names.dat-Editor

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:24 am

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Have you ever been disturbed by long names of chars or the exclamation mark if you used the !name-Command? It's time to say "Good Bye" to these situations.
After a night ful of work (;)) it is finished, the original Illarion names.dat Editor!
You can download it here. I hope you enjoy.

If you want to offer it on your website, please send me an e-mail in order to get the newest version of it.

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Wurdest du schon immer von langen Namen von chars oder den Ausrufezeichen bei Benutzung des !name-Befehls geärgert? Es ist Zeit, "Auf Wiedersehen" zu diesen Situationen zu sagen.
Nach einer arbeitsreichen Nacht (;)) ist er hier, der original Illarion names.dat Editor!

Ihr könnt ihn hier herunterladen. Ich hoffe, er gefällt euch.

Wenn ihn auf eurer Webseite anbieten wollt, schickt mir bitte eine E-Mail, um immer die neueste Version zu erhalten.

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:58 pm

WOW, thanks =)

I dont know how you did it, but thanks a lot

Unfortunatly, school starts soon, so i cannot make the website. Ill have soem free time eventualy, so if there is still no website, let me know

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:00 pm

WOW, thank you for that offer. There isn't a web site, it would be very nice of you if you could make it.

(By the way: It would be perfect if I could edit the site [If you would give me the account data])

School starts at Thursday here. I hope I get nice teachers again.

Yours,
PO Rackere Diplomatre

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:02 pm

By the way... Can the programmers tell me what the first two bytes are for? I thought they are $0C$00 everytime. Is that right?

Cassandra Fjurin · Post by **Cassandra Fjurin** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:09 pm

Sorry to say that. But i dont like the idea that everyone can manipulate the names.dat this made it for example possible to fake logs. This is the reason why i uncluded the ! before the name, by the name command.

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:13 pm

Hm... that's right... But you can also fake logs by hand...

By the way, I like the !s. So I can see who introduced himself to me and who didn't. But for some chars, e.g. Shukk who introduces herself to nobody, is it good to be able to delete the !.

Shi'voc · Post by **Shi'voc** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:21 pm

the next client version will simply prevent this kind of tempering.
and thanks to you it won't be possible to import the old files (because they may have been tempered with).

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:03 pm

Why shouldn't we be able to edit the files? Think of Kaja. He introduced himself to Rackere and has a really long name with all titles from the Bloodskulls etc. ... If I wanted to talk to him it should be shorter... So I programmed this.

And who would fake logs and why? And who especially would fake the names.dat to fake some logs?

If it is so important that nobody edits his files simply delete this topic fast, I deleted the URL. But please give the possibility that people can import the old ones.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:07 pm

Yes, the titles are very annoying.
Some need restrictions on their lengths... *cough*Nilo*cough*

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:29 pm

Many people have too long of a title, an unnessesary title at that

so...shall i assume i dont need to make a website for this fine product?
heh

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:33 pm

You lose your names its your own fault. I've had the same unedited names.dat for 1 year and 7 months. I've switched computers twice, wiped my hardrive twice, and switched hardrives once. Its not as tough as it may sound, it will fit on a floppy, so you don't need a cd burner.

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:37 pm

Gro'bul wrote:You lose your names its your own fault. I've had the same unedited names.dat for 1 year and 7 months. I've switched computers twice, wiped my hardrive twice, and switched hardrives once. Its not as tough as it may sound, it will fit on a floppy, so you don't need a cd burner.

chchmm... wrong thread

Drogla wrote:Many people have too long of a title, an unnessesary title at that

so...shall i assume i dont need to make a website for this fine product?
heh

It seems so... GMs, what would you say?

Neonfire · Post by **Neonfire** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:29 pm

How about setting the commands !prefix and !suffix to GM-only and resetting all titles? ... It's not that I dislike all titles, but some are just annoying. How about getting titles for real ingame activity or quest participation?

I like my idea

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:37 pm

Nice idea... But did you think about us?

They introduced themselves. Their names are saved in our files. Sure, they could introduce again but that would be more annoying than using my little program I worked hard for during a night.

May I re-put the URLs into my first message?

All my respect with you, but why shouldn't we be able to edit it? Do you really think of faking logs which are saved in plain text? Be honest, THAT isn't the problem, but what is it really?

Neonfire · Post by **Neonfire** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:39 am

Sure, the titles are saved on your harddisk. But if the client refuses to read them, the titles are useless ...

