I feel like a tattle tale, but I just began rping again after an absense and this is what happened to me.....
Moskher, Willum, and Quin were sitting by a fire when an orc ( 27476, Grigar or something like that ) appeared and for no reason pushed Willum into the fire. I #me "Quinasa takes swings her axe through the fire at the orc" and he runs. Ok fine, so we sit there together and this orc woman, ( 28724, Turonga i think ) came and accused us of casting in town, which we did, but she stood and watched while Moskher got pushed into the fire by the male orc with NO #me warning or explaination at the time. Moskher crossed and the orc stole his things, running around while Quin chased him attempting to avenge her friend's death and the female orc attacked Quin, but ran off when Quin tried to defend herself against the attack. There was no RP here, it all just happened. For my part and for WIllum's while Moskher was on the way to the cross and back we #me'd and rp'd it out anyway but the other two attacked randomly and ran when their attacks were reciprocated. So here we have these two orcs who didn't rp anything interrupting in our gameplay and we gave them warning and still the pursued to ruin the game for us. Is there anything that can be done about this bad RP? It's a pain to come back from an absense to find this kind of thing happening.
Please if there is anything I forget add it on for me. I'm too angry to think right now. As for my part I'm going to take a deep breath and go back in game, ignoring the existance of these two until I get word on what, if anything, will be happening. I refuse to acknowledge the existance of those who are out to do nothing but ruin this for me or anyone else.
-Jaime
Bad RP, GM please help
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Moskher Heszche
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I don't even understand why he attacked me. If he was attacking because someone casted in town, it wasn't me who casted. If he attacked because someone attacked him, it wasn't me who attacked.
It normally wouldn't bother me so much, but my character died not because his character was powerful and my character deserved it for being a weakling (usually the case); instead my character died because I (the player) didn't have time to react. I was reading the roleplaying going on and my character was more than half dead before I realized something was going on on the screen.
These kind of situations ruin a full night's worth of roleplaying, because all involved are angry and yelling at eachother OOC when they should be enjoying the game instead. Why someone would derive pleasure out of this sort of situation is beyond me.
If the player of the orc is new, I suppose I can understand. I'd like an apology, but I'm not going to go to the point of hunting him down angrily and making sure I get one. It's not like I lost anything of value out of this, other than a night's worth of fun roleplay. I'd also like an assurance that this won't happen again.
It's quite easy to make someone realize your intent, instead of abusing the system. This is how it should have went:
#me draws his (axe/polearm/sword/electric screwdriver)
#me rushes forward attempting to push Moskher into the flames
Even better, you could have given me even a slight reason to understand why you attacked. I can't figure out a reason, so we'll say your character says before the above #me commands, "Greebas! Me hates mens who wears hats! Now me wills feed you to the swines!"
Well, that's my two cents.
--Mitch
It normally wouldn't bother me so much, but my character died not because his character was powerful and my character deserved it for being a weakling (usually the case); instead my character died because I (the player) didn't have time to react. I was reading the roleplaying going on and my character was more than half dead before I realized something was going on on the screen.
These kind of situations ruin a full night's worth of roleplaying, because all involved are angry and yelling at eachother OOC when they should be enjoying the game instead. Why someone would derive pleasure out of this sort of situation is beyond me.
If the player of the orc is new, I suppose I can understand. I'd like an apology, but I'm not going to go to the point of hunting him down angrily and making sure I get one. It's not like I lost anything of value out of this, other than a night's worth of fun roleplay. I'd also like an assurance that this won't happen again.
It's quite easy to make someone realize your intent, instead of abusing the system. This is how it should have went:
#me draws his (axe/polearm/sword/electric screwdriver)
#me rushes forward attempting to push Moskher into the flames
Even better, you could have given me even a slight reason to understand why you attacked. I can't figure out a reason, so we'll say your character says before the above #me commands, "Greebas! Me hates mens who wears hats! Now me wills feed you to the swines!"
Well, that's my two cents.
--Mitch
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I remember Quin using lots of #me functions on the chase i was using not as many as quin but still using some i believe. the female orc i can understand for trying to defened her friend that i have no prob with the thing i do have a problem with is being pushed into casted flames with out cause i think quin said what happed in good detail.
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Moskher Heszche
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The only #me I would have needed was "#me dies." I didn't get an attack in, and nobody did until after my character was already dead.
Therein lies the problem. There couldn't have been any reaction to me getting attacked, only a reaction to me being crossed. That's where the usefulness of #me's comes in and especially having a roleplayed reason for attacking someone, something that your character's friend did not.
If he would have attacked Quinasa, with the appropriate #me's, it would have made sense, because she casted the flame and she also attacked him earlier.
