Prison Time & Problems

Argonia · Post by **Argonia** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:01 am

Hello,

I do agree with Elariliths topic about problems with the jail. But my strong opinion Is that the time limit In Jail Is way too much, 7-10 Hours watching a computer screen Is not exactly the best thing I want to do with my time, It does probably bring the Roleplaying element but i think the time Is far too much, and the fact that you actually have to be In the game to stay In jail. My personal opinions :

1) Some Internet Servers make users pay by the minute, and It Is a great waste of money and time watching your Illarion Avatar In a prison doing nothing for 10+ hours.

2) I think that either the time limit should be shortened or that when players 'kill' they get put In a 'Public Prison' where they can still watch what happening.

3) I also would rather be banned for 10 hours (from the game) rather then having to be In the actual game.

4) I think Illarion can loose alot of Users because I know If I was put In prison for 10 hours I would just quit and not waste my money and time.

The main problem I am facing Is that my brother 'messed up' his account by commiting crimes and being sent to prison, I have discovered Illarion and now because there Is an account problem I want to use my brothers account, but I find hes In prison for 10 hours.

This Is a great problem which has stop or let the people have their say.

Thanks for your time,

Argonia

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:03 am

Actually a lot of people have quit this game because they were put in jail and didnt want to play for 10 hours in the prison...

Argonia · Post by **Argonia** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:06 am

Yes thats a point, but Is that not benefitial for Illarion ?

Because I thought the whole Idea Is to get new users (not too many) and If Illarion Integrated a marketing system then it would be bad if there were no users.

I told my friends about Illarion, and they asked about it and I said well If you 'kill' someone In the game you get put In Prison for 10 hours, they just said how sad and said no way am I going on It.

Xaveria · Post by **Xaveria** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:07 am

Argonia wrote: I want to use my brothers account, but I find hes In prison for 10 hours.

It ist forbidden to share accounts. You and your brother can be banned for this.

And if you PK in town 10 h is the time to think about what you or your brother done.

You may have time to think about your chars acting and read a good book.

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:08 am

Well, I think that people should be able to pay a standard amount to the person who accused them of the crime, as well as a standard amount to Lyrenzia, or whomever put them in jail, to get out of jail. Also, make a rule so that at least 1 hour of jail is served, so that the rich people only have a limited advantage. This way, if the person does not want to serve jail time, they can pay some of their way out of jail.

Argonia · Post by **Argonia** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:12 am

Well I personally think you should have a chance to get out of jail, like a Parol (roleplaying element)

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:13 am

But Xaveria, it is not PK it is a roleplayed kill. Or a roleplayed fight. Why should you think about something you planned? Not to mention you can think that you won't be found guilty, but then one of the judges decided to have a "vendeta" against your character and you are put in jail because of that. Well, that is all nice for the judge but it sucks for you because your in jail for 10 hours.
I say they just scrap the whole thing. Make a new island for bad people. A place where a person can walk around, fish, maybe mine, but he would be alone or something. That would be better then 10 hours of nothing. ANd if you were put on the island for jailers, you would stay there for 10 hours of game time or something, but you could get productive things done.

Xaveria · Post by **Xaveria** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:23 am

Grant Herion wrote:But Xaveria, it is not PK it is a roleplayed kill. Or a roleplayed fight.

But those cant be, cause there is no justice from lyrenzia since one or two weeks. And the only one who was declared guilty is Harkan. So the prison can have been done of an ingame reason. A GM normaly can tell about those things. Maybe not a Pking but there are more reason left.

It is shown at the starting of the game.

And what do you like more, to get banned or to be in jail?

Argonia · Post by **Argonia** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:24 am

I know 'Runescape' isn't very good and it doesn't focus on Roleplaying like Illarion, but I think their 'Fighting System' Is good, that you have to be In a certain area to kill people.

With Illarion, you are not 'Allowed' to cast In Trolls Bane, If you do you normally get Killed, but with the Killing thing its like If they came to the same level of 'Casting In town' with the punishments of Killing you would get sent to prison everytime you casted, and they would just turn casting in town off, which would be very unfair.

And another thing I remember this Admin character called Darlok or something, he killed loads of people, but he wasn't sent to prison!!!

I hope i make sense.

