This isnt against any rule I see.

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:21 pm

I have a dwarf character. He was sent to jail for being in Silverbrand. I had already been killed by Galim as a punishment. I was sent to jail then. Why should I be doubly punished? Also for all Aragon knew (he sent me to jail) Whoever had him arrest me could have just been making something up. Shouldnt I at least get a trial? Or is it that if you have been playing for a long time everyone just believes you and you can just say "send him to jail he broke into silverbrand". I just read the rules and nowhere does it say "You may not go into Silverbrand unless you have spoken to Tialdin".javascript:emoticon(':x')
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Also before this happened I thought that all dwarves were allowed in Silverbrand and considered citizens. There must get to be some way that newbiescan know they arent allowed otherwise they will all "break into" Silverbrandand get sent to jail and then because they dont want to wait forever, they will quit and never play again.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:48 pm

Shouldnt I at least get a trial?

There are no trials in Silverbrand. Our monarchy is supreme, and the word of the king is law within our walls.

EDIT: Incidently, you can find your judgement http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... php?t=8835 if in doubt.

Also before this happened I thought that all dwarves were allowed in Silverbrand and considered citizens.

That is a mistake from your side. It is your responsibility to know the law. If you break it, even unknowingly, only you can be held accountable.

"break into" Silverbrand

Any person with any grasp of roleplaying could never even think of that. Silverbrand is a city. Cities have people. Silverbrand is relatively small, yet has a lot of citizens. As such it would be very hard to find anywhere to hide, without being seen. Finally, Silverbrand has it's own army, who take care of guarding the gates. You can assume that those gates are guarded 24/7. Just because there is no visible dwarf there at a given time isnt a vaild objection, as we do not have enough players to ensure there to always be someone.

You have no way to get in.

On a side note -

I just read the rules and nowhere does it say "You may not go into Silverbrand unless you have spoken to Tialdin

Which rules are you talking about? Rules of Illarion or rules of Silverbrand?

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:01 am

It was the rules of Illarion. Also, is it possible anymore for me to become a citizen of Silverbrand after this?

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:04 am

Silverbrand has it's own rules. As such it is your duty to make yourself familiar with them before entering.

As for citizenship, my own guess is that it's very unlikely, but you can always ask, I suppose.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:06 am

Yeah, don't you love it how Tialdin can judge people on the 'surface', and have his own justice down below?

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:44 am

ähm, i haven't punished ya. ya wanted a fightchallenge until death, and that was it. but ya have done it again and again. many times. many times ya have opened the gates, without being a citizen of silverbrand.

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:47 am

many times ya have opened the gates, without being a citizen of silverbrand[quote]
I have opened the gates to come in 3 times only. 3 is not many. I had thought that my death would serve as a punishment also.[/quote]

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:08 am

i met ya the first time in silverbrand.theie i asked ya who ya are. ya told me ya name and that ya are a member (ya even told me that ya have swear the oath infront of tialdin, ya have lied to me. if ya just have said that ya haven'tknew that, than i would have told it to ya and would have let ya go without any trouble). than ya logged of in the mine. after that i asked tialdin and he said me that ya are no citizen. than i saw ya again opening the gates. i followed ya, than killed ya in a fight. THAN i told ya that just citizens have a key and that just the citizens can open the gates. ya have told me "but every dwarf can it". ya haven'tknew that a key is needed, but i have said it too ya. than ya told me "ar, than i have found a key in the desert". after that i saw ya again open the gates, this time for an orc. gurik his name. ya knew that it isn't allowed, ya knew that ya need a key, and ya knew what will happen to ya if ya do it again, because i told it to ya after the first time i killed ya.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:27 am

Anyone notice this is on an ooc board? There is no ooc violation on either side.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:58 am

sorry, false posting

Hendrik · Post by **Hendrik** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 6:58 pm

damn im goood

Mishrak wrotes:
>You can assume that those gates are guarded 24/7. Just because there is no visible dwarf there at a given time isnt a vaild objection, as we do not have enough players to ensure there to always be someone.

I could in with my thief easily

took some coal,hope u arent so sad now...hehe,joke,but i wouldnt say 24/7...or im really too good for ya

cya then walks away proud of himself

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:08 pm

Which means that you opened the gates with a Dwarf-char?

Thoram Steinfaust · Post by **Thoram Steinfaust** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:28 pm

Hendrik wrote:damn im goood

no, you are bad, that is very bad rp. read the other posts more intensive. mish did'nt said that players guard the gates, he said that there guards because silverbrand is a dwarfencity and the gates are every time strong guarded.

there are npc's, who you can't see because some players must be attack all that have a foot. use your brain and imagine the guards of silverbrand!

sorry for my bad english

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:38 pm

As long he broke no obvious Serverrule (Item/Knowleadge-Transfere, ect.) stop saying:
"You make such bad RP because you openend the Gates!"

I am sowly getting sick of reading this.

