himself against viscious tailors?
You are complaining that your character got beaten by another character. You've not said anything about this other character but you have said that the player is new. It was the character that fought your character not the player. You haven't even mentoned if the other player roleplayed the fight correctly. Your only concern was that a new player had a character that could beat one of yours.
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Rith Orion
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I would like to stick up for myself my skills are Parry-Novice...is that really powergamming for a week and half? And My concussion is Appertice? These are from the self-awearness book. So I don't see how I pged if my skills are still black and dark red.
Also Armour comes into play maybe you were wearing leather armour and I was wearing full knights armour.
Also Armour comes into play maybe you were wearing leather armour and I was wearing full knights armour.
Aye rith you have a point with the armour. Yet i still see tonz of new players with mad skills in such a short time.
And sam Rith was only one char my hobbit faced. The other was an orc (a new one thus this discusion) who made quick work of me. I have seen not only new orcs but new other chars as well get mad skill in a very short time.
This is what i am tring to bring to your attention. And yes its the player who is the one who controlls the char, so there for the player is also responsible for making the chars background story and thus makes his char o her char strong enough to back up that history in a short while......but i ask you is that right?? No realy if i make a char right now and make him lets say...ummm 30 and i make his background story umm he was a worrior of great skill, as i said befor that does not give me the right to power game to get his skills up high. My very first char in his history had killed a drow (that was part of his history) and yet when i first began with him i used rp reasons why he was out of pratise or not as strong because of something, there is always a way to rp why you are relitivly weak when you start out.
And sam Rith was only one char my hobbit faced. The other was an orc (a new one thus this discusion) who made quick work of me. I have seen not only new orcs but new other chars as well get mad skill in a very short time.
This is what i am tring to bring to your attention. And yes its the player who is the one who controlls the char, so there for the player is also responsible for making the chars background story and thus makes his char o her char strong enough to back up that history in a short while......but i ask you is that right?? No realy if i make a char right now and make him lets say...ummm 30 and i make his background story umm he was a worrior of great skill, as i said befor that does not give me the right to power game to get his skills up high. My very first char in his history had killed a drow (that was part of his history) and yet when i first began with him i used rp reasons why he was out of pratise or not as strong because of something, there is always a way to rp why you are relitivly weak when you start out.
Let me just quote something from the very first paragraph you see on the home page when you first show up at illarion.org.
I with you 100% Willum.
Whoa, what was that......let me read that again.llarion is a graphical medieval fantasy game that focuses on roleplaying, unlike other so-called rpg games such as Tibia and Runescape. This game is not about levelling up or hunting monsters. ........... This game is about roleplaying, which means you interact with other people and your environment as if you were a person in a real medieval fantasy world. .......... If you want to play a game where the objective is to level up and kill things or gain as much skill as possible, then this is not the game for you. This game is recommended for ages 16 and over. Read the game rules and name rules before you play, because you will be deleted if you break these.
I would say that pretty much explains it all.If you want to play a game where the objective is to level up and kill things or gain as much skill as possible, then this is not the game for you.
I with you 100% Willum.
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Moirear Sian
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On one hand, I wouldn't go so far and say Rith is a powergamer. I haven't watched his ig activities. With a knight's armor and a warhammer, it is thouroughly possible to beat the living hell out of someone who, say, is "only" master at something, even without grand skill. You see this kind of occurence with the double-axe pretty often now, don't you? Also, the character Rith could have high stats in strength and constitution. Not to mention he's a human and twice the size of a halfling, from the impression he made on me in the game.
On the other hand, judging from what I've read here so far, and from some short sparring between a char of mine and Rith ig, it does let me question what activities PO Rith let his character perform ig to gain such, let's say, decent combat abilities, in only one and a half weeks.
Anyway, everybody has their own views on these things.
This is from the rules, #9, Powergaming, though:
If Rith Orion has oustanding attributes for fighting, is armed like a living tank, and trains decently*, he's not necessarily powergaming.
