*a thick scroll*

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:47 am

A thick scroll is found at the base of the board, it has much text on it and is written in clearly fine writing. There is a lot of room at the bottom of the scroll for replies.

The Grey Rose is going to Far and How

Is found at the top-center of the scroll...

I have thought much of writing this and have decided obviously to write it, so I have written it. It may surprise you, it may not effect you, but maybe it will stir something inside you to help stop this.

The Grey Rose has declared war on Northerot and all who dwell within it. They have been inactive and in my opinion just want to make news and try and live back in their glory days. You see, many years ago, the Grey Rose was a powerful guild. But now it is a shadow, many of its members have left our shores. So they want to make war so they are seen again and maybe people will join.

So The Grey Rose declares war on Northerot, and Darlok does not recognize it because there is no real reason to war, unless you count The Grey Rose wanting to be popular again. So for many weeks the Grey Rose does nothing, now they try and start a war again, after the drought is over and there is finally peace.

Now The Grey Rose has made demands about what they want for the war. They want Northerot citizens to never be in Trolls Bane or they will be killed instantly. They want to control the Trolls Bane citizens by telling them to not trade with Northerot citizens, if they are caught trading The Grey Rose has given itself the right to take away the items, (much like theivery). They want to kill every Northerot citizen.

Who is the Grey Rose to tell citizens of Trolls Bane who to trade with? When did they have the power to do this? Are they the government of Trolls Bane? Did anyone elect them?

Who is the Grey Rose to put Trolls Bane under martial law? They haven't been active for years and now they wake up in time to start a war and control a town?

And now they want Northerot citizens to not cross through Trolls Bane. You see, I can understand this and accept this. I only go through Trolls Bane to sell staffs and other wood items to Eliza. But now The Grey ROse has decided to take that away. They have also taken away the right for Northerot citizens to go to the other half of the island. You see, The Grey Rose has built a castle in the middle of the island, then they build a gate that completely cuts off Northerot from the other half of the island. We are forced to go through Trolls Bane to get to the other half of the island, (reasons for going there are our own).

The Grey Rose is hypocrasy. They complain about Darlok rebuilding the Ogre Castle, albeit he did it in a ruthless fasion, (though he gave Lyrenzia a week to decide what to do). So they complain about Darlok taking over Northerot, but they sure don't mind building their castle over the ceremony cave and the land surrounding it. Who gave them that right? Are they above everyone else?

So who are the Grey Rose to tell anyone what to do? They do it on their own whims. I hope I have opened a lot of people's eyes.

Truely,

Prince Grant Herion, Founder of the Movement, Advisor to Lord Darlok of the North.

The writing ends and the parchment goes on for many inches for replies.

Guillermo Ballesta · Post by **Guillermo Ballesta** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:18 am

Darlok wrote:Tresspassing will be fined with 200 Coins, or Equipment equal the sum

and you complain about the grey rose?
Everyone who enters northerot without paying is killed!
But you enter trollsbane whenever you want and do whatever you want here.

Grant Herion wrote:I hope I have opened a lot of people's eyes.

Ohh yes, you have.

Grant Herion wrote:The Grey Rose is hypocrasy

and what are you?

Please stop complaining about the rose, Northerot is neither better nor fairer nor less hypocritical.
But the ones that will suffer most under this situation will be the weak ones, like in every war, the ones who dont support either of the parts involved.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:27 am

The Grey Rose does not accept this monument of treachery you like to call "Northerot".
It's "founder", Darlok, once a noble man among ourselves, has continously betrayed and threatened the entire town with his acts.
These include support of dark creatures, namely the demon who posessed Pellandria, with the intend to get hold of their dark magic, studying and usage of dark magics and necromancy, a pact with Drakhen Vorkalion himself, with the intend of distributing cursed mirrors among the population of Troll's Bane, and finally the exploition of the negative side effects of his magic to blavkmail Lyrenzia and force them to build his little home.
Darlok is a criminal in our eyes, and we cannot allow this person to get through with such behaviour and leave him the possibility to threaten the population of Troll's Bane again when he thinks it is needed to get his will.
Each person supporting such a criminal has to be seen as a criminal too, and has to be treatened as such. hence we give everyone the possibility to distance himself from Darlok and show that he does not support him and his criminal actions. Every person who still insists of supporting him shows that he shares Darloks criminal way of thinking and forces us to refuse him the right to enter this town in order to keep Darlok from hurting our innocent citizens.

Adano Eles

Knight of the Grey Rose
Student of the Khana Len; apprentice of the Great Temple of the Five and Eleven

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:06 pm

Adano, when was Darlok ever "Noble" in your eyes?

When it seems that this small rivalry the knights and Darlok have go back for some time, according to the books I've seen in the library, and events I've witnessed.

