money

Zare · Post by **Zare** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:08 pm

OK, I've always thought that the abundance of gold in Illarion was kinda strange. I think that gold should be rare, and somebody should be lucky to even see one. A gold coin should be treasured, but instead 20 or even 50 of them are treated as small change, and is thrown around like its no big deal. Then there are these gold ingots, which are worth 250 gold coins. Again, this should of been very rare. But with these new ingots, worth 10,000 gold, then I must draw the line there. Things are getting kinda silly.

Anyway, my proposal is that we get rid of all the ingots, and instead add two new coins; copper and silver. One silver coin will be worth 250 copper coins, and one gold coin should be worth 40 silver coins. So, basically, the money system will be the same, but just with different names and graphics. I don't know very much about programming or graphics-making, but this shouldn't be too complicated, should it?

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:10 pm

Anyway, my proposal is that we get rid of all the ingots, and instead add two new coins; copper and silver. One silver coin will be worth 250 copper coins, and one gold coin should be worth 40 silver coins. So, basically, the money system will be the same, but just with different names and graphics. I don't know very much about programming or graphics-making, but this shouldn't be too complicated, should it?

I don't think this would be too complicated to do.
But maybe pointless? You're just changing the name and graphics of something.

Makes more sense though. It's like how they did it in Dark Age of Camelot. Realistic.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:03 pm

Wouldn't that mean that gold coins suddenly become copper? Wouldn't that be a littleodd, everyone's gold suddenly transmuting into copper?

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:04 pm

Dónal Mason wrote:Wouldn't that mean that gold coins suddenly become copper? Wouldn't that be a littleodd, everyone's gold suddenly transmuting into copper?

It's magic.
What more explanation do you need?

Keunthus · Post by **Keunthus** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:06 pm

Wouldn't that make goldsmithing getting alot more money?
Or should they change name to "coppersmithing"?
The system is fine as it is. Steel should be worth more than gold thought.
Think after it: Do you want a gold arrow or a steelarrow? Mayby that they make steelfcoins. But the system they have now is fine. Gold coins isn't that rare in this world.

Edit: I they make copper, mayby they make copper worth more than gold? I have seen alot gold, but not much copper.

Zare · Post by **Zare** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:10 pm

I they make copper, mayby they make copper worth more than gold? I have seen alot gold, but not much copper.

Thats exactly the point, a little strange, isn't it?

Steel should be worth more than gold thought.
Think after it: Do you want a gold arrow or a steelarrow? Mayby that they make steelfcoins

Steel is more common than gold, thats why they don't hesitate to make something out of it

Kincent Nolatri · Post by **Kincent Nolatri** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:10 pm

Dónal Mason wrote:Wouldn't that mean that gold coins suddenly become copper? Wouldn't that be a littleodd, everyone's gold suddenly transmuting into copper?

Yeah but we all woke up one day and everything was different....Derinoar woke up and his Jalvin/staff was a sheep hearding staff

I like this idea to tell you the truth makes things seem more real.Though i will miss the ingots..i barely ever earned

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:53 pm

Steel is more common than gold, thats why they don't hesitate to make something out of it

Gold is much more maliable and weaker then steel, that is why they dont make it either.

Belegi · Post by **Belegi** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:11 pm

Concernig steel / gold:

There were times in history when iron (do not talk about steel, usual iron alloys used in medivial times would not be called steel today due to their high content of carbon) was much more valuable then gold. Gold is a noble metal you can find in rivers or mines, but iron is not noble, so you have to process ore to have some. These steps and the fact that only ore from meteors was processable by the ancient population of earth made it so valuable.

Nevertheless, iron has the big disadvantage of corrosion (and no, stainless steels were not known in medival times), so it is nothing that lasts for a long time. So, the value of a steel item drops by time. In additon, in later times gold was much more rare then iron.

Returning to the main proposal: I totally second the idea to introduce new, lower value currencies. But this only makes sense with a change of the current items in everyone´s depot. But one thing I want to add: Wouldn´t it make more sense to raise the value of a gold coin first? So that not everyone throws around with it? Otherwise, everyone would throw around with the new coins.

Edit: I became curious and did some research. I was wrong about a detail, there are some evidences that iron alloys we nowadays would call steel were in use in some regions in the middle age (it ends at around 1450, that was my mistake)

Zare · Post by **Zare** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:15 pm

Wouldn´t it make more sense to raise the value of a gold coin first? So that not everyone throws around with it? Otherwise, everyone would throw around with the new coins

Well, yes, I ws thinking that everyone's current gold would be changed into copper, thus making the new gold's value higher

Belegi · Post by **Belegi** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:20 pm

I ment: A coin should have a value, nevertheless if it is made of gold, copper, brass, bronze, tin or whatever.

A single gold coin has no value to anyone. A copper coin will have non, too.

Are you maybe thinking of copper, silver and gold coins? I hope something like this will be realized one day.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:02 am

This proposal is really old. I beleive bronze, silver, and gold coins/ingots will be implemented somewhere along the line. Maybe mirinium = platinum? Yes, cast iron is not steel. I think cast iron is 2%C content or higher.