Slain without thought

Kaja Wolfagen · Post by **Kaja Wolfagen** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:23 pm

May i just ask this from the players of illarion, if you play a character who defends the good and causes trouble at the same time, would you expect to be slain 5 times in a row for paralising one of the town guard.

This story starts with the charcter Kaja Wolfagen argueing with a town guard, which i may add was an unknown town guard to himself as he's memory is impaired, after threats from both characters Kaja Wolfagen paralises the said human and walks past, no attacks or such being implemented.

The next second Kaja Wolfagen is going towards the cross to reraise he's soul as he was slain without warning (( Its amazing how many people can draw wands and weapons and strike without a person realsing anything ))

If this had happned once, fair enough,, but after returning to the town on 5 occasions to speak to the people involved, and getting slain upon each occasion, it goes beyond a joke, it goes towards the realm of PG R US, and we shall not roleplay fights,, you should expect to get slain for no reason..

Even this characters worst enemy who he has fought since hes arrival upon this isle has the courtesey to warn on a attack which is about to happen, i would not normally complain, but the action i saw this day was juvinile, the type of action i would expect to see in a Hack and slash, not a role play game which relys upon role play to make it enjoyable..

Caitlin Fergus · Post by **Caitlin Fergus** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:28 pm

The guard you have paralised is mute.

"Someone (47257) doesn't show a reaction and let his hand slips to his sword."

wasn´t that a warning enough?

((edit: only changed a word))

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:40 pm

I believe we are speaking more of Shukk Caitlin...

I mean, come on! You all didnt even use the #me command!

Caitlin Fergus, you did show a #me command when you reached for your sword, however, otheres didnt. I was chased all the way to the pigs, then back to the shop, then through the shop, then out of town. I was constantly being attacked by Shukk with his war axe. My magic didnt affect him since i was being hurt, so i couldnt do anything but run. THE ENTIRE TIME, he didnt use #me at all. He simply started attacking me.

This isnt good RP! No wonder why so many peple have left!

And killing someone 5 times i multi-kill.

Shukk · Post by **Shukk** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:49 pm

It is a joke? Sure, it's your RP that is a joke Kaja.
You paralysed a Townguard and got slain down, that is normal RP.
You come back and cast Paralyse again without a #me. You get slain again
You come back again and cast an Iceflame without a #me. You get slain again
You come back and cast paralyse again without a #me..
And so on, what do you await from us? Being surprised about your "super rp" ?

Nedor von Largon · Post by **Nedor von Largon** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:50 pm

My char has very medival views. And he hates Magic. So casting of him is in his eyes an attack. Its not the point if it is an paralyse spell or an attack spell. He was attacked by you and his comrades kill you. For attacking a townguard you where banned from town for 24 hours. But you didn'nt follow the rules. You didn't leave the town. After Several warnings. My char counts with his fingers from 3 to 1. He hass readyed his war axe. But you did nothing. So he attacked you, because you didn't leave the town. After that you came back again and again attacking one of the townguards. We used much of me's, but if my char ist attacked he defend's himself. No need to make me's in that case.

Edit:

@ Nilo

Nedor von Largon wrote:And he hates Magic. So casting of him is in his eyes an attack. Its not the point if it is an paralyse spell or an attack spell.

Its the same with your Char. In the eyes of my char you have attacked him. So he attackes back. No need to debate if it was meant good or bad to him. Its the point of view of my char. If he is attacked he attacks back. And dont say I didn't use #me's, as caitlin said, my char is mute. So i need the #me's very often and i use them as much i can.

Shukk · Post by **Shukk** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:53 pm

Nilo wrote:he didnt use #me at all.

Check your logs or let the GMs check the logs.
I've used #me's every time:

3 Times i killed Kaja (Why, you can read 2 posts upwards) and 1 Time i attacked Nilo.
Go ahead and check it.

1. Shaah Shenosss attacks.

2. Shaah Shenosss swings her hammer.

3. Shaah Shenosss shrugs and attacks.

4. Shaah Shenosss attacks.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:07 pm

And now. more people will leave. Thank you every one!

