Magic?

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:40 am

I am starting to relize that magic is recieving a lot of abuse by some strange role-play aspects. I find that a lot of mages lately are well, cocky in a sort.

I feel that cockiness should NOT come with magic. For magic is given by the gods. And gods only choose the magic to give to. Magic is not a skill that is learned by time, it is a skill that is taught by the gods. Gods give their powers in a sense of that they are trusting these people with the powers that they give them. Showing dignity and respect for that power is in great value.

Although, I feel that some people... Well, they just don't show their character actually respecting that power. It is a power that should be respected in all great aspects. Yes, it is powerful. I can accept that. Yes, it's hard to train. I can accept that. Although, the magic is just not being respected while IG. It's used for threatening and such. Not a single god that I could think of that would want threats being used by their magic.

Maybe it's just me whining, or maybe I am right. I am beginning to see a little off balance magic using with the Role-Playing. Magic should be respected by the mages, but I do not see it. Cockiness is not "respecting" the power.

I don't want to seem as I am whining though. If my character was a theif, murderer, and pure evil as if, and died constantly because of his poor magic resistance, I would accept that. Because my character is of purest evil. And protection is being done by the power.

Although when my character is being killed by this power and threatened for accusations, I feel like that it just isn't right. Doesn't make sense for a wise mage to be doing that. Mages are suppose to be wise. Being wise gives great power. My character, is not wise. Kind of dimwitted if you might say.

I gotta wrap it up though. Parents bugging me. Sorry.

(I am not gearing this towards certain people. Please do not feel that way)

-Kas

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:44 am

well......dont most mages Paralize now adays cuase you are garenteeded to cast teh spell? and then flames or somethign, right?

take out Paralize spell, or make that one like before, where your chance to cast was skill based, and a lot of mages will loss their cocky ness REAL fast ill bet

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:45 am

Ah yes, the chances of getting the spell off weakened. I like that. Sort of made MORE sense.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:17 am

Why does everybody insist that the programmers make more and more technical limits on these spells? I'm trying to promote the ROLEPLAYING aspect here, something that can't be progammed.

Sadly, it is true a lot of mages don't take their role seriously enough and abuse the paralysis spell because they believe they can get away with it.

Can't everybody just use common sense? Can't people just play responsibly, making sure that their characters have a fair possibility in losing?

My character only uses the paralysis spell if he's threatening somebody, or fleeing. It could be used for regular combat, provided there is a way to lose as much as win.

And as for the cockiness...well...hopefully that's just how the character is, not the player. Cockiness shouldn't be something that stops somebody from being great in something. For example, in real life, in UFC, many champions are egotistical and overconfident, but that doesn't stop them from being good. In my opinion, the "only the wise will rule" is something that only works in the movies; unrealistic.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:07 am

Once you paralyse someone it should only last as long as it lasts, but you shouldn't be able to fire dozens at someone to build up 5 minutes of paralysis, that would be abuse IMO. If you paralysed someone (just fired one at them) and then fired some other spells then I don't think that's abuse.

The worst abuse of paralysis is if you paralyse someone many times in a few seconds and then cast a flame on them. Then, to make it worse go over to that person and push them in and out of the flame.

IMO, it's building up lots of 'freeze' time with dozens of paralyse that is the true problem.

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:16 am

Paralyze spells shouldn't 'Stack'. In other words, cast it a second time on someone and it has no actual effect.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:19 am

Two words: power corrupts
A weak mind that gets hold of such a great power can be ruined quickly.
Also, magic is not really "god-given", its the power that keeps the world together, and mages are just people who learned to manipulate this power and change the world according to their needs. So it is no surprise that some mages start to think of themselves as some kind of demi-god.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:30 pm

Or if you guys really want technical limitations thrown in badly enough, I would say the second paralysis negates the effect of the first one; vines wrapping around vines, and pulling itself underground.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:47 pm

Bloodheart I agree with your RP thing. But many don't care and as long as the GM's don't do anything they take it not as unfair or bad rp...

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:11 pm

Well i'm not to sure, remember the past when all the fighter characters that could kill in two blows or less did the exact same thing. they took a full ice bolt like it was nothing then slashed stright through shield and such, killing the person almost if not instantly. now the roles are a bit reversed in the sense that no character can just smash another outwardly and i think that may be annoying to amny characters who used to play fighters that did such things.
As to mages, alot of people myself included use there magic often. but in terms of fighting other players with it, it tends to be that certain other players may be rping in a threatening or harrassing way. thusly they are trying to ire the other character, then they will later complain that magic is unfair. and in a sense yes it is. because currently mages and mage type characters have the advantage in combat. so if your going to attack a mage character you might want to use a bit more stratagy then walk up to them and push them or follow them outside of town to harass them. being that head to head. the only thing that beats a mage is a faster mage or a smart character.