Edit: * With all due respect, I personally believe that 1 1/2 weeks is too short of a time for those skill levels Rith has, but that's just me. Other players might say it's far from powergaming and just focused development - but I don't know the "standards", if there are any.
On the other hand, judging from what I've read here so far, and from some short sparring between a char of mine and Rith ig, it does let me question what activities PO Rith let his character perform ig to gain such, let's say, decent combat abilities, in only one and a half weeks.
Anyway, everybody has their own views on these things.
This is from the rules, #9, Powergaming, though:
In other words:Carrying out an action repeatedly, and for an extended time to raise your skill, is called Power gaming, and is forbidden. A worse case is when the player is doing something else to entertain him/her self meanwhile (e.g. watching tv). Note: Casting offensive spells on yourself will kill you instantly.
If Rith Orion has oustanding attributes for fighting, is armed like a living tank, and trains decently*, he's not necessarily powergaming.
Edit: * With all due respect, I personally believe that 1 1/2 weeks is too short of a time for those skill levels Rith has, but that's just me. Other players might say it's far from powergaming and just focused development - but I don't know the "standards", if there are any.
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Sain i hear what your trying to say and i respect your point of view, this topic does not only apply to rith because rith says he is a apprentice in concusion well than i believe him but i saw him ingame near the skeletons there were shields every where and he was alone at the time.
But the armour point might be right but as i said befor i am not only talking about rith.
But the armour point might be right but as i said befor i am not only talking about rith.
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Galim
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Even with knightarmor and the better weapon Rith shouldn't be able to win against Kasume or Willum with this skills.
Yes, in the last time many new characters appear who are very fast very strong and rich. But the strange is, the most of them have not much overpowered skilllevels for their age. but they are strong enough to win against the old, strong players. explanation could be that this new characters are perfectly made for fight. I mean their stats. While the older players still have their stats from older fightsystem days.
Say willum, have you for fight maxed stats? Or you Kasume? And what is with you rith?
Yes, in the last time many new characters appear who are very fast very strong and rich. But the strange is, the most of them have not much overpowered skilllevels for their age. but they are strong enough to win against the old, strong players. explanation could be that this new characters are perfectly made for fight. I mean their stats. While the older players still have their stats from older fightsystem days.
Say willum, have you for fight maxed stats? Or you Kasume? And what is with you rith?
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Mia Handur
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Armor and power gaming
Well then what I want to know is why Rith has full plate and such and then bellyaches about Kasume taking his to the point that I give him my only set of Chain that I owned. And then he said he has Full Knight plate?
Also he purchased many healing potions from me. Then when I finally asked him why he needed so many ha said becomeing a knight is hard.
Okay so what he did is killed skeletons till he couldn't stand anymore to power level up.
Know I know why you couldn't beat him.
Mia
Also he purchased many healing potions from me. Then when I finally asked him why he needed so many ha said becomeing a knight is hard.
Okay so what he did is killed skeletons till he couldn't stand anymore to power level up.
Know I know why you couldn't beat him.
Mia
He didn't beat me.
We matched.
And I was wearing plate.
As he smashed it with his warhammer.
I did it on purpose.
Although yes. Rith at his level should not have been able to take Kasume to that low of a point. I honestly remembering shaking my head in disbelief at the damage he was doing. Although remembering I was wearing plate.
Weapons vrs. Armour affects a lot. Which I find stupid. I literally find myself sometimes walking about with chainmail tucked in my bag and full plate on. Along with an axe and a concussion weapon. I stopped doing this because I would get encumbered after picking an apple.
Edit: Being maxed consitution and strength, I was never that strong within the first week of playing. As a reminder.
And no, my skills are not maxed Galim.
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): From the sounds of it, he was wearing chain. As I used a staff in our duel. Might explain a wholesome goodness.
We matched.
And I was wearing plate.
As he smashed it with his warhammer.
