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Post by Estralis Seborian » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:11 am

Attributes and their use / Attribute und ihr Nutzen

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Dear Illarionites,
Please find a list of all current skills and their associated lead attribute. If you create a new character, keep this list in mind so you don't end up with a weak fighter and a dumb magician and complain that you didn't know how to distribute your attributes.

Please note: This list might be subject of change any time. Also, we'll add new skills in future and these skills will be associated with attributes you might consider "useless" today.
  • Alchemy: Essence
  • Carpentry: Dexterity
  • Concussion Weapons: Strength
  • Cooking And Baking: Dexterity
  • Distance Weapons: Perception
  • Dodge: Agility
  • Farming: Constitution
  • Firing Bricks: Constitution
  • Fishing: Constitution
  • Flute: Dexterity
  • Gemcutting: Dexterity
  • Glass Blowing: Dexterity
  • Goldsmithing: Dexterity
  • Harp: Dexterity
  • Herblore: Constitution
  • Horn: Dexterity
  • Lute: Dexterity
  • Mining: Constitution
  • Parry: Agility
  • Poisoning: Perception
  • Puncture Weapons: Agility
  • Slashing Weapons: Strength
  • Smithing: Dexterity
  • Tactics: Perception
  • Tailoring: Dexterity
  • Woodcutting: Constitution
  • Wrestling: Strength
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Liebe Illarionspieler,
Anhängend findet ihr eine Liste der aktuellen Skills und die dazugehörigen Attribute. Denkt an diese Liste wenn ihr einen neuen Charakter erstellt, damit ihr kein schwachen Kämpfer oder dummen Magier erstellt und euch dann beschwert das ihr nciht wusstest, wie ihr eure Attribute verteilen solltet.
Bitte beachtet: Diese Liste kann sich jederzeit ändern. Wir werden außerdem in Zukunft noch Skills hinzufügen, verknüft zu Attributen die ihr heute vielleicht noch als "nutzlos" einstuft.
  • Ackerbau: Ausdauer
  • Alchemie: Essenz
  • Angeln: Ausdauer
  • Ausweichen: Schnelligkeit
  • Bergbau: Ausdauer
  • Distanzwaffen: Wahrnehmung
  • Edelsteinschleifen: Geschicklichkeit
  • Flöte: Geschicklichkeit
  • Glasblasen: Geschicklichkeit
  • Goldschmieden: Geschicklichkeit
  • Harfe: Geschicklichkeit
  • Hiebwaffen: Stärke
  • Holzfällen: Ausdauer
  • Horn: Geschicklichkeit
  • Kochen und Backen: Geschicklichkeit
  • Kräuterkunde: Ausdauer
  • Laute: Geschicklichkeit
  • Parieren: Schnelligkeit
  • Ringen: Stärke
  • Schlagwaffen: Stärke
  • Schmieden: Geschicklichkeit
  • Schneidern: Geschicklichkei
  • Schreinern: Geschicklichkeit
  • Stichwaffen: Geschicklichkeit
  • Taktik: Wahrnehmung
  • Vergiften: Wahrnehmung
  • Ziegelbrennen: Ausdauer
Last edited by Estralis Seborian on Thu May 29, 2014 6:39 am, edited 3 times in total.

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Post by Firefly » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:33 pm

Re: Attributes and their use

Deutsch unterhalb.

This is for if you want to know what each attribute does for you... It is the same list, just appearing different. :wink:
Strength wrote:
  • Concussion Weapons
    Slashing Weapons
    Wrestling
Note: Strength also determines how much your character can carry on his person.
Agility wrote:
  • Dodge
    Parry
    Puncture Weapons
Note: Agility also influences movement.
Constitution wrote:
  • Farming
    Firing Bricks
    Fishing
    Herblore
    Mining
    Woodcutting
Note: The better your Constitution, the better your character's HP regeneration.
Dexterity wrote:
  • Carpentry
    Cooking and Baking
    Flute
    Gemcutting
    Glass Blowing
    Goldsmithing
    Harp
    Horn
    Lute
    Smithing
    Tailoring
Intelligence wrote:
  • Alchemy
Perception wrote:
  • Alchemy
    Distance Weapons
    Poisoning
Willpower wrote:
  • N/A at the moment
Essence wrote:
  • Alchemy
    Magic Resistance
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Diese Liste ist dafür, um zu wissen welches Attribut was für euch tut. Es ist die selbe liste, aber eine andere Ansicht. :wink:
Stärke wrote:
  • Schlagwaffen
    Hiebwaffen
    Ringen
Beachtet: Stärke beinflusst auch wieviel euer Charakter mit sich tragen kann.
Schnelligkeit wrote:
  • Ausweichen
    Parieren
    Stichwaffen
Beachtet: Schnelligkeit beinflusst auch eure Bewegungsgeschwindigkeit.
Ausdauer wrote:
  • Ackerbau
    Ziegelbrennen
    Angeln
    Kräuterkunde
    Bergbau
    Holzfällen
Beachtet: Umso besser eure Ausdauer ist, um so besser ist eure Regeneration an Trefferpunkten.
Geschicklichkeit wrote:
  • Schreinern
    Kochen und Becken
    Flöte
    Edelsteinschleifen
    Glasblasen
    Goldschmieden
    Harfe
    Horn
    Laute
    Schmieden
    Schneidern
Intelligenz wrote:
  • Alchemie
Wahrnehmung wrote:
  • Alchemie
    Distanzwaffen
    Vergiften
Willenskraft wrote:
  • Noch nicht verwendet
Essenz wrote:
  • Alchemie
    Magieresistenz

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Post by Djironnyma » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:28 pm

Re: Attributes and their use / Attribute und ihr Nutzen

Übersetzt

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Post by Felicia Saral » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:06 pm

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Hängt wieviel ich lernen kann von der Intelligenz ab?