Sure, a names.dat editor is a nice idea, but the whole Illarion team takes no responsibility at all for this 3rd party tool ...

Why you shouldn't be able to edit your titles? ... Easy solution: it makes a title more valuable. Currently everybody can make himself a king/herself a queen. Several examples show abuse as well.

It may be useful to edit some titles, I admit that. But nonetheless, I learned to live with seeing some stupid titles above some people's heads.

Moirear Sian · Post by **Moirear Sian** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:56 am

Neonfire wrote:It may be useful to edit some titles, I admit that. But nonetheless, I learned to live with seeing some stupid titles above some people's heads.

Yes. I'm sometimes rather annoyed, even as someone who's only been playing a month. There are a few I understand and appreciate, as it helps the RP a bit when interacting with those characters - a good example of the use imho is "Bishop Galim". Then there are... others.

I can live without the "freedom" of !prefix, !suffix, simply because the price it tolls, is too high for my taste. I'd prefer it if this was GM-controlled in future, but that's just me. This might be a good subject for a poll: two choices, yes or no, in regards to taking this function out of player hands.

Phelix Vierwind · Post by **Phelix Vierwind** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:32 pm

In this case I would vote for: YES, take the possibility away from players hands and into some serious GM hands.

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:14 pm

Neonfire wrote:Sure, a names.dat editor is a nice idea, but the whole Illarion team takes no responsibility at all for this 3rd party tool ...

Of cause, nobody wanted you to take responsibility. I should add this to the product desciption in the first post.
And of cause I think that wanting you to make an own Editor is as false as wanting you to take responsibility for a 3rd party product.

I don't know if it's possible to re-add the URLs, if I write into the first post AND into program (everytime it starts) that everybody uses this program on his own risk and responsibility and that the Illarion-team hasn't anything to do with it.
Perhaps you can tell me. I tested it on bugs and there aren't any.

Moirear Sian wrote:This might be a good subject for a poll: two choices, yes or no, in regards to taking this function out of player hands.

YES!

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:30 pm

I'm torn on the use of titles. Some players can't be trusted to use it appropriately and have some ridiculous titles, yet some guilds give their members titles, and these are usually used well. Not to mention other people using titles eg. 'Novice Galim' as a good example. Not too long.

Perhaps each guild leader could be allowed to change the title of the characters in their guild (and of course any abuse will have consequenses) and any other character not of a guild that wishes to have a title will have to PM a GM, perhaps?

I like the idea of having titles, though I don't tend to use them too much at the moment. It's only a minority of people who abuse titles, the rest use them properly, or not at all.

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:44 pm

I also like the use of !prefix and !suffix at Kalhan. Kalhan is now "Rand Kalhan Al'Vega" which is a good name. But I think we're going OT, don't we?

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:46 pm

Rand Kalhan Al'Vega is with me Supreme SilverKnight Rand Kalhan Al'Vega

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:53 pm

Hm... I don't have the "Silverknight"...

OK... Kalhan isn't a good example

Give the ability to use !prefix and !suffix to the GMs!

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:17 am

So, I want this to be clear. May I re-put the URLs? There's a disclaimer both in my first posting and in the program.

You (the GMs) can also PM me and have a look at it.

martin · Post by **martin** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:33 am

Actually, there was noone saying that you are not allowed to do that.
If so, someone would have deleted your posting entirely.

With the next client release, the possibility to do that will be removed. That's it.

Martin

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:09 pm

Rackere could you re-introduce yourself to Aristeaus

The Supreme silver knight etc etc is a bit annoying

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:56 pm

How about a simple restriction in the number of characters used?

For some chars title changing is important. Some people use that to add last names ot first names. Travel aliases for criminals.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:26 pm

The name of a character is what you type at the login.

!prefix and !suffix where added only to be able to gain or change titles.

"Lord ... of Cromstine" for example.

If you are using it to change your name, then you are actualy abusing a feature.
To change the name of a character, to add a first or last name to him or her, use the email which the staff provided us.

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:20 pm

Thank you, point taken.

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:01 pm

Darlok wrote:To change the name of a character, to add a first or last name to him or her, use the email which the staff provided us.

I asked via email to have my name changed from Drogla to Drogla Dreglo, but was told it was only for people who had names in violation of the name rules, so i added my last name with !suffix

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:05 pm

This is why you think about your character's name before you create them.