The 45th Judicial Trial of the Lyrenzia Foundation has hereby begun:
The charge is:
Kaja Wolfagen accuses the human Kale Orton. He has been told that this is his name. Tall look's stupid brown hair and sharp eye's (( 533**))
He was attacked unjustified four times and slained twice within town.
There are two witnesses.
The Elf Girith
And the Elven Maiden Mahaud
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Das 45. Gerichtsverfahren der Lyrenzia Foundation ist hiermit eröffnet:
Die Anklage ist folgende:
Kaja Wolfagen klagt den Menschen Kale Orton an. Ihm wurde gesagt, dass er so hieße. Klein, schaut dümmlich, braunes Haar und scharfe Augen ((533**)). Er wurde viermal ungerechtfertigter Weiose von ihm angegriffen und zweimal in der Stadt niedergeschlagen.
Es gibt zwei Zeugen:
den Elben Girith
die Elbin Mahaud
Lyrenzia Foundation: Judicial trial / Gerichtsverfahren #45
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Well met honourables of Lyrenzia,
I humby stand before the court and shall tell the story as I had seen it happen. It was in the southern woods that Kaja Wolfagen and me were conversing, while waiting for Talisien Pen Beirdd to meet with us. This human came from the north into the reach of our eye-sight and insultet Kaja Wolfagen, calling him a stupid orc. First Kaja chose to ignore the human, but after only a little while, he changed his mind and also insulted the human. The clash of words was done and the human rushed forward in an attack. Alas - the human never came as close as to wield his sword at Kaja. I had raised my wand and paralyzed that subject, directing words of warning at him. It seemed he was wise enough and once he could again move, he left north again.
Later that day, it was again in the southern forest, and that time I was conversing with Alveran. Suddenly a hobbit was running south, crying for help - madness must have led him south, when common sense tell us that there is quite a danger in the southern woods. I did not hesitate and raised my wand once again - to my surprise the same human, as hours before, was again taking up to troubles. Again I froze the human to the spot he was standing and again I directed words of warning at him, while the hobbit hid away under my skirts. The human, when he was able to talk again, said that he would only want to talk to that hobbit and that he meant not to attack him. My answer woud have been, that I would not want to interefere in a discussion, as long as no weapon would be drawn. Before I could finish my sentence, the human had already attacked me and delivered two deadly strikes with his sword. It was the goodwill of Cherga that saved me, when again I struck him with paralyzis and jumped out of his reach to heal myself. This time he chose to run again and I must confess that I did not let him - instead while he was running I sent down onto him ice bolts that have surely tought him a lesson.
These are the incidents that I have had with that human and I told it to the court in the best manner as I possibly could. My memory serves me well and I am confident that I did not leave out one single detail, that could theoretically also be against the odds of Kaja Wolfagen and speaking for that human.
with regards,
Mahaud - Priestess of Cherga - Master Healer and Master Reviver - Teacher of the Magic Academy
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I was the hobbit that was threatened and chased through town. I had no where else to go, so I ran out the south gate. Luckily I found Mahaud there and Alveran. They were quite helpful. Although no slaying was done in town, he provoked me several times. Be warned, this man is just looking for a fight. He probably wants to feel stronger with every battle he is in. So be cautious around this man, and be prepared for shameless insults.
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...a cloaked figure covered from head to foot reads the above posts and writes the following.... then walks off quickly...
The descriptions given by Lyrenzia seem very clear to me... its him ... and to him i say the following: "Kale, or whatever your name is... my greatest wish is the success of this trial and your capturing.... i will come visit you when you are in jail... make that sure... and when you come out of jail again, i shall open another case accusing you for what you done against me...and you will be sent back there... i hope all this hurts as blood coming out from a severe and slow cut in human flesh. I shall destory you, if you come beneath my hands, and i shall than use your blood instead of red ink."