Argonia · Post by **Argonia** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:26 am

Banned, because at least then you can do other stuff, like read emails or talk to friends or surf the web, and pass the ban time while doing fun stuff rather then watching your self in prison for 10 hours

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:18 am

Well Xaveria, Harken and Seth Valor were sent to Jail.. And seth was sent to jail with only the testimony of Maktan.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:24 am

just for information. ya can buy ya free of ya jailtime. one silver for each hour of jail and ya don't must go to jail.

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:51 am

I think its more like 10 silver...according to Lyrenzia.

Hagen von Rabenfeld · Post by **Hagen von Rabenfeld** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:59 am

There are several ways to avoid people staring at their Char for hours.

1) Do not get caught. Simply do not commit such stupid crimes, like casting flames all around, when people are watching you.

2) Pay the fine.

3) Be an outlaw. You can hide in the wilds, join Northerot or simply stay at a friends house outside the town. You could roleplay as a highway man or sneak into the city if you are in need of supplies. Thats leads to the most important point.

4) Roleplay it. There are hundreds of possibilities to spend your time in prison. You do not have to plan very much, just telling other players that you have an idea for a plot and when you will be online.

For instance:
-try to break out (would require someone with the keys )
-making plans and connections with other criminals, who are thrown into prison too
-your friends can visit you
-you get questioned or someone wants to make a deal, if you reveal important informations
-The people you wronged come to see you been punished (throwing of food, shouts like "the stake" etc.)
-you offer to work for the community to repair the damadge you made (and hope this lessens your punishment

)

I think i made my point clear. Roleplay depends on interaction, you can make a well played scene out of almost any situation. The prison is mostly an IG method, so solve it IG. If everyone would roleplay more cooperative, when it comes to disadvantages for one`s own char, there would be no need for the technical aspect.
Example: Yesterday a dwarven thief was chased by a horde of maybe six dwarves of silverbrand. All of them mad at him, because he had a key to their kingdom. He stopped and was surounded quickly. After a few words he simply left, by dragging his char through a gap in the lines. As if noone would hold him, or simply but a blade in his way to block the escape route. They would have had to "teleport" him into prison or , most likely, kill him. (as no #me was involved it would simply be a question of reactions) And there isnt much roleplay involved in pressing ctrl and click on the enemy, isnt it?

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:21 am

Sorry I didn't really feel like reading all of it. However don't do the crime if you can't do the time. YOU pick what your character is and what he/she does. It's nobody's fault but your own.

Guillermo Ballesta · Post by **Guillermo Ballesta** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:22 am

Argonia wrote: 3) I also would rather be banned for 10 hours (from the game) rather then having to be In the actual game.

that whould simply be no punishment.
In every society its just normal that you get punished for your crimes, it whould have nothing to do with RP if it whouldnt be that way in illarion.
The fact that some people have to pay money for their connection per hour is a valid argument,
but the alternative way whould be to ban him from playing for a much longer periond (one week or more).
If you just put him in prision for 10 hours of illarion time (without being online) the criminal whould just go to bed and continue with his crimes on the next day.

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:28 am

Exactly...I sleep 10 hours. I could commit a crime when I play before I go to bed...then do my time...wake up and be free. That's no punishment!

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:29 am

maybe 10 days offline instead of 10 hours online?

Ezor Edwickton · Post by **Ezor Edwickton** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 6:47 am

Let me see if i understand this. If you are put in jail it is for the set number of game time hours, not real life hours? meaning you must be logged in for a certain amount of time in jail?

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:06 am

When I coded the prison in the game, the default was in minutes.

Banning defaulted to day.

I never envisioned that someone would be jailed for more that 2 or 3 hours at the absolute most. I intentionally made the prison boring so that people wouldn't want to go back. Not so they would quit the game.

Pronon Palmsuger · Post by **Pronon Palmsuger** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:41 am

What if you play a thief though? Do not do the crimes is a silly explanation, This is why theif are so hard to play (although Pronon is not) You steal something, and your record is neve forgotten, merely running away wont work because someone could go back to Trail number 1 find that the person hasnt been imprisoned and go find them. The truth is that Lyrenzia will get you if your guilty. Thats my only dislike about Lryenzia, perhaps the theifs trail could be deleted after so long?

