Citizens Party - Proklamation

Trystan Gravstyn · Post by **Trystan Gravstyn** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:14 pm

Since Lyrenzia is no more, and those three people "Fedaykin","Lennier", and "John Irenicus" try to rule our town, it is up to us to say "NO!" to this dictatorship. The town should be ruled by the citizens and not by the Grey Rose or the Townguard. I do not want to speak about their reputation here but everyone knows, some of them are corrupt and even act against their own law.

Gather, and send me your message to support freedom!

So this will be the new government of Troll's Bane:

1.
Troll's Bane is ruled by five citizens. All citizens and guilds have the possibility to vote for the government, the five people with the most vote become leaders for one month.

2.
The function of a court is taken over by the five members government.

3.
Three votes within the new government are sufficient for a decision.

4.
A new SMACC-council will be set up, which will act independantly of the individual cities.

5.
The list of citizens of Lyrenzia will be taken over as it is, for the largest part. However, the citizens of Silverbrand and Greenbriar were removed from it.

6.
Every one of the five members of the new government has the right to announce substitutes.

7.
The law is made by the five leaders and not by the socalled "Townguard" or the Grey Rose. The Townguard has to follow the leaders law.

When we do not act today, the town is maybe lost! Gather against the dictators! Freedom for the citizens!

~Trystan~

Dravish · Post by **Dravish** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:16 pm

You have my support.

Dravish

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:18 pm

My support too. And John, it would be unfair and against your own law to ban me for this.

~Misjbar~

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:21 pm

They are not forcing you to be apart of Trolls Bane you idiots.

-Kasume-

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:23 pm

No, but who said they will stop after Troll's Bane?

~Misjbar~

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:25 pm

Support Trystan and you support the evil and the darkness. You will feel the punishment of the good ones of this isle. You will have to live with the results of your blindness. No follower, associate or nominal member will be accepted and respected by the good ones of this isle. By the ones who don't believe in evil and darkness.

You will feel what it means to be an enemy of the living ones. Irmorom's hammer of righteousness will smite the poisoned essences and the evil minded.

For THIS you can be banned, because you stand on the side of evil and the enemys of town. You should better understand that.

Galim
Bishop of Silverbrand

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:27 pm

Why are you meddling in affairs that should not even be your business. Go hide underground in Silverbrand, little gnome. Go make yourself another fire-axe, so you can murder a little more. Alright, I was being sarcastic there, but please keep your useless comments away. Atleast give constructive critisism.

~Misjbar~

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:27 pm

Why are you meddling in affairs that should not even be your business. Go hide underground in Silverbrand, little gnome. Go make yourself another fire-axe, so you can murder a little more. Alright, I was being sarcastic there, but please keep your useless comments away. Atleast give constructive critisism.

~Misjbar~

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:29 pm

When have the three given you a thought they seeked absolute power?

There are other factions of guilds that are not apart of this. Meaning that there are people available to stand against them if needed.

You all write for nothing.

-Kasume-

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:30 pm

That you don't understand it why I meddling here is a very good proof for your incompetence as a priest

Galim
Bishop of Silverbrand

Ferrari Swifteye · Post by **Ferrari Swifteye** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:32 pm

oh dear Im sorry Galim the all knowing Im an in complete favor of Triumvant because you say so. Galim, Why dont you put a lump of coal in it and shut up.

you have my Supprt Trystan.

Ferrari Swifteye

Trystan Gravstyn · Post by **Trystan Gravstyn** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:32 pm

Galim. It is a fact that in every of your messages on this board you insult someone of the "opposite" party, instead of making construct critizism or at least think about your own words.

Still i wait for good arguements to not let the citizens rule the town themself.

~Trystan~

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:34 pm

Personally, the day I see the people yelling and screaming. Boxes walking on their own.

I do not want the citizens making choices.
Most are insane.

-Kasume-

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:34 pm

Incompetence...a hard word for a dwarf isn't it? Well, incompetence is not mine, it is yours. For you do not live by the standards Irmorom has given you. I thought you were a peacefull priest, and lived to serve your god, and his interests. I guess I thought wrong...

~Misjbar~

Kaja Wolfagen · Post by **Kaja Wolfagen** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:34 pm

Either John or Irenicus should have a say, not both.. and two citizens be voted. I not be citizen, this just be me thoughts.

Kaja Wolfagen
Shamen & Elder of Bloodskulls

Shaah Shenosss · Post by **Shaah Shenosss** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:36 pm

Finally, someone see's the true root of all evil on this island. Let's fight the Grey Rose and their corrupt friends.

- L.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:44 pm

Trystan, I don't discuss anything with the evil. All you will get is the feeling of my hammer.

Misjbar, someone who have that low knowledge about the gods like you should better be quiet and read some holy books.