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The descriptions given by Lyrenzia seem very clear to me... its him ... and to him i say the following: "Kale, or whatever your name is... my greatest wish is the success of this trial and your capturing.... i will come visit you when you are in jail... make that sure... and when you come out of jail again, i shall open another case accusing you for what you done against me...and you will be sent back there... i hope all this hurts as blood coming out from a severe and slow cut in human flesh. I shall destory you, if you come beneath my hands, and i shall than use your blood instead of red ink."
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Concerning the 45th Judicial Trial of the Lyrenzia Foundation.
As myself, Girith en Guren, is named as a witness I will tell herewith what I've seen:
It was that I was to pass the library when the human, described above as Kale Orton - the describtion fits, but I wouldn't have known his name - stepped out of the library and offered to sell me a firesword. I refused just when an orc, later to be known as Kaja Wolfagen, warned me not to trade with this man, for he would be a murderer and had slain him, Kaja, already. I got curious and asked for the reason and Kaja told me he just had asked the human not to cut trees. Both accused each other as liers and Kaja asked for the humans name, but he wouldn't tell it, what made me feel suspicious about him. The argument between them went on and turned to insults. The human Kale Orton then threw a log at Kaja's head, who didn't answer with violence what many orcs usually do, but with words. Kale Orton replied with words and then sticked Kaja's head into a campfire that he had enlightened before in front of the library. I intervened and pulled him away from the orc. The human obviously didn't realise who pushed him and went for Kaja again. After a quick exchange of words between the both Kale Orton attacked and killed Kaja, who had not shown any sign of violence against the human yet...
That is what my eyes have seen and ears have heard. I hope my little contribution will be helpful and I have left out nothing important, because this incident happened quite a time ago. Though I am sure to have set it into the right light.
best regards,
Girith en Guren
As myself, Girith en Guren, is named as a witness I will tell herewith what I've seen:
It was that I was to pass the library when the human, described above as Kale Orton - the describtion fits, but I wouldn't have known his name - stepped out of the library and offered to sell me a firesword. I refused just when an orc, later to be known as Kaja Wolfagen, warned me not to trade with this man, for he would be a murderer and had slain him, Kaja, already. I got curious and asked for the reason and Kaja told me he just had asked the human not to cut trees. Both accused each other as liers and Kaja asked for the humans name, but he wouldn't tell it, what made me feel suspicious about him. The argument between them went on and turned to insults. The human Kale Orton then threw a log at Kaja's head, who didn't answer with violence what many orcs usually do, but with words. Kale Orton replied with words and then sticked Kaja's head into a campfire that he had enlightened before in front of the library. I intervened and pulled him away from the orc. The human obviously didn't realise who pushed him and went for Kaja again. After a quick exchange of words between the both Kale Orton attacked and killed Kaja, who had not shown any sign of violence against the human yet...
That is what my eyes have seen and ears have heard. I hope my little contribution will be helpful and I have left out nothing important, because this incident happened quite a time ago. Though I am sure to have set it into the right light.
best regards,
Girith en Guren
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The Returner
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Why do you bother the trial with such an ignorant statement?
Where does it say that justice can only exist inside of some walls? If there are no rules outside the town as you say, then obviously Lyrenzia can do whatever it wants there just as anybody else could.
Let's see, the last time I checked you don't own any territory anywhere either. So does that mean if you see a murder in progress outside the wall, you have no "jurisdiction" to stop it? It seems you have no "jurisdiction" to eat an apple anywhere either.
If the area outside the town is really territory that is free, and individuals are free to commit murder there, then obviously Lyrenzia is equally free to stop murder and prosecute criminals there as well.
Please stop throwing around the words "jurisdiction" and "territory" if you don't understand its context on this island. Restriction on Lyrenzian jurisdiction of territory can't exist or be legitimately recognized without a higher authority over both Lyrenzia and that territory, or mutually by the owners of both territory. Obviously such an authority doesn't exist, and neither does the owner of the territory in question.
Where does it say that justice can only exist inside of some walls? If there are no rules outside the town as you say, then obviously Lyrenzia can do whatever it wants there just as anybody else could.