Adano Wrote: Each person supporting such a criminal has to be seen as a criminal too, and has to be treatened as such. hence we give everyone the possibility to distance himself from Darlok and show that he does not support him and his criminal actions. Every person who still insists of supporting him shows that he shares Darloks criminal way of thinking and forces us to refuse him the right to enter this town in order to keep Darlok from hurting our innocent citizens.

So every man, his wife and horse in northerot is a criminal?

Maybe grant is right, it is a hypocricy, if you think you can judge others on the actions of a single tyrant.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:16 pm

Which rightful being would voluntarily support someone whose only intention is to reach his goals, regardless of the interests and life of others?
We gave those who were forced to enter Darloks services the chance to leave him under our protection, and even made special agreements with those who saw no other possibility then to remain citizen of Northerot, so this is no argument in my eyes.
So tell me, why should someone else but another criminal support Darloks criminal ideas?

Adano Eles

Rustas Ocklam · Post by **Rustas Ocklam** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:20 pm

What gives you the right to refuse entry into TrollsBane?

~RO~

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:23 pm

I'll tell you who.

How about the people who simply don't want to recognise your conditions or those of lyrenzia?

Becuase they disagree, they are crminals then?

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:30 pm

So because they do not accept Lyrenzia they support someone would hurt innocents to achieve his goals? So they are fighting their quarrels with Lyrenzia on the backs of innocents?
And then you wonder that we are forced to do our honor duty to protect Troll's Bane on the backs of those people? Everyone who is willing to harm innocents to acieve his goals is not better then Darlok himself.

Adano Eles

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:32 pm

Tell me this Adano

who else IS there to support?

You have Lyrenzia to the south and mid

and Northerot to the north

There is no where else TO support.

Falk vom Wald · Post by **Falk vom Wald** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:33 pm

Rustas Ocklam wrote:What gives you the right to refuse entry into TrollsBane?

~RO~

If you are unable to recognize Lyrenzia as the living law of Trollsbane, you just have to recognize the sword of the Rose as Lyrenzias force of justice. No need to argue about, no need to look for a fine balance of power, no civil rights or democratic structures if the town is under danger. It's just the way it is. Lyrenzia is the law and Grey Rose is the sword. Very simply. Just for you.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:36 pm

Nobody forbids them to form their own community and - peacefully - claim their own piece of land. Also their are enough people in Troll's Bane who do not support Lyrenzia and never did they face any suppression from uor side.
We protect those that want to be protected from those they need to protected from.

Adano Eles

Rustas Ocklam · Post by **Rustas Ocklam** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:36 pm

I do not believe you have the right to judge what people are or what people are not. I also believe you have no right to say who comes into town or doesnt. Therefor, I say to you and to Darlock and to anyother do not try and force what you believe onto others that do not think the same way. If you try this you are no better than the person you hate

~R.O~

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:38 pm

Ok Adano, so someone wants to peacefully take some of Lyrenzia's land

So besides charging an unheard of amount of silver for the land to start with, whose to say these people also wont be thought of criminals?

Falk vom Wald · Post by **Falk vom Wald** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:43 pm

Rustas Ocklam wrote:I do not believe you have the right to judge what people are or what people are not. I also believe you have no right to say who comes into town or doesnt. Therefor, I say to you and to Darlock and to anyother do not try and force what you believe onto others that do not think the same way. If you try this you are no better than the person you hate

~R.O~

Everybody may believe what everybody wishes. But inside Trollsbane the law of Lyrenzia is the faith that counts. And believe it or not: The sword will have its eye on you.

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:46 pm

The Law of Lyrenzia is nothing.

Lyrenzia is an anarchy who took over, much the same as Darlok, caused at least half as much pain and suffering as Darlok, and now is letting the Grey Rose Knights ACT like Darlok.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:52 pm

As Lyrenzia does not claim any land outside Troll's Banes they cannot charge any money. If someone has to pay, then not to us.
And yes, we could call them criminals too, but we could call anyone everything if we wished. But unlike certain troublemakers (mostly citizens of Northerot) say it is not our intention to do that.

Adano Eles

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:54 pm

I recognise neither Lyrenzian or Northeroth law.

Does this make me a criminal?

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:57 pm

As Lyrenzian law is nothing else then the unwritten rules people declared by themselves a long time ago, no, unless you murder or steal within the borders of Troll's Bane.

Adano Eles

Falk vom Wald · Post by **Falk vom Wald** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:58 pm

The Returner wrote:The Law of Lyrenzia is nothing.

How could I ever believe we could be able to find any compromise. How foolish men can be, ah? Don't try to find out, how far we can go. At the hour you may harm Lyrenzia's Law you may find out the bitter taste of nothing.

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:00 pm

Was that a threat, or a promise?

I Don't plan on harming anyone, I am a man of peace, not harbringer of death.

