The Jail

Pronon Palmsuger · Post by **Pronon Palmsuger** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:34 pm

Actually they DO go and catch you, The roleplay for that hs been improved immensely. (your just going to have to trust me on that one)
they do not just teleport you there

And Breakouts ARE possible. Not sure if there leagal but they are possible. Rather than just use this way (which I will not tell) you can RP it.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 3:40 pm

hm, elaralith wants a medievil punishmentsysthem? okay, than we should build a pillor for the minor crimes. of course that would be the samelike the jail, but it would be in the middle of town. of course magic persons should be cut of their tongue, because they are still dangerous for all others while they are at the pillor. larger crimes, like the charakter of elaralith have done it, should be punished with the death. final death, no visit at the cross. and thieves should be cut of a hand. we can play this that they loose a part of their quickness, or something like that.of course forever. hm, i think the whipe would be a good punishment too. let say 20 hits with the whipe for a minor crime. and because being death is just like being unconscious this means 20 deaths for a minor crime. hm, yes, that would be good medievil punishments. ar, and we can punish witches too. of course just like it was done in the medievil times. we bound them with a rope and throw them into the river. if they sink they are no witches and free, but if they swim and don't sink they are witches and get killed.

Pronon Palmsuger · Post by **Pronon Palmsuger** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 4:33 pm

Another way to punish witchs would be tye them to a pole and burn them. If they burn there not a witch, but die anyway. If they dont burn theres a witch and have there heads removed curtisie of the royal family.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:00 pm

Enough of the Witch bashing, please.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:08 pm

um... why>? It is showing Elaralith that if she wants Medival punishments, then this is what would come if we did it.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:13 pm

see, elaralith wrote that she wants more realistic medievil jailsysthem. in the medievil time ya have had many punishments, and jail wasn't the common ones. if she wants such punishments, she gets it. but she wants this punishments not so cruel like they were in the medievil times. she just wants the "movielike" jails and punishments of the medievil times. but the true once was cruel, unfair, and nothing what we as players wants in the game.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:21 pm

@Galim Stop babbling. I tried to make sense of your posts, but I could not unfortunately. Calm yourself and then you may PM to explain yourself. I am proposing a more realistic, roleplay enhancing jail not some crazy contraption out of a Hollywood horror movie. That would be worse than the jail we have now.

@Grant Learn to read. Nowhere did I propose we have harsher "medieval" punishments.

@Brendan Thank you.

@Pronon I won't even reply to the latest post of yours, which is spam. As for trusting your information, unfortunately this cannot be done as your information is totally wrong.

@Caranthir This is not about the "jail time". Noone is complaining about the jail time. It is the way the jail is abused that needs changing.

@Faramier Easy solution? What are you even talking about? There are characters that are roleplayed as good and evil and there needs to be equal opportunity for both kinds of characters to have maximum freedom in roleplaying.

@Gro'bul I am concerned about the freedom to roleplay for less experienced players that cannot get ahold of a GM. If you know so much about GMs you should also know that it is no easy task for just anyone to get a GM to help. This is not about *me* because *I* as a more experienced player can get a GM to help with my roleplay.

@Mishrack I know jail breaks are not "common" but they should not be "impossible" as they are now without the help of a GM.

@Adano I concur. I know some jailings have not been abused too badly, but the fact remains that most are abused.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:26 pm

El...please stop you constant belittleing of others. It gets rather annoying and you build your reputation as rude immature person even more. how about instead of bitching, moaning, and then criticizing everyone who responds...how about you just play in game and rp...because according to you you are ooooo so good at it.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:31 pm

@Arkadia Belittling? Funny how you do exactly what you accuse me of doing. Please don't state your insulting opinion here and spam this thread. You may send me a PM if you like. There you can say whatever you like about my so called "belittling" and the like.

rude immature person even more. how about instead of bitching, moaning, and then criticizing everyone

Do I need to bring up the countless threads of yours which are titled "my bitchings"? Nomatter your hypocrisy I can ignore, but your intent to flame I will only ignore this once.

how about you just play in game and rp...because according to you you are ooooo so good at it.

Please stop lying. You may lie IC but OOC it is rather irritating. I have never called myself a "good roleplayer".

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:34 pm

Good job editing your last post to try to make me seem like an idiot. Well, it didn't work because I still know what it said. And spam? Shall I go through all your posts and dig up how much spam you have thrown all over these boards that had no reason except to anger people? Seriously, is that all you do is sit at your comptuer and think "What can I write on the boards or do in game to piss everyone off?"

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:36 pm

This leads nowhere.

To Elaralith:
Stop it here, simply stop it.
Dont even start a agrument or let be drawn in one.

The Jail System cannot be changed right now.
I might change in the future.

Players with the ability to jail are closely watched, any "abuse" leads not only to a loss of this ability but more stricter punishments.

The Jails is also used as OOC - Punishments for minor rulebreaks and first-doers.
Therefore "Escapes" are out of discussion.

Be happy that the Jail is used for InGame punishments, this right can be removed form the comuity anytime.
(It wont, so dont moan.)

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:36 pm

@Arkadia Get your spamming out of this thread immediately. You have tried to start a flame war, insulted me OOC, and now are continually going off topic with spam. My tolerance level of this wears thin.

@Keikan This proposal is for the far future...it is fine with me if it cannot me changed anytime soon. If you like I have some more ideas I can PM you for the jail system that can be considered.

The Jails is also used as OOC - Punishments for minor rulebreaks and first-doers.
Therefore "Escapes" are out of discussion.

