Lyrenzia keep your Hobbit Guild in Order!

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 2:27 am

I was a witness to the halflings chopping down the trees, nothing that I know of provoked this attack on the trees, they ran as soon as I saw them. Ezorock was annoying us probobly as a diversion, while the others hacked away. This was merely a statement to stop this, not invoke other happenings, as Crosis is a Lyrenzian counciler, and Brendan a member of a lyrenzian guild, we saught lyrenzia to help control their behaviors to bring peace. Officially, that I know of Grant or Darlok gave noone consent to attack anything, therefore it is blood on the individual. So retaliate against them, not the whole.

~Allerus~

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 2:32 am

You do not listen apparently either Nerevar. It seems that this story is spiraling from a minor protest to a maniac lizard bent on killing everyone in town and turning their buildings to ashes in the name of Northerot.

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 2:36 am

.... your forest is gone, well whats this i hear about you guys killing all of the trees donw near trolls bane?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 3:55 am

Yes, i would like to know about us killing all the trees. Especially since the Movement dedicated its whole force to protecting the seeds. I think we deserve a little gratitude for at least trying. And yet you all ignore it. Lyrenzia won't stop this hobbits. Lyrenzia will do nothing. They won't do anything because they play favorites.

Grant

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:05 am

yes the movement has tried, and helped. But i have heard members of the movement have been killing trees, stop! everyone that is killing the trees, stop, it is pointless, let northerot have there forest, it doesnt matter if they have a forest or not...

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:41 am

So, now the point is this. What will Lyrenzia do about this? Nothing? Or will they punish this behavior? I would like to know.

Grant Herion

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 5:23 am

It is kind of strange, How Trollsbane's forest are not the center of attention. But When Northerot Trees get cut, mass panic insues. Just think about it.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 5:27 am

This is because Northerot has never had a forest before. And we want our forest to grow. And because Northerot is a seperate town and different laws. And because Lyrenzian members ruined the Northerot Forest, and it wasn't a Northerot citizen that ruined Trolls Bane's forest.

Grant Herion

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 5:53 am

no grant, why should lyrenzia help? its your land, deal with it

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 5:54 am

Lyrenzia should help because Lyrenzia doesn't want to have a war. And they will have a war if their members continue to cause trouble in our land.

Grant Herion

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:24 am

Salathe wrote:no grant, why should lyrenzia help? its your land, deal with it

Some attitude from the lizard who was the "guardian of the forest".

~Paul Laffing~

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:32 am

gaurdian of the forest? i said i dont want people digging trees up anymore, and i will try to stop people from doing it

grant, dont blame it on the whole of lyrenzia because of the actions of 2, you dont want people thinking badly of northerot because a citizen does a rouch action do you?

Aerinkoth · Post by **Aerinkoth** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:42 am

Dear Mr. Brendan Mason,

Are you Oldra? Do you decide who does and does not deserve the growth of trees around the island? I doubt any of these can be answered in the affirmative, therefore it is safe to conclude that you have committed an offensive action against Northerot.

I grow weary of seeing anarachists sabotage my new home, because of past issues with the monarch. If you have a complaint, take it up with Darlok's advisor, don't cause further damage.

Yours angrily,
-Aerinkoth

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:46 am

Ar, too all who wants to digg out trees. if ya digg out a tree, than plant one or two new ones for them. we cannot nead another drought, we need the trees, so be careful with them.

Galim

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 3:28 pm

Is that the only way Northerot can get things done, Dangling war or drought over our heads.

Azato Menta · Post by **Azato Menta** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 3:34 pm

northerot doesn't provoke this war and never did.
you better read some facts instead of accusing the false fraction,
fool.

-Sleed

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 3:44 pm

Damien wrote: If not, he acted for his own weird kind of fun, and is trying to blame northerot for it, causing a war between northerot and Troll's Bane.

Damien wrote: If he is, he acts in a way that makes it quite clear that he is trying to start a war between northerot and Troll's Bane.

How would I be starting a war? A Lyrenzia councilor came voluntarily to Northerot with the intent to cause damage. That is quite more of an act of war than anything I have done. We're talking about Councilors of Lyenzia, and other members. I acted after I heard of those events, so how does the blame fall on me for starting a war?

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 3:46 pm

Grant Herion wrote:Lyrenzia should help because Lyrenzia doesn't want to have a war. And they will have a war if their members continue to cause trouble in our land.

Grant Herion

The first sentence clearly states if Lyrenzia doesn'y help then there shall be a war. The second isn't in context with the first. First war if we don't help then if we start to cause trouble in northerot. I say Lyrenzia stays where they shoudl, Northerot stays in there land. Solves the problem.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 5:19 pm

Deies wrote: The first sentence clearly states if Lyrenzia doesn'y help then there shall be a war. The second isn't in context with the first. First war if we don't help then if we start to cause trouble in northerot.