Whereever there is a mechanisim, whereever there is a lock, there is a way to pick it and to open it.
There is no way to guard somethin 24/7, evem your allmighty NPC are mortal and got tierd, make mistakes, can even die.

As you simply say "You cannot enter Silverbrand unnoticed."
I can say "You cannot guard Silverbrand perfectly."

Thoram Steinfaust · Post by **Thoram Steinfaust** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:46 pm

yes, you can pick a lock, but the doors are guarded. we can't play 24/7, but its not logical that a dwarfen city gate unguarded. why should the dwarfs leave the guards unguarded and their families defenceless?
and there are people in the streets of silverbrand, children and others. dont they see human or maybe orcish intruders?

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:53 pm

There is a huge difference beetweeing "seeing" and actually doing something aktive against an Intrude.
Or do you expect your Childrend, Crippled and Olds to fight agains a single Introuder (no matter if Human, Halfing or Orc) ?

And I spoke of your Gates.
I suppose a nice bottle of Ale placed right infront of your Gates, might lead an unexpericend Guard to open these Doors, drink the Ale (with the Tranquilizer in it of crouse) and before he can close the Gates *bash* one unconcinous dwarf less to worry about.
(This is just an example)

But your plain:
Doors unopenable,
Doors 100% guarded,

is also bad RP, just change your point of view a bit.

Thoram Steinfaust · Post by **Thoram Steinfaust** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:02 pm

no no, the bad rp is not a intruder. the problem is that tons of intruders are in the mines of silverbrand. did they all suprise the guards?
it is the same problem as everytime. one have an idea, 50 others make the same. thats the problem!
not one thief which is sneaking the chimney down is the problem, no, the other 50 who lounge through the door and walk into the mines to work there for hours.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:03 pm

But it kind of defeats the point of having the gate, if people will continously 'pick' it open, and go mine some coal. Lol. That's what every self-respecting thief would do, with a supressed hammer naturally.

You don't really believe that each dwarf who has walked throught the gates without being given a key has been roleplaying a thief or whatnot?
I think, that they do it because they can, they are just trying to justify doing so by claiming to be a thief.
Quite simple.

PS.
Each time the guards would be fooled, would mean that they probably wouldn't fall for the same trick for the second time, and if succesfully tricked they would be considerably more alarmed from that point onwards.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:05 pm

hm, what do ya say to the fact that we, the dwarves of silverbrand, have saw the gates open many times? in the last days we have to close the doors every morning because some dwarfs have opened them in the night and walk away (iam sure that this was every time the same dwarf). most dwarfes of silverbrand are from germany, because of that they haven't the time to close them in the night. but see, if we have roleplayed npc_dwarfes in silverbrand than iam sure they would close them, right?. it isn't okay to open the gates while all dwarfish players are at sleep, walking away, and perhaps logging of and logging in with another char who is now able to walk into silverbrand and mine, or doing wahtever he wants to do. i don't think that this is really good rp.

Maktan Hardtooth. · Post by **Maktan Hardtooth.** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:08 pm

Why not make actual keys?!

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:11 pm

This is impossible at the moment, due to the fact that new items require updated client version AFAIK.
(Correct me if I am wrong)

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:28 am

Maybe in the next version the GMs can consider making keys for private towns and kingdoms.

Hendrik · Post by **Hendrik** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:44 pm

first i dont know that SOO many people go there and steal coal,i play a thief and basicly wanted to search something with value(i dont walked smiling through the streets,of course i searched cover behind walls and go step by step through silverbrand...as i found nothing from worth(or any dwarf that could make the situation more interesting)i thought,why not get some coal?so i sneaked to the mine and stay there 15 minutes,found 5 coal...so my thief thought,its not worth the time,and leave again,sneaking)

second,only you are a dwarf doesnt make you perfect,the same for every so called guard...

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:07 pm

You CAN get into the SilverBrand, you just have to know how.

Thoram Steinfaust · Post by **Thoram Steinfaust** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:18 pm

Konstantin K wrote:You CAN get into the SilverBrand, you just have to know how.

thats our problem...

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:21 pm

There are several RP- valid ways. But most only work once, and then never again.

Ganabi · Post by **Ganabi** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:22 pm

[Edit: Double Post]

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 5:09 pm

If your Character lies, than your Character lies.
There is no "bad Roleplay" in it.

Get off that Track, once and for all.
Think before your shout these words in random directions.

It is ONLY "bad Roleplay" to use gameweaknesses to enter Silverbrand.
It is ONLY "bad Roleplay" if your Character does not accept that you are in "dangerous terrain".

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 6:59 pm

IMO Keikan, it's not the character that lies. It's the player.

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:16 pm

How can you be sure about this?

I see Dwarfs talking about "Keys" everywhere.
Why shouldnt the Character lie to cover the (valid) trick how he got in?
Or maybe he even covers a Dwarf who opens the Gate for money.

There are various possibilies.
Just claiming "everyone is making bad rp" is very contra-productive and doesnt raise support for your situation.