I did it on purpose.
Although yes. Rith at his level should not have been able to take Kasume to that low of a point. I honestly remembering shaking my head in disbelief at the damage he was doing. Although remembering I was wearing plate.
Weapons vrs. Armour affects a lot. Which I find stupid. I literally find myself sometimes walking about with chainmail tucked in my bag and full plate on. Along with an axe and a concussion weapon. I stopped doing this because I would get encumbered after picking an apple.
Edit: Being maxed consitution and strength, I was never that strong within the first week of playing. As a reminder.
And no, my skills are not maxed Galim.
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Looking from the point where Rith is not yet guilty of PG:
There is nothing stupid in in, there is just no superarmor or "Armorclass" that boosts your defense generally.
You can just defend yourself against specific damage kinds.
AC against Slash
AC against Conc
AC against Magic
AC against Death-Rays-comming-from-Darloks-Eyes
(woops, did I just spoiled a new feature?)
"Oh, I take to much damage/dont inflict enouth!" *click ... drag ... click*
"I have changed my armor or/and weapon, now I rox0r."
Are you actually seeing your opponent striking at you?
Thats exactly your mistake, you picked the wrong armor to counter the wrong weapon.Kasume wrote: I honestly remembering shaking my head in disbelief at the damage he was doing. Although remembering I was wearing plate.
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Weapons vrs. Armour affects a lot. Which I find stupid.
There is nothing stupid in in, there is just no superarmor or "Armorclass" that boosts your defense generally.
You can just defend yourself against specific damage kinds.
AC against Slash
AC against Conc
AC against Magic
AC against Death-Rays-comming-from-Darloks-Eyes
(woops, did I just spoiled a new feature?)
Oh boy, how I wish we could not change armors and weapons that quickly when engaged or engaging in battle.Kasume wrote: I literally find myself sometimes walking about with chainmail tucked in my bag and full plate on. Along with an axe and a concussion weapon.
"Oh, I take to much damage/dont inflict enouth!" *click ... drag ... click*
"I have changed my armor or/and weapon, now I rox0r."
Sluggish, slow and dumb, how do you expect to land a blow or even evade one ?Kasume wrote: Being maxed consitution and strength.
Are you actually seeing your opponent striking at you?
Maxing two stats only severely hurt one other stat to a low point.
Going to assume which that is Darlok?
The reason I find it stupid, is yes. People are going to do that sort of thing. Because it helps them best. PEOPLE DO IT. What's the point in seeing what your enemy is using exactly? There is none. So why bother examining your enemy. Just go into a fight.
But no, then you'll tell me to start examining my enemy before attacking them one day (It has happened).
Do not assume my attribute point distribution Darlok.
Nice to know that topics are changed just to insult me or find problems with my RP.
Going to assume which that is Darlok?
The reason I find it stupid, is yes. People are going to do that sort of thing. Because it helps them best. PEOPLE DO IT. What's the point in seeing what your enemy is using exactly? There is none. So why bother examining your enemy. Just go into a fight.
But no, then you'll tell me to start examining my enemy before attacking them one day (It has happened).
Do not assume my attribute point distribution Darlok.
Nice to know that topics are changed just to insult me or find problems with my RP.
Sorry that I hurt your little feeling, Kasy. *pets*
Shuh shuh, is everything fine again?
I am so sorry that I have assumed you have not took a natural distribution of attribute points in favour or an extreme distribution.
I'll never do it again, promise, little Kas.
By the way, I cant really see where you can take my post so personaly insulting.
May you enlighten me.
Shuh shuh, is everything fine again?
I am so sorry that I have assumed you have not took a natural distribution of attribute points in favour or an extreme distribution.
I'll never do it again, promise, little Kas.
By the way, I cant really see where you can take my post so personaly insulting.
May you enlighten me.