Deies, you are rambling. Please, before making any kind of statements, make sure they make logical sense.

~Paul Laffing~

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:05 pm

Alright Deies, what else should I do? Should I hunt down the hobbits in Lyrenzia's land? Should I do nothing? I have no choice. There will be a war if these hobbits continue to ruin our land. This is because there is no other way for me to approach this in a way to make it stop forever.

Grant Herion

p.s. It is funny that no Lyrenzia person has come to state what they will do. They are playing favorites like I knew they would.

Josefine da Vince · Post by **Josefine da Vince** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:59 pm

FooserJohn wrote:A judicial trial? Who are the judges?

Lyrenzia would be the judge, since you did it in Trolls Bane, as you may know. And Trolls Bane is where Lyrenzia is.

FooserJohn wrote:You can blame Darlok for the drought if you wiah, you may blame some members of the north for retaliation, you can blame me for whatever you want, but it comes down to the problem being started in the minds of those who are against Darlok. Look at what you complain about him. Taxing and attacking people who walk on his land?

I do not blame anyone for the drought, that showes that you do not know me. And I do not complain about anything. Northerot is Darlok land, so what? I do not hate Darlok, I never did, so why should I know? Because the grey rose does? Arg you know nothing, so please do not say anything like you do.

FooserJohn wrote: No because they have reason, and most of you would do it too under the same circumstances, even you Josefine. The first reaction to me burning the library was "come and fight me coward", well? The forest up north and the castle are equivelant to the library for us. So you reacted the same way we do.

As I maybe remind you, I never said "come and fight me coward" I just said "come out and stay to what you did coward" there is a difference. I do not fight if it is not necessary. So please stop lieing and try to be the hero of this actions and stop acting in the name of other people of countries. This should be the best for everyone.

Josefine von Irnaron
Elder Templer of the grey light order

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:01 pm

@ Grant
Maybe find a more peaceful way. If I have any Ideas, I shall tell you.

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:16 pm

what peaceful way?? they ruined our lovely forest.

Albernon · Post by **Albernon** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:47 am

We ruined your lovely forest? Darlok ruined our ENTIRE island by causing the drought! He owes Troll's Bane in billions of lost resources and suffering. Anything that is taken from Darlok or his land is simply debt owed to Troll's Bane. Any war or conflict that exists or will break out all traces back to the fault of the one who's boots you lick, and anyone who supports him is equally to blame.

By this little request by Grant Herion, we can see that when it is their own people who are accused of commiting a crime, they claim that Lyrenzia has no power outside of Troll's Bane. But when somebody else comes and does something that doesn't benefit them, they expect that it's Lyrenzia's job to stop them.

And Fooser, your whining that Lyrenzia doesn't recognize territory being owed by Notherot when it claimed Troll's Bane for territory and imposing itself being hypocritical, is getting very old. Just because a kingdom had to kill people in order become the rulers, doesn't mean that it's wrong to make a law on the people afterwards that prevents murder.

When Lyrenzia "self-imposed" itself it was justifiable, because in an anarchy there was no law that defined anything so anything goes. But after Lyrenzia exists, if somebody else tries to "self-impose" itself, it is not justified anymore because it is against the laws and system that Lyrenzia has set out.

In any case, all you "Notherot" people ever do is accuse that Lyrenzia imposed itself on territory when Lyrenzia says they don't recognize your territory. You keep saying how wrong it is that Lyrenzia takes a territory and yet you haven't said what makes YOU right for doing the same thing. Therefore both have done the same thing, except that Northerot has no justice, no elected rulers, and restrictions on entering, so clearly they are much worse in their occupation of this island's territory.

Tal Rash · Post by **Tal Rash** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:45 am

*Sits in the dark parts of the northern forest being amused by the news he hears from a good friend*

Lyrenzia Foundation · Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:12 pm

Is there a Lyrenzian law, which forbids to cut trees? No.
If they have acted against a Northerot law, use your own jurisdiction.
If you kill or cast in Troll's Bane, be aware that you act against Lyrenzian law.
The nature belongs to the gods but not to people.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:30 pm

A foolish decision to be sure of Lyrenzia.

Grant

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:38 pm

These halflings should not be allowed to enter the territory you claim. If they do, then use your law to handle this situation.
If there was a Lyrenzia councelor involved, this is not good, of course, but was not a representative act though.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:45 pm

The law of lyrenzia should forbide any Citizen of Northerot out of Trollsbane. It is only fair.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:52 pm

They are only a judicial system, not a government. They only punish those that break their laws, Grant were merely trying to help keep things peaceful and under control. However, apparently you do not care if people who represent you give you a bad name. I would like to know where is "lyrenzian territory". Is it just Trollsbane?