Get your facts on this straight, becuase I think you misunderstood me.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:10 pm

Adano and Gillermo, both of you have the wrong set minds. You see, it wasn't Lyrenzia who build the castle. It was the backbone of the Trolls Bane citizens and by saying Lyrenzia built the castle you are implying that Lyrenzia controls Trolls Bane, which you have denied correct?
And since the castle was built from the backbone of Trolls Bane citizens, shouldn't they have the right to go to war with Northerot if they wanted, and not The Grey Rose? Because when the castle was being built the Grey Rose wasn't around. And since most citizens just want to put the past behind us, I am pretty sure they would simply want peace, maybe a few conditions but peace.

And Gillermo, most of the time no one pays the fews, and they leave and no one dies. I doubt you have been up to Northerot tho, so you have no clue what I am talking about.

Prince Grant Herion, Founder of the Movement and Advisor to Lord Darlok

John Irenicus · Post by **John Irenicus** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:15 pm

Mhh, why always we have to make the first step?
Why don't you start what you call "peace".
You kill the people who walk up to north.
You attacked the town and started the heat.
Some of your members don't follow the town rights of Troll's Bane and kill and headhunt.

I think Lyrenzia just tries to save the people in Troll's Bane. If you start with radical methods, there have to come radical methodes back. If you want peace make peace and make the first step.
I think it is not too late yet.

John Irenicus

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:00 pm

The point is not who built the castle, the point is how they were made building it. If Darlok would simply have payed some workers to build him a castle from his own money we probably wouldn't be in this situation now. But he used magic to threaten the island with a drought abd blackmailed the people to build it. And don't tell me he didn't, I was there to hear his demands.
"Build me a castle right here and I will end the drought" he said.
This is blackmailing and criminal behaviour and the Grey Rose can and will not accept your unrightful claims of this land, and we will keep on fighting Darlok and everyone who supports his insane plans until he recieved the punishment he deserves.

Adano Eles

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:11 pm

In that case, the Grey Rose lost this battle before the first knight entered the field.

Guillermo Ballesta · Post by **Guillermo Ballesta** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:28 pm

Grant Herion wrote:And Gillermo, most of the time no one pays the fews, and they leave and no one dies. I doubt you have been up to Northerot tho, so you have no clue what I am talking about.

I only used the official laws of your land as argument...if they are only a piece of worthless paper that whould be a reason to be happy for all of us.

I hope you are right since I often go to northerot...but since you say "most of the time" I guess that they simply enter and leave without being catched.

Since Im neither member of any guild nor even of lyrenzia I dont receive any protection from them so I really dont care about this war (as long as it isnt extendet to innocent people, but im sure it will), But its simply a fact that Lyrenzia and the rose let me live in peace in there territory and northerot doesnt (at least if I read their laws). So it sounds a little bit starnge to me if you complain about being treaten in a bad way by them since you consider every foreigner who enters northerot as an intruder who has to pay or die.

Regards
~Don Guillermo Ballesta~
free inhabitant of this island

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:23 pm

It is a simple concept, don't do it, don't worry. Lyrenzia claims town as their territory and makes laws, Darlok has done the same. He gave up the source, which would be of higher value than any amount of money, so therefore he payed for it. Lyrenzia payed for their caste as well. Just because he doesn't want people travelling to his property and annoying him with arguments and challenges doesn't mean he is threatening anyone. WHOEVER CROSSES THE BORDER HAS DONE SO AT THEIR OWN DESCRETION. It is your own decision to do so, face what you could have avoided but chose not to.

~Allerus~

Xaveria · Post by **Xaveria** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:30 pm

Gro'bul wrote:Lyrenzia payed for their caste as well.

That ist wrong....

There is no castle of lyrenzia. Lyrenzia just has a meeting point, I think in the libary.

The castle, I guess that you mean, is the castle of the Circle of the Grey Rose and the Order of the Grey Light. Nothing more and nothing less.

Xaveria
Duchess of Aquitanien
Servant of Sirani
Knight of the Grey Rose

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:39 pm

The Grey Rose collected money which our knights earned by honest trade over years. Darlok blackmailed the town. The fact that he gave up the source of his magic is no payment. It might be of worth, but only to those who are interested in such kind of magic.

Adano Eles

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:13 pm

Your knights are dishonourable if they go through with this offensive move.

I will explain why,

As knights, you've knowing put the town or land your sworn to protect into danger of war.

As knights, who are subject to find ALL routes of peace before war, you avoid peace talks or any other form of reasoning with Darlok to reach a peacefull resolution.

Guillermo Ballesta · Post by **Guillermo Ballesta** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:44 pm

Gro'bul wrote: WHOEVER CROSSES THE BORDER HAS DONE SO AT THEIR OWN DESCRETION. It is your own decision to do so, face what you could have avoided but chose not to.

the point is that Grant Herion is complaining about the fact that citizens of northerot are not welcome anymore in trollsbane.
Dont you think its strange to do this if you dont want "people travelling to your property and annoying you..."?