I dont have a problem with the ten hours, but playing a theif andeing put on trail means your cought.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:36 am

Well hell Pronon...just playing a bad guy is tough...sure you can join Northrot.,..but then your Darloks pet...Jail time isnt all that bad, just try not to get caught. Maybe if you are a good rp'er and plan your crimes and discuss it with the gms, maybe if you are caught you will be cut a little slack since there was no OOC questions about your resons behind what you did.

Caranthir the great · Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:21 am

If you really really want to do crimes, then try not to do them in middle of the mainstreet and then wonder what went wrong and bitch about how hard it is to roleplay a baddie.

I do don't have anything against turning the jailtime into days, but I doubt that it'll do too much to the complains. I can hear it already 'OMG jailing me for week is thraumatizing and forced roleplay blah blah blah'

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:46 pm

caranthir is right. if ya think stealing from somone while many peoples are around is a good idea for a thieve, than it is ya own fault to get punished. a smart thieve will steal from someone while no witnesses are around, because than he cannot be punished. without witnesses, no jail. it is easy. and if ya think ya must set fire an everything, or on a person, while 5 other players ar around,than it is ya own fault. if ya think ya should kill someone while two other players can see it,than ya are a really dumb killer. i think the most players who do something like that WANT it that their charakter is seen by witnesses while he is doing that. but please people, ya chara dont want to be seen while he doing crimes, believe me. the player of fooser have done that before.he was smart with that. he set fire to the town while noone have saw him. i just come up from silverbrand and saw the fire,and a few minutes later that fooser walks around, and from the point from where he comes i saw again fire. but i never saw him do that, because of that i wasn't able to make a trial against him. but i have knew that he was it.that was a good action.

and serpardum, the most persons who comes into jail doesn't think "uh, that wasn't great, i don't want to get jailed again". they jsut think "okay, that were 5 hours, let see who is my next victim". they cannot play that the jailtime wasn't fun for their charakters.

Vindigan · Post by **Vindigan** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:46 pm

The land between notherot and trolls bane is out of both the laws. Just rob the people who are traveling between them

Lothar Robuth · Post by **Lothar Robuth** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:46 pm

You dont learn from it, if you get jail for only 1 or 2 hours!

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:57 pm

I dont have a problem with the ten hours, but playing a theif andeing put on trail means your cought.

If you play your thief well, nobody will catch you.
If you had been cought it means you played your char badly. (a few exception exist, for example your aim is to be cought )

That´s like the "real world" only a unknown thief is a good thief, if the people know you, you can resign your "job".

True, it´s not possible to play your thief well with all other chars here, not all can roleplay in Illarion, even if they passed the "tests" at the beginning.
You must extract with whom you can play a robbery and with whom not.

If your choice was bad, it doesn´t matter what you do ( mask cloak your face, a wide coat and cape hide your body ), they will remember you because of your number.

Valdonyr Alkidor · Post by **Valdonyr Alkidor** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:19 pm

about this 10 hours jail online... i agree with it !!
i know it is boring to have to stay 10 hours online .. but thats a punishment when something is boring or makes you feel sorry for finding yourself in such a situation.
this helps so that crimes and thefts are never made again, or else if made again, with more care and plans not to get caught again.
see what i mean? i agree with the hours of jail having to stay online... what punishment would it be then? and like someone already said, you could rp while you are in jail to escape or something else.
i find it to make sense... in fact, i stay very on the alert of not breaking the law of troll's bane because i do not want to spend my time in jail.... like true life

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:39 pm

The problem most of the time is if the victim of crime has no name then they will just write the persons entire number in double brackets so it is impossible not to know who they are.

Could it be made a rule by if you write a person's entire character number then your trial is automatically fortited, otherwise it is far too unfair IMO?

I think that 10 hours of gameplay spent in a fecking box is too much, it should be decided by the prisoner if he/she wants to spend 10 hours gameplay in prison, or say 5 days of that char not playing illarion. I'm sure that would be better?

Argonia · Post by **Argonia** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:13 pm

sorry to sound newbie'ish , but is 10 hours In Illarion, different to 10 Hours in the real world ? like is 10 hours (Worldwide time) say 10 minutes In Illarion time or the other way round ?

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