That is one of the problems. The people that are supposedly jailed as an IC punishment get a sort of OOC punishment instead.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:38 pm

Hmm speaking of people that have the ability to jail... has anyone seen or heard from Dyluck in the last... two months?

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:39 pm

I think he is out and about selling magic books for way too much.

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:40 pm

I do not think, that our Jail needs a change, so any proposal sent to me is useless.

This is also not the proposal board.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:41 pm

I love our jail system. It should never be changed. It is great. Anyone wanting to change it should be tarred, feathered, and bitten by a rabid moose.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:42 pm

@Keikan

I do not think, that our Jail needs a change, so any proposal sent to me is useless.

If you are so arrogant to believe that anything can be "perfect" then be sure that I will not waste any of my precious time writing any proposal to you.

Anlan Erson · Post by **Anlan Erson** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:43 pm

hehehe Rabid moose now that is something I never heard before

Sorry about the spam

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:45 pm

You should not insult me.

I never said it is "perfect" , as I do belive there is no natural status of perfection of any system or anything.

But I do belive that the current Jail System serves it propose well enouth.
"If it aint brocken, dont fix it."

Anlan Erson · Post by **Anlan Erson** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:47 pm

Keikan Hiru wrote:"If it aint broken, dont fix it."

If it aint broken, better it

My little saying

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:49 pm

El...If everyone RP'ed correctly then I think your idea is great....hell, we wouldnt even need doors on the jail...just someone to stand there...It would be great...problem is, too many people cant rp worth a flip, and also this is online, and things come up and you have to log off, or your connection fails, or you have work and get online that day or (for the kiddies) you have to go to Mrs. Nelsons first grade class......With all the factors, a ccruder system works far better....So I would say, instead of trying to make the gms fix and make everything better...you should think of a filtering system that lets people in game.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:56 pm

Arkadia, calm down now, we don't want this to turn into a huge ooc flame war that gets you and elaralith banned, same goes for you Elaralith.

Now i agree with Kieken, the jail does it's purpose which is to hold someone in a certain spot for a certain amount of time. I am sure that if you asked a GM and had a lot of roleplay behind you could roleplay breaking out of the jail. I of course haven't tried it because Grant has managed to sneak out of being jailed many a time.
So like Kieken said, topic is closed.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:02 pm

@E
The changes you proposed, would only encourage people to REALLY abuse the jailsystem. What kind of abusement are you talking about anyways? The fact that if you are in town there is a pretty good chance of 'capturing' you? Well, if people could be trusted to roleplay their capture, perhaps this can be changed. Too bad, that those *I* would trust with this, aren't probably ever going to be jailed.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:05 pm

This is kinda spooky...Caranthir and I share the same opinion.....that is a first....I must be sick or something

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 3:49 am

If you're sick Arkadia, then I'm already vomitting.

It's true what Caranthir says. Imagine, people can commit IC or OOC crimes all the time, and still have a fair chance of escape...then it wouldn't be necessarily "escaping from jail," it would be "escaping from time out" (which is a hell lot easier escaping from than jail).

Say, why not remove the walls all together, and use the honor system by being imprisoned in a circle of lovely trees? Oh, I know why...because it's lame. It seems as if you're still a bit PO'ed from being jailed in the past Elaralith, wandering around, with nothing to do in there. I mean, implementing this suggestion would only make it even easier for you if you were to ever commit yet another crime with one of your characters. It seems as if you want the easiest possible way of suffering from your punishment, if you are even suggesting criminals get one.

Although I can't say I've been jailed before, it can be very easy to ask for an RP reason to escape from something large like 30 hours of jail time. Maybe an old fogie of a fellow prisoner is a sorceror and can make stone move? Maybe you can somehow make a tool out of the old skeleton bones to use as an escape tool? There are infinite possibilities, you just have to be creative and try it at the proper time/situation.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 3:52 am

I was thinking of getting help from outside of jail... Like friends.... Like strong friends...

Raigeki · Post by **Raigeki** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 12:52 pm

WOW...I WANNA GO TO JAIL NOW...if that will happen...that is a great idea. So great that I have jumped straight down the forum and onto reply. Think about it people this is a brilliant idea! We need jail breaks to give you a possible escape out of jail..but maybe we also need some type of tag or color to reprosent you are in jail so if you go to the city people can kill you and you will get higher prices on items.

i would love to be a guard or a police person who knocks criminals unconceous and drags them to jail

Raigeki · Post by **Raigeki** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:25 pm

Now i feel realy stupid. I have read the whole thread and found myself talking upon long term players. I feel that I have spammed.

Sorry for spamming with my post

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:41 am

@Arkadia Yes, you are right I have assumed that most illarion players are good roleplayers. Is this assumption not well founded? I would have thought the account system would guarantee a certain level of expertise.

@Caranthir The jail system is already abused technically.

@Bloodhearte PO'ed from being in jail? What the hell are you talking about? This proposal is not for me or my "bitterness" about being jailed for the last time. If you would like to know I am quite happy with my character Elaralith being in jail right now as it is part of a planned quest. Please stop it with your stupid assesments of my "motives".

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:44 am

If you don't clear up everything, you leave room for assumption. Elaralith you should remember this is a game, games are to have fun. There is the human ability to lie, therefore bypassing the account system to have fun on your "l33t s()()p4 h@lF!ing"

As the gm's have said countless times : Never trust the players.

I wouldn't trust me either.

Giving others negative feedback on their veiws isn't very courteous, I'm sure you know what tact is.