Let's see, the last time I checked you don't own any territory anywhere either. So does that mean if you see a murder in progress outside the wall, you have no "jurisdiction" to stop it? It seems you have no "jurisdiction" to eat an apple anywhere either.
If the area outside the town is really territory that is free, and individuals are free to commit murder there, then obviously Lyrenzia is equally free to stop murder and prosecute criminals there as well.
Please stop throwing around the words "jurisdiction" and "territory" if you don't understand its context on this island. Restriction on Lyrenzian jurisdiction of territory can't exist or be legitimately recognized without a higher authority over both Lyrenzia and that territory, or mutually by the owners of both territory. Obviously such an authority doesn't exist, and neither does the owner of the territory in question.
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The Returner
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If Lyrenzia cant control its citizens, or have claims over territory, IT shouldent exist.
Lyrenzia claims to hold no governmental rights, yet it takes what it wants, prosecutes who it wants, and does it in its own sweet time.
Don't preach lyrenzia to me, please, I've had my fair share hearing about them from others
Lyrenzia is a government, it holds territory, its territory is the town walls. Either Lyrenzia and its officials can accept this or sod off.
Lyrenzia claims to hold no governmental rights, yet it takes what it wants, prosecutes who it wants, and does it in its own sweet time.
Don't preach lyrenzia to me, please, I've had my fair share hearing about them from others
Lyrenzia is a government, it holds territory, its territory is the town walls. Either Lyrenzia and its officials can accept this or sod off.
What are you babbling about? Who said anything about preach? I didn't say anything about Lyrenzia not being the government of the Troll's Bane territory. If you actually READ what other people wrote, and not just listen to your own thoughts, then you would notice that on my last paragraph, the "territory" in question refers to the UNOWNED territory outside the walls.
It DOESN'T MATTER if Lyrenzia is the government of the territory inside the walls or not. It has NO DIFFERENCE to the territory outside the walls.
NOBODY owns the territory outside the walls, ANYONE IS FREE TO DO ANYTHING, so obviously that INCLUDES LYRENZIA. Get this simple fact through your thick head, or sod off.
Understand? Nobody owns the territory outside the walls, so therfore there is no owner to stop Lyrenzia or anyone else from doing what it wants. That's why it's FREE.Restriction on Lyrenzian jurisdiction of territory can't exist or be legitimately recognized without a higher authority over both Lyrenzia and that territory, or mutually by the owners of both territory. Obviously such an authority doesn't exist, and neither does the owner of the territory in question.
It DOESN'T MATTER if Lyrenzia is the government of the territory inside the walls or not. It has NO DIFFERENCE to the territory outside the walls.
NOBODY owns the territory outside the walls, ANYONE IS FREE TO DO ANYTHING, so obviously that INCLUDES LYRENZIA. Get this simple fact through your thick head, or sod off.
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Hmm
Greebas my friends.
Mr Returner, if yoo read Girith's statement yoo find out's that i has been attacked and slain in town also. I have used Mahaud's statement if yoo like as a character reference upon the Human, he be obsessed with violance, Danger to town!
All those who defend him here's will participate in pain of others! longer this human is in town, the longer these action's will continue.
If you read through other topic's on your town wall, you will find many accusations of threat's and theft's where the perpetrater is the one i have accused of me murder's...
Kaja Wolfagen
Shamen of WolfHead
Runs with BloodSkulls
Mr Returner, if yoo read Girith's statement yoo find out's that i has been attacked and slain in town also. I have used Mahaud's statement if yoo like as a character reference upon the Human, he be obsessed with violance, Danger to town!
All those who defend him here's will participate in pain of others! longer this human is in town, the longer these action's will continue.
If you read through other topic's on your town wall, you will find many accusations of threat's and theft's where the perpetrater is the one i have accused of me murder's...
Kaja Wolfagen
Shamen of WolfHead
Runs with BloodSkulls
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Grant Herion
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Dear Grant Herion,
(why on earth always you and me?)