If he would have attacked Willum, that could have made sense, because Willum threatened to kill him after he tossed Willum into the fire earlier (again with no provocation and no rp. Willum didn't even know who tossed him into the fire until moments later!).
But when he attacked me, my character was an anonymous bystander. You can't say that he confused me for Quinasa or Willum, because their characters are respectively an elf and a halfling. So, why was this fight initiated in the first?
The fact that I play a more or less pascifistic character and can often go weeks if not months with not a single fight and then simply have an orc run up out of nowhere and kill me with no roleplaying, brings into question what his motives are. If he had no motives, and it definately seems like that is the case, then he's not roleplaying. Period. This is a violation, no matter which way you cut it.
Therein lies the problem. There couldn't have been any reaction to me getting attacked, only a reaction to me being crossed. That's where the usefulness of #me's comes in and especially having a roleplayed reason for attacking someone, something that your character's friend did not.
If he would have attacked Quinasa, with the appropriate #me's, it would have made sense, because she casted the flame and she also attacked him earlier.
If he would have attacked Willum, that could have made sense, because Willum threatened to kill him after he tossed Willum into the fire earlier (again with no provocation and no rp. Willum didn't even know who tossed him into the fire until moments later!).
But when he attacked me, my character was an anonymous bystander. You can't say that he confused me for Quinasa or Willum, because their characters are respectively an elf and a halfling. So, why was this fight initiated in the first?
The fact that I play a more or less pascifistic character and can often go weeks if not months with not a single fight and then simply have an orc run up out of nowhere and kill me with no roleplaying, brings into question what his motives are. If he had no motives, and it definately seems like that is the case, then he's not roleplaying. Period. This is a violation, no matter which way you cut it.
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). Any questions..sure I can answer it to my own true logs and senses-
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Girgars board account thing does not work so this is what he told me
He said that someone was attacking him with out rp with arrows apperently and he thought it was the man so he said something, I think it was "Steps forward pushing the man" (neither him or I save the logs so he/I wouldnt remember) then he killed him and found out it was the girl (or another char) who attacked him.
This info might be wrong I dont know.
He said that someone was attacking him with out rp with arrows apperently and he thought it was the man so he said something, I think it was "Steps forward pushing the man" (neither him or I save the logs so he/I wouldnt remember) then he killed him and found out it was the girl (or another char) who attacked him.
This info might be wrong I dont know.
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Moskher Heszche
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That he used a #me is an outright lie. We all have the logs, they're saved automatically in your character's folder.
This is the log file:
! Willum moves to put his arm around abigale.
! Turonga: dat one?
Someone (27476): blue
Someone (27476): !
Someone (27476): kindof cold
Someone (57039) chuckles, and lays her head to rest on his shoulder, somewhat afraid of the flames.
(As we can see, no combat is happening here. This is where the combat begins, starting with Turonga yelling at Quinasa.)
! Turonga: yous nub cast in town!
(At this point, the orc runs up and attacks me, for no apparent reason, pushing me into the flames. Thinking, because there was no roleplaying involved, that this was some kind of orc practical joke, my character backs up and says:)
Moskher Heszche: Fool!
(That's when the orc, again with no roleplaying, attacks me and finishes me off.)
Moskher Heszche: Walk to the YELLOW CROSS to get resurrected !
(As a result of the lack of roleplaying, all of us were at different states of knowing what was going on.)
! Willum: DAmn orc stop!
Lady Quinasa passes her hand slowly through the fire, ignoring the female orc trying to tell her what to do.
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All text, except that which is in parenthesis to explain what was going on at the time (since, once again, there was no roleplaying to explain the situation) is unedited and in the order in which it happened, with no spaces in between.
For said player to say that he roleplayed anything would be an outright lie. Even if the being hit with arrows scenario did happen, which he's already given us good reason to doubt, it's no excuse to continue bad roleplaying with yet more bad roleplaying.
Because his character would have been able to see the trajectory of the arrows, he could have come over and asked, "who hit me with arrows?," but he chose not to. If someone refused to tell him, he could have said OOC "((No. Really. I would have seen the trajectory. Who did my character see hit me with arrows?))." If the situation escalated without an explanation, it's time to leave the game and report to the GMs.
Instead of the above, even though I believe the sniper attack scenario to be not much more than pure baloney, he chose to take out his OOC problem In-game on a random character. This is a big violation of the rules.
--Mitch
P.S. Because I feel that this will be brought up sooner or later, here are some more logs:
(Here is an earlier example of the orc pushing Willum in with no rp. He had to ask "Who pushed me?" to which the orc replyed in-character "Are you blind?" Of course, he's blind, because there was no rp involved and he couldn't possibley "see" what happened. Again, you see the result that not everyone was quite sure what was going on, so they continued rp as usual. This is the result of not roleplaying.)