Dair Essel · Post by **Dair Essel** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:39 pm

Some of you are forgetting something as well. Mages in a battle will always have the advantage, unless they are really really bad. To a normal everyday fighter, going against a mage should be considered pure suicide. Now mage RP is a bit bad, but you complain about the advantages that they have, Are you insane. Of course they have the advantage, Anybody who can shoot a fireball or something of that sort out, should be considered a no go zone. Stay away from fighting them. Mages have the right to be cocky in front of fighters, because only a really good fighter can beat them. Ill give you an example that maybe you all can relate to. Dumbldore (from Harry Potter) against the Terminator. Who is the better "Fighter" The terminator, Who is going to win Dumbldore. Magic isnt ment to be fair for everybody, if it was it would be a waste of time to learn it. People learn magic to get the advantage, read any book that has to do with magic, Magic will nearly always win out against brute force. Its just the law of the land.

Although I have to put this in here, Mages should only wear leather armor, and carry a dagger(s) or short sword. Anything beyond that mages shouldnt be able to use. Because they devot their lifes to learning magic, not being the best of everything.

For those that wish to play Warlocks, whatever they call it I think its Master or something like that, You should not go above for fighting skills.

This doesnt apply to druids but they really shouldnt carry around any kind of axe.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:47 pm

Hmmm...I think terminator could blow that stupid kid mage away in one shot...anyway, this advatage is crazy. Mages don't need to fight, just paralyze and let 4 men surrond others and attack. One spell is all they need to be dangerous.

Wonder what would happen if paralyze was taken away. YOu still got powerful spells, but I doubt people would strive to be a mage.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:52 pm

I'm not complaining at all about the technical problems of how strong spells are. I have nothing against their strength (actually I do have some problems with paralyze).

More along the lines, magic is god-given. Where do you think runes come from?

A lot of my complaints come from the straight fact, I have a problem with the people role-playing a character with this power. It is as if their own cockiness is showing in their character.

A mage does not just go "Tell me now or else I will kill you." Nor does a mage "pick" a fight with someone. Now a strong warrior orc, I can see doing this. I just don't see a "wise" mage being such a damn fool with stupidness like criminals and such. Magic is mostly used for the purest of evils. Not against small little nitty pick fools. Which is showing with just about everyone.

Mages THREATEN people!! It's crazy and mad! Mages are suppose to be like the order keepers of the world. They do not consist of war fighters.

Ack, I am having a hard time explaining what I want to say. Let me get my words correct.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:10 pm

If I wasn't at war right now I would not be killing people or attacking anyone. This war along with all the new changes is what is causing so many problems. After this war is over, If Ark is still alive she wont be hunting down people to murder...nor will she be picking fights. She is just contributing tho this war any way possible at the moment. Who knows..maybe after the war Ark is going to go into retirement and chill in a cave forever.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:11 pm

I'm not blaming any certain people. Please don't feel that way. A lot of people do it.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:19 pm

Well, I fully agree that people with magic skills are abusing them stupidly. I see too many fights picked because they know they have magic on their side. Makes it hard for the criminally nutty and insane like me to get any credit.
~~pouts~~

¿Unknown? · Post by **¿Unknown?** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:17 pm

With all these Bad Roleplay complaints is the account system really working?

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:57 pm

¿Unknown? wrote:With all these Bad Roleplay complaints is the account system really working?

It is working, although when role playing, even I see strips of my personality slip through my character's actions.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:20 am

Unknown, write that with a known character of yours.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:21 am

why grant? this is not the rpg-forum. it is unimportant who wrote it. why do ya must know WHO wrote that?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:23 am

Because it is annoying when someone writes and calls people bad roleplayers and an anoymous board account. Even Keikan doesn't like it.

Gerhalt · Post by **Gerhalt** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:40 am

It's near impossible to have an anonymous board account. First off, you could be using a different computer than you normally use. Second, I'm pretty sure the Illarion client logs IP's as well, so the staff could compare those with the forum IPs. Anyway, even if I can't pinpoint you, I can pinpoint the PC you used...

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:45 am

Uh, just visiting the Illarion website the IP could be found in a heart beat.

But that's off topic.