I said what I wanted to say about this topic. I will head to the temple and pray for the isle and the souls of the good ones. May this attempt of the evil side, of the evil powers to threat the living ones and the isle don't have sucess.

Galim
Bishop of Silverbrand

Igorath Demian · Post by **Igorath Demian** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:44 pm

As Galim already said, if you suport Trystan you will support an evil liveforn, which shouldn't live in this world. We should fight such creatures and don't help them!

Igorath Demian, Priest of Elara

Masquerade · Post by **Masquerade** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:50 pm

Where does Galim's loyalty lie? Shouldn't he be a member of Silverbrand alone? If Greenbriar is excluded from this, why isn't Silverbrand? This is only another way for the dwarves to line the pockets on their fat bottoms.

~unsigned~

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:53 pm

Silverbrand is excluded. And Silverrband has nothing against a free town without the influence of Silverrband.

Galim
Bishop of Silverbrand

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:55 pm

Again a bad handwriting appearce.

How can you say that Galim? You're not the king nor the vice!

Amelie E.

Masquerade · Post by **Masquerade** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:55 pm

Is that so? Then their little citizen Galim should shut his mouth! Let us deside, go strike a rock.

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:00 pm

Galim writes his own view, all are entitled to think. So keep you words unwritten unless they are constructive, keep your bickering to your speech not your writing.

Aristeaus
The Concubius

Djironnyma · Post by **Djironnyma** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:07 pm

Peopel of trolls bane, dear Misjbar,
it is a fact that lyrenzia is broken down. A secound fact is, that the rose and the guard ever fight against evil and protect the town. We eleves ever thing human politic is strange, but i doenst see any reason to speak against this new Gouverment. So Misjbar please be neutral.
I for my part wish the new Gouverment of trolls bane best Luck.

Elder Djironnyma of the Elves

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:19 pm

Certainly Djironnyma,

I thought I could steer the humans the right way, but I guess my attempts are futile. From now on I will keep on neutral ground, as the five define neutral.

~Misjbar~

Loki Feuerhaar · Post by **Loki Feuerhaar** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:26 pm

Greetings my kind,

I cannot truely agree with you dearest Djironnyma, yet alone the number of 3 shows me clearly that great imbalance has be cast upon this town at the people that live in it.
Thus this also affects us, for this very moment.

Many citizen ask themself why the townguard and the guild of the Grey Rose have guaranteed seats in this imbalanced and unshaped "cricle" of three.
Why dont have others too? Just because the Grey Rose, who split from the true meaning of the Grey Way long ago, fights against "evil" ?
Doesnt other guilds have done the same in thier past or still intend to do ?

On the other side, the solution presented here, just creates an imbalance almost similar to the Triumvirat and will not find my support either.
But at least, there are no guarantes for special groups in it.
So in its very own imbalance it treats everyone equal.

Sorrows crossed my mind after I saw this development, and I do not like the saddness that takes over me.
I need to see the calm waves of balance again.

May the Five cast happieness upon us.
Yours,
Loki Feuerhaar.

Djironnyma · Post by **Djironnyma** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:31 pm

Greetings again,

sure it isnt in ouer eyes the best way. But Please think about two things. First, a strong democratic Gouverment of all Guilds and peopel off trolls bane failed, Lyrenzia. Second, that isnt ouer affiar, so i think it is bette we be neutral.

Elder Djironnyma

Loki Feuerhaar · Post by **Loki Feuerhaar** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:38 pm

My respect to you Djironnyma,

of course I do understand that the short living races need to find thier solutions very quickly for being able to react at the problems they have.
Thier lack in forecasting is impressive.

However the main agrument is not why not having such a goverment, even when its imbalanced form would repel all elves, but why having a goverment where already two of three possible parts are pre-determined.

With all possible respect, but as long we walk the streets of this town, it is our affair.
And even most of us are considered citizens of this town.

Maybe the time has come to chose the lesser evil.

May the grey light of the Five shine eternal.
Yours,
Loki Feuerhaar

Djironnyma · Post by **Djironnyma** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:54 pm

My respect to you too, Loki Feuerhaar,

The Rose and the Guard are not ever the same. Think about the discotation about the Liszard guard Shukk and von Rabenfels resign. Maybe more votet cirkel members will be better, but in consideration that in near future we elves will live most time in ouer one village, i think it isnt ouer affiar, even it is at the moment ouer, we must watch in future, and i for my part doenst take the right to speak against a gouverment, with which i havent direct in near future anything to do.

The five with you, Elder Djironnyma

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:24 pm

It is, at the moment, our affair.

I suggest that this council of three should grow by at least two more publically elected persons. This way, the public can identify much better with the new government. Balance must be kept.
Additionally, there is the necessarity to call a town mayor into duty. This, should be the first duty of the cirle.

May the grey light enlighten the path, so the five can lead us to balance and harmony.

-Damien