Lady Quinasa frowns at the insult.
Lady Quinasa: I did it on purpose
Lady Quinasa pouts.
Moskher Heszche: Quite a fire you have going there, Quinasa.
! Willum: who pushed me
! Willum: ?
Lady Quinasa blushes.
Someone (27476): are you blind?
Lady Quinasa: I like fire
Someone (27476): waht kind of dumb question is that?
(Finally, moments later, the orc actually roleplays pushing Willum into the fire, after already taking his first cheap shot of the day.)
Someone (27476) trys to push the hafling into the fire.
! Willum ets pushed in.
(Below are a few examples of Quinasa and Willum using #me commands to roleplay their fighting, even though I was at the cross for most of the battle.)
Lady Quinasa swings her axe thru the fire at teh orc beyond.
! Willum gets out and unlatches his staff.
Lady Quinasa sets the weapon back in front of her.
(And below is an example of just pure stupidity)
Someone (27476): human cuts me with no armore on my body
(We didn't initiate the battle, sunshine. No use trying to guilt trip us when you're running around pushing people into flames for no rp reason.)
This is the log file:
! Willum moves to put his arm around abigale.
! Turonga: dat one?
Someone (27476): blue
Someone (27476): !
Someone (27476): kindof cold
Someone (57039) chuckles, and lays her head to rest on his shoulder, somewhat afraid of the flames.
(As we can see, no combat is happening here. This is where the combat begins, starting with Turonga yelling at Quinasa.)
! Turonga: yous nub cast in town!
(At this point, the orc runs up and attacks me, for no apparent reason, pushing me into the flames. Thinking, because there was no roleplaying involved, that this was some kind of orc practical joke, my character backs up and says:)
Moskher Heszche: Fool!
(That's when the orc, again with no roleplaying, attacks me and finishes me off.)
Moskher Heszche: Walk to the YELLOW CROSS to get resurrected !
(As a result of the lack of roleplaying, all of us were at different states of knowing what was going on.)
! Willum: DAmn orc stop!
Lady Quinasa passes her hand slowly through the fire, ignoring the female orc trying to tell her what to do.
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All text, except that which is in parenthesis to explain what was going on at the time (since, once again, there was no roleplaying to explain the situation) is unedited and in the order in which it happened, with no spaces in between.
For said player to say that he roleplayed anything would be an outright lie. Even if the being hit with arrows scenario did happen, which he's already given us good reason to doubt, it's no excuse to continue bad roleplaying with yet more bad roleplaying.
Because his character would have been able to see the trajectory of the arrows, he could have come over and asked, "who hit me with arrows?," but he chose not to. If someone refused to tell him, he could have said OOC "((No. Really. I would have seen the trajectory. Who did my character see hit me with arrows?))." If the situation escalated without an explanation, it's time to leave the game and report to the GMs.
Instead of the above, even though I believe the sniper attack scenario to be not much more than pure baloney, he chose to take out his OOC problem In-game on a random character. This is a big violation of the rules.
--Mitch
P.S. Because I feel that this will be brought up sooner or later, here are some more logs:
(Here is an earlier example of the orc pushing Willum in with no rp. He had to ask "Who pushed me?" to which the orc replyed in-character "Are you blind?" Of course, he's blind, because there was no rp involved and he couldn't possibley "see" what happened. Again, you see the result that not everyone was quite sure what was going on, so they continued rp as usual. This is the result of not roleplaying.)
Lady Quinasa frowns at the insult.
Lady Quinasa: I did it on purpose
Lady Quinasa pouts.
Moskher Heszche: Quite a fire you have going there, Quinasa.
! Willum: who pushed me
! Willum: ?
Lady Quinasa blushes.
Someone (27476): are you blind?
Lady Quinasa: I like fire
Someone (27476): waht kind of dumb question is that?
(Finally, moments later, the orc actually roleplays pushing Willum into the fire, after already taking his first cheap shot of the day.)
Someone (27476) trys to push the hafling into the fire.
! Willum ets pushed in.
(Below are a few examples of Quinasa and Willum using #me commands to roleplay their fighting, even though I was at the cross for most of the battle.)
Lady Quinasa swings her axe thru the fire at teh orc beyond.
! Willum gets out and unlatches his staff.
Lady Quinasa sets the weapon back in front of her.
(And below is an example of just pure stupidity)
Someone (27476): human cuts me with no armore on my body
(We didn't initiate the battle, sunshine. No use trying to guilt trip us when you're running around pushing people into flames for no rp reason.)
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