Dwarf fed up to the HILT - demand equal fighting rights for

[Bombor]

First of all, thank you Bror for the information and I hope that you enjoyed you holiday.

Now, as the heading says, It’s about time that us Dwarves stood up for our rights.
Not only is it bad enough that we have to endure a live living under the sun instead of digging under the Mountain as we are supposed to. We are also forced to fight larger opponents with a Sword instead of an Axe ( I do believe that Axes are the preferred weapon for a Dwarf ).
The reason for this dilemma is that there are no decent one handed Axes to be found any where in Illarion. Which means, if we want to fight with a strong weapon and use a Shield at the same time, we are forced to use the Fire Sword. This may be all right for those large Humans or Lanky Elves, but unacceptable for a Dwarf as the size of the Sword just slows down the attack.
Bellow, you should be able to see an example for a good magical one handed Axe.

( if you don’t see a picture, please go to http://www.rmidnight.de/axt3,5b.gif )



This one handed Axe, is magical and should be just as hard to make as a Fire Sword and the price should also be the same.
So please Dwarfs and other small people, strand up for our rights and please make a comment on this subject.


Nun, wie der Titel schon sagt, ist es an der Zeit das wir Zwerge unsere Rechte verlangen.
Es ist schon schlimm genug das wir ein Leben über Tage verbringen müssen , und nicht unter der Erde graben können so wie es sich für Zwerge gehört. Dazu zwingt man uns auch noch größere Gegner mit einem Schwert an zu greifen, anstatt mit einer Axt ( Ich glaube das die Axt, die eher erwünschte Waffe eines Zwergs ist ).
Der Grund für diese höchst peinliche Situation ist das es auf Illarion, keine anständige ein Hand Axt gibt.
Dies heißt das wen man mit eine gute Waffe und einem Schild Kämpfen möchte, muß man das Feuer Schwert benutzen. Dieses Schwert mag eine gerechte Waffe für einen großen Menschen oder einen langen Elben sein, aber nicht akzeptabel für einen kleinen Zwerg da alleine schon die Größe verlangsamt den Angriff.
Unten, solltet Ihr ein Beispiel für eine gute magische Ein Hand Axt finden.

( solltet ihr hier kein Bild sehen, bitte folgt den vollenden Link http://www.rmidnight.de/axt3,5b.gif )



Diese Ein Hand Axt, ist magisch und sollte daher genau so schwer sein herzustellen, und genau so teuer sein wie das Feuer Schwert.
Also Zwerge und andere Kleinwüchsige, spricht auf und lasset euere stimme gehört sein.

[Damien]

Waffen und Gegenstände sollten in die Perspektive passen. Auch das Verkleinern ist ein kleines Problem. Gegenstände sollten in einem 3D-Programm erstellt werden, und dann in der richtigen Größe gerendert - beim Verkleinern gibt es immer das Problem, daß die gesamte Sache pixelig wirkt. Zudem ist die Axt zweidimensional - die Perspektive fehlt. Selbige Perspektive muß zudem direkt in die Spielperspektive passen.
Ansonsten nicht schlecht )


(Edited by Damien at 10:19 pm on April 3, 2002)

[Bombor]

3D Programm habe ich. Sollte die Idee angenommen werden kann ich in kürzeste Zeit eine Axt entwerfen die dem ähnlich ist mit 3D bewegung und erwünschte Größe.

[Bror]

I like the graphics too, besides the things Damien just mentioned.
I don't know what you mean by "if the idea is taken into account", since I don't see a new idea here. Its nothing new, in fact, I could just replace the picture of any other weapon by an axe picture and the "idea" is realized.
I have a pool of about 30 weapon-graphics on my harddisc, that could be added to the game, when we make a new version, but I don't see a sense in adding hundreds of weapons that don't make a big difference.
From the about 30 weapons, a few will make it in the next version anyway and two of them are axes. If you want to make one yourself, I will check it out and perhaps replace one of the two axes with it (or add it as a third).

[Bombor]

Sorry but I think you missed the point.

It's not just the Axe, but rather the fact of having any Axe which is one handed so one may still use a Shield, and have a strong striking power like when using a Fire Sword.
The smaler Axes used now, don't have the hitting power needed for larger Enemies.
And the larger, stronger Axes, need to be held in both hands. Which means that one cannot use a Shield at the same time.

Do you now understand what I mean ?

We need a strong Magical Axe in the same class as the Fire Sword, which can be held in one hand leaving the other hand free.

[Groldan Gnamus]

I really like the axe but one thing is disturbing me, Dwarfs usually use NO shield. The 3 Twohanded axes are really good and should be enough. I really like the warhammer, too. But why don't you fight with a hatchet or a normal hammer? What you say is a fact of roleplaying and at the moment nobody can see your weapon!?

[Sharag]

Quote: from Bombor on 9:12 pm on April 3, 2002
This may be all right for those large Humans or Lanky Elves, but unacceptable for a Dwarf as the size of the Sword just slows down the attack.

Sorry, Bombor, but are you sure with this point?
Actually, I would say, that a normal, one-handed sword is always faster than a large axe.
Not the size of the sword slows down, but the size of an axe.

Traditionally, dwarves are better fighters with axes than with swords. They can use the tremendous power an axe can have, better than any other weapon. In their hands, axes are swift and fast, but that can't be explained with the size of the weapon.

Swords are smaller, lighter and easier to use. That makes them faster. Axes are weapons for true fighters.


About axes overall:  I don't think, a standard strong one-handed axe should be available (although I fight with axes, too.) That wouldn't fit. An axe, that is strong enough to be used in a real fight against demons or other strong enemies, can NEVER be used with only one hand.
Even not with the colossal strength of us dwarves. Think about the Indians, who fought with tomahawks, which could just be used to destroy wooden protection, but against plate armours, they could never have a chance.

One way out would be a further increase of the two-handed weapons' damage.
Imagine, that in the Middle Ages, you could  peel even the best protected knight out of his armour with a heavy Bihander (often called Zweihander, too) or a large axe.


Another idea could be the - already often mentioned - idea of a certain durability of items. In reality weapons are notched after some hits on armours or shields, same as shields are destroyed after a while. Even very strong shields can't withstand several hits of such heavy weapons. After 3-4 good hits they can't be used anymore.



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