Nedor von Largon · Post by **Nedor von Largon** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:08 pm

Ohhh... yes we are the bad RPer because we try to play our role medival like.

We are members of a medival town guard, and they didn't argue much. In my oppinion the illa guard ist argue to often than let her swords speak.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:09 pm

NO! Because more fights means stricter rules, means less fun, means less people.

Christiana · Post by **Christiana** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:11 pm

please, use irc or an other chat or pm to talk about this. if you (kaja) think it was against the rules, use the violations mail and the gm's will check this.

thank you all

Nedor von Largon · Post by **Nedor von Largon** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:12 pm

The look for the failures on the other side. If i get slain down, I don't come back to cause trouble again, again, again, again and again.

Kaja Wolfagen · Post by **Kaja Wolfagen** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:34 pm

Dont worry, i wont be back to make the same mistake again, thank you for your time people.

And Shukk i can roleplay old friend, ive been doing it for a long time.

I have one other purpose to fill with one of my other characters, and then dont worry i shall be gone...

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:37 pm

BAH! See, now he is leaving. Thank you, Arist don't leave we gotta finish things.

Nedor von Largon · Post by **Nedor von Largon** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:52 pm

Sorry to sound a bit harsh, but if he couldn't carry the consequences of his roleplay its better he makes a break.

I said nothing that he played bad. I think he played his orc in the beginning very well. He wants to my char to go out of his way, but my char doesn't. It was an encounter of 2 bullheaded chars. I think that this was a nice RP situation. But after he was slain down, he comes back 5 times and he knows he would slain down again if he doesn't leave the town.

That was in my eyes not the best RP.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:40 pm

I gotta say that right about now I'm pissed. Arist (/Kaja) is my fave person to RP with, he's applied more knowledge of RP than most do in both his chars. WOW I could break my puter.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:51 pm

..And how does that statement relate into him running back to the guards five times after slain? To who you are angry at? Him?

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:08 pm

This is why arguments are seldom solved reasonably. SOMEBODY always has a completely opposite "truth" to either side of the story. Did Shukk use #me statements? Or did he not? Somebody is lying.

Lilawyn · Post by **Lilawyn** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:18 pm

Caranthir the great wrote:..And how does that statement relate into him running back to the guards five times after slain? To who you are angry at? Him?

Never.

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:25 pm

I think nobody of them is lying, its only the problems that we have two groups. One side says they have uses enough me's the other side say's that this wheren't enough me's.

But why comes up such discussions only if someone was defeated, from the loosers side? I have never heared from the winners side that the others used no me's or something like that.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:29 pm

It is simple.

If you get killed, DO NOT run back. Revive, log out with that character for this day, or play him as hurt badly. Or return with the same character later, but try to avoid a fight. Coming back immediately, arguing or fighting, is quite bad RP.
If the town guard throws you out and bans you from town for a while, it is quite likely that they will attack you when coming back too soon, so stay out of town then.

To the others : Even medieval guards can tell a word or two, except when there is a bounty on that person's head of course. Please don't attack at sight (not even with a #me before), even if someone comes back from the cross that quick.
Of course that does not mean that the guards have to go into discussions.

Nedor von Largon · Post by **Nedor von Largon** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:39 pm

No one of the guard has attacked him on sight. We have him warned several times to leave the town. But if he doesn't so at the second or third warning, the guard attacks. Every time he came back we have given him the time to leave in peace. But the most cases he startet to debating and said he wouldn't leave. Or he started to cast at the guards.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:41 pm

Then, the guards have acted correct.

Kaja Wolfhagen, next time better don't continue playing with the same character on that day when you, the player, are angry.
That always helps to cool off minds, and it will prevent ooc anger.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:47 pm

Well, first off. Did you follow him to the cross? IMO that is bad rp. It makes me so peeved when my killer followers me to the cross, and what is worse sometimes they rub it in my face! I know you just killed me, you should leave me alone for a day.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:53 pm

If he is banned from TOWN, it makes few sense if they let him run around inside.