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Burlow Boinclod
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I do not know of this Rith, but i do know that i tried the fighting thing and the lumberjacking thing and got bored of it so i decided to just have allot of fun Rping and decided to RP a bunch of homeless people, then run about in a frenzy needing really silly things, things that most people throw on the ground to vanish, like shirt and pants and food. And getting the 10 ingots from lennier was fun, walking into the shop and saying " I need 10 ingots worth of clothes and food please" But the problem is, people say crazy stuff like "I see no children so there arent any...or I never saw a boat so how could you give bags to people at the dock." And the crazyest thing was, i never said it was in Greenbriar...expecially to brendan. If you check my posts I was all the time at the seahorse, people just figured since i was a hobbit, it was there.
I guess what im saying is, for those with no imagination...all thats left is the clicking on skeletons, and those who have imagination....soon give up cause no-one believes what there doing.
Homeless people in illarion? People come off boats? I never seen a child graphic character yet?
Out of sight out of mind i guess.
Just my two cents.
I guess what im saying is, for those with no imagination...all thats left is the clicking on skeletons, and those who have imagination....soon give up cause no-one believes what there doing.
Homeless people in illarion? People come off boats? I never seen a child graphic character yet?
Out of sight out of mind i guess.
Just my two cents.
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hey, i donated an amount of dresses which were 30 ingot worth. You want to say me noone will ever wear them 
. Hehe. Of course such childrens are just roleplayed. And yes...fantasy is needed. And it is sad that some peoples can't come up with that. why destroying it? It hurts noone, it was a nice idea, it gave greensbriar some meaning. and not just the emtpy isle it is today. i liked the idea, and it made alot of fun. and it makes fun to have a possibility like this to donate with his character and feels good.
it is sad that others want to destroy roleplayfun ig without fighting just because it doesn't fit what they want and beleife
. why not simply let such an orphanage excisting, it is alot of roleplay fun
. Hehe. Of course such childrens are just roleplayed. And yes...fantasy is needed. And it is sad that some peoples can't come up with that. why destroying it? It hurts noone, it was a nice idea, it gave greensbriar some meaning. and not just the emtpy isle it is today. i liked the idea, and it made alot of fun. and it makes fun to have a possibility like this to donate with his character and feels good.it is sad that others want to destroy roleplayfun ig without fighting just because it doesn't fit what they want and beleife
. why not simply let such an orphanage excisting, it is alot of roleplay fun
Well...I feel kinda bad saying this. But I am to attached to my stuff IG (I donated EVERYTHING I had except my chain armor and some clothing). I mean...my char thinks Burlow or Mia is getting extremely rich, and loaded with clothing and everything. And the PO knows it! 
I guess I am being selfish towards the RP
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Ok, I see this thread is going the same way as so many before it so I'll be brief.
I do not think it is right to powergame. I do understand why some people do it though.
Willum's complaint was not about bad RP but that a new character beat his character. This is skill related not RP related. RP would suggest a better warrior would beat a worse one. The fact that the player is new should have nothing to do with it. I have seen characters be rude to other characters just because they are new and therefore should be weaker. The tendency seems to be to look at the characters number, make sure its much higher than your characters, initiate combat and then cry foul if you get beaten. Why couldn't you just role play that you got beaten by a "better" fighter?
How to get around this is a whole new topic.
I do not think it is right to powergame. I do understand why some people do it though.
Willum's complaint was not about bad RP but that a new character beat his character. This is skill related not RP related. RP would suggest a better warrior would beat a worse one. The fact that the player is new should have nothing to do with it. I have seen characters be rude to other characters just because they are new and therefore should be weaker. The tendency seems to be to look at the characters number, make sure its much higher than your characters, initiate combat and then cry foul if you get beaten. Why couldn't you just role play that you got beaten by a "better" fighter?
How to get around this is a whole new topic.
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History
Perhaps you should study the history that they do NOT teach you in school.
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rp
Insane is not taking care of folks who have nothing.
Insane is assuming these folks do not exist.
Insane is assuming these folks do not exist.
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