Lyrenzia is not Dyluck alone, Lyrenzia are nine guilds and one public representativ. If these councilors decide, that the law is valid outside town, it will be.
And don't forget, Silverbrand and the Clan of the Axe belongs to Lyrenzia, therefore the law is valid in Silverbran, too. The Evergreen Halflings belongs to Lyrenzia, therefore the law is valid in Greenbriar, too.
The Grey Rose belongs to Lyrenzia, therefore the law is valid within Troll's Bane.
Whereever guilds of Lyrenzia and people of Lyrenzia life, there is their law valid.
Aragon ben Galwan
Earl and Templar of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin
Councilor of Lyrenzia
(why on earth always you and me?)
Lyrenzia is not Dyluck alone, Lyrenzia are nine guilds and one public representativ. If these councilors decide, that the law is valid outside town, it will be.
And don't forget, Silverbrand and the Clan of the Axe belongs to Lyrenzia, therefore the law is valid in Silverbran, too. The Evergreen Halflings belongs to Lyrenzia, therefore the law is valid in Greenbriar, too.
The Grey Rose belongs to Lyrenzia, therefore the law is valid within Troll's Bane.
Whereever guilds of Lyrenzia and people of Lyrenzia life, there is their law valid.
Aragon ben Galwan
Earl and Templar of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin
Councilor of Lyrenzia
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Grant Herion
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Dear Grant Herion,
as I just wrote ....
The other examples I wrote above should only show you, that Lyrenzia never was restricted on the town itself.
Aragon ben Galwan
Earl and Templar of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin
Councilor of Lyrenzia
as I just wrote ....
... if we accept trials, which happened in the forest, be sure we feel responsible for the forests, too.Aragon wrote:Lyrenzia are nine guilds and one public representativ. If these councilors decide, that the law is valid outside town, it will be.
The other examples I wrote above should only show you, that Lyrenzia never was restricted on the town itself.
Aragon ben Galwan
Earl and Templar of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin
Councilor of Lyrenzia
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Grant Herion
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Grant Herion, it seems you don't even understand the meaning of jurisdiction and what it means around here. If you read the discussion few posts up then you might get the point.
Before Lyrenzia came, did our heroes and defenders say "I will fight crime and evil!! But only if it is inside some walls!"?
Of course not, this would be stupid. Since the beginning, those who uphold justice do it everywhere they can, so of course Lyrenzia should be no different.
So if you want to say Lyrenzia "controls" crime all over the island? Sure, they fight crime everywhere, just like it has always been. The island belongs to everyone, so everyone has the right to not be criminally victimized there. Only when someone legitimately buys their own territory, like Silverbrand and Greenbrair, then Lyrenzia and the owners of those territory can agree to their own set of rules and leaders in that territory if they want. Notherot of course, is not included in the list of territory that was legitimately bought.
And it seems you always claim that Dyluck said Lyrenzia has no juridiction outside the town, but somehow I don't remember this fact, and rather I think you're paraphrasing your own interpretations. Can you find the actual paper where he said this? ((obviously ooc doesn't count))
Before Lyrenzia came, did our heroes and defenders say "I will fight crime and evil!! But only if it is inside some walls!"?
Of course not, this would be stupid. Since the beginning, those who uphold justice do it everywhere they can, so of course Lyrenzia should be no different.
So if you want to say Lyrenzia "controls" crime all over the island? Sure, they fight crime everywhere, just like it has always been. The island belongs to everyone, so everyone has the right to not be criminally victimized there. Only when someone legitimately buys their own territory, like Silverbrand and Greenbrair, then Lyrenzia and the owners of those territory can agree to their own set of rules and leaders in that territory if they want. Notherot of course, is not included in the list of territory that was legitimately bought.
And it seems you always claim that Dyluck said Lyrenzia has no juridiction outside the town, but somehow I don't remember this fact, and rather I think you're paraphrasing your own interpretations. Can you find the actual paper where he said this? ((obviously ooc doesn't count))
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