As it looks, he CAME BACK from the cross, arguing and casting spells.

Nedor von Largon · Post by **Nedor von Largon** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:56 pm

No we didn't follow him to the cross, we waited in front to the shop. And why is it bad RP when the winner follow you to the cross? They are the winners. And in the most cases the townguard follows the players to the cross it has one simple reason. The most players didn't leave the town after beeing killed. If all would follow the rules, nobody has to escort someone to the cross and proof if they where really leaving the town.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:07 pm

Nedor, i dont even know who you are...

@Shukk:
I checked my logs; You did the #me attacks whenever you attacked Kaja, but never me.
So dont tell me to check my logs; i have a perect memory....almost

I didnt witness Kaja being killed 5 times by the guards...

ANOTHER thing here is this:
POWERGAMING!!!!

Okay, shukk, you are, according to your number, fairly new. (its 53***) Wow, you sure did get REALLY strong REALLY quick! That's amazing! I wonder how you did it!

You are not near the only person that pg's; there are many people i've seen out there that have.
(and dont start accusing me of pg, for i have done not. when i was in movement, i did, but ive died about 5 times since then so thats all left me; ive gotten me skills that i ahve now the hard way...the right way.)

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:08 pm

Because when you kill someone leave him. I had someone follow me to the cross, brag about his kill FOLLOWING ME all the way out and still bragged outside. RAWR

Nedor von Largon · Post by **Nedor von Largon** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:18 pm

Val De Gausse wrote:Because when you kill someone leave him. I had someone follow me to the cross, brag about his kill FOLLOWING ME all the way out and still bragged outside. RAWR

Why? The winner is the winner, but here i would say nothing if the looser is so provocated that he attacks a second time maybe a third time. But as i said it depends of the personal character of the char who has won if he let you go out of town in peace or shouts some insults at you. I see no problem here.

Edit: If you felt personally offended by such insults, dont play RP games.

@ Nilo: I was the second guard there. The one in the conflict with Kaja.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:21 pm

What is my char suppose to do? just sit their and listen to their rant! It was an equivalent to I PWNED J00! You should let them be for a day, and if their found in town kick em out, their fault if they have to die again.

Hagen von Rabenfeld · Post by **Hagen von Rabenfeld** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:32 pm

If those, who were banned, would RP good enough to accept, that their char, who just died, does not want to do so again and will most prpbably run for his life and leave the town, it would not be neccessary to follow them to the cross at all.
But that is the basic problem, isn´t it? Allowing their chars to have fear or simply common sense, even if he looses face, seems to be beyond some people´s RP-qualities. You are identifying with your chars too much. And therefore accepting defeat is becoming quite tricky isn´t it?
If the guardsmen are sure, you will not leave the town and just find whatever explanation, why it is no bad RP (oh, my char is stubborn/i am hard as nails/hey, i drank a potion/my char does not feel anything/i have been away half an hour, yeah) you will not only be followed to the cross, but also imprisoned, as you are not able to resist. Read the rules about this.

If your chars are dumb enough, to enter a town, when they know, what they will get for it and are forced to use the cross in an hostile enviroment, you should not wonder. If they are dumb enough to even come back from the cross and repeat the failure, that let your opposition kill you, i really have to ask: This is coming as a surprise, isn´t it?

Finally:
What a kind of habit is this, that all people, who "lost" an IG scene, immidiatelly start an OOC thread, arguing about it? If you take it personally, if a damn arrangement of pixels turn into a small cloud, which can easily happen in a fantasy enviroment like the Illarion world, why the hell do you play this game? I have been killed often enough, i got PKed, i got Reskilled, i was casted at from shadows, had to care about people, who come from the cross again and again and i was pissed too, as the movement came into town every damn night for two months, but can you find a single post, where i start to rant at people in public? And after a GM tells you, that you are wrong, you start with PG-accusations and whine, that you do not want to play your char human-like, including his ability to feel pain?
Come on, you are not serious, aren´t you?