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Post by Estralis Seborian » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:41 pm

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Nein, die Zuordnung steht oben.

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Post by Mr.Oldie » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:25 pm

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correct me if am wrong.. but this says which helps in leveling each skill right??

could you also make a list of what helps which actions too?
like i heard
distance weapons also use strength to determine how much damage is dealt... also dexterity has a part to play in it and so on..

and farming though its mentioned only in constitution ..
needs strngth and agility to make the char a good farmer


in short what am asking is a character making guide(the preset attribute doesnt why and doesnt help with alloting points if we know only the above given list)..
like
crafters need
1. YYYYYY because XXXXX reason
2. ZZZZZZ because wwww reason

warriors..
,,,

ARchers...
....

etc etc

:D hope it is not too much to ask :)

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Post by Estralis Seborian » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:47 am

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See Firefly's post. Don't believe all rumours ;-). Those rumours are commonly based on outdated information. Most influences of attributes are pretty strange forward since the VBU. Always keep in mind that there is no perfect build because if you max out e.g. three attributes and dump the rest, you will suck (really suck!) at actions related to those dumped attributes. Don't blame us if you fall victim to any apprentice magician or priest in future or cannot brew potions.

Some people complained about skilling being too slow, after brief investigations, it turned out that they dumped the related attributes. Use some common sense as well; maxing intelligence for a fighter is as useful as tossing cotton balls at demons. However, once we have all three magic systems, you might regret dumping it completely.

As a sidenote, the account system provides rather well balanced suggestions for different roles. Modify them according to your needs and the intended role.

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Post by Salathe » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:06 pm

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Can we get a check that agility really does govern puncture learning and not perception? I'm having the hardest time leveling it while very rested with 17 agi and only 25 puncture. Even when i use an agility potion it's extremely difficult.

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Post by Sammy Goldlieb » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:36 am

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Wie ist es eigentlich mit den neuen Instrumenten wie Trommel oder Panflöte? Auch Geschicklichkeit?

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Post by Jupiter » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:36 pm

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@Salathe: Yes, it is agility.

@Sammy: Yes, all instruments use dexterity.

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Post by Rincewind » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:23 pm

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To Salathe and everyone who wonders:

Your lack of skilling success might be reasoned by the new form of "skillcap". It's simple... everytime you learn something the chance to learn something new gets lower. But everytime you do something different (exept idleing) the chance of learning something new increases. That means if you skill/train a lot the chance of learning anything new becomes very low at some point. This isn't a matter of hours or minutes, the script checks your habit. So if you spend more time on RP you will learn easier - but not faster. No matter how you do it, the ammount of time used to max a skill remains the same. You can spend 10 h skilling or 1h skilling and 9h RP the total sum of your skill will be the same at the end. It doesn't matter how you play - the reward is the same as long as you play at all.

Recording to your words I think this is the reason you learn so hard, not the leading attribute.

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Post by Djironnyma » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:32 pm

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Rincewind wrote: You can spend 10 h skilling or 1h skilling and 9h RP the total sum of your skill will be the same at the end.
well just if you rp first and skill then ;)

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Post by Salathe » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:30 pm

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Rincewind wrote:To Salathe and everyone who wonders:

Your lack of skilling success might be reasoned by the new form of "skillcap". It's simple... everytime you learn something the chance to learn something new gets lower. But everytime you do something different (exept idleing) the chance of learning something new increases. That means if you skill/train a lot the chance of learning anything new becomes very low at some point. This isn't a matter of hours or minutes, the script checks your habit. So if you spend more time on RP you will learn easier - but not faster. No matter how you do it, the ammount of time used to max a skill remains the same. You can spend 10 h skilling or 1h skilling and 9h RP the total sum of your skill will be the same at the end. It doesn't matter how you play - the reward is the same as long as you play at all.

Recording to your words I think this is the reason you learn so hard, not the leading attribute.
Yes I'm aware. That does need to be noted in this thread though! And I spent a very long time RPing and running around not performing any actions. Maybe its something else =P

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Post by Semtex » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:15 pm

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I'll be more than happy to check your mental capacity points as a one off, next time you're ig Salathe. At least this way, you can determine whether you've burnt out your char by performing too much skill-related actions, or if it's some other issue that we need to look into.

In most cases it's the former, people don't realise how quickly these caps increase by simple actions.

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Post by Mr.Oldie » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:03 pm

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doubt what happens when you Rp along with skilling??
Eg: while Mining... #me scratches his head...

what i am asking is... is it possible to prevent getting burnt out by doing this...?!
emoting or talking to fellow gamers who are near by...?!

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Post by Flux » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:36 pm

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Emoting while you skill changes nothing. Your MC goes down all the time when you're roleplaying OR skilling, it's just that it also goes up (at a higher rate than it's going down) when you're skilling.

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Post by Annabeth » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:01 pm

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If it constantly goes down, how is idling prevented?

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Post by Nitram » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:57 am

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If you do nothing for 5 minutes, it stops going down. :)

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Post by Salathe » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:35 am

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Mr.Oldie wrote:doubt what happens when you Rp along with skilling??
Eg: while Mining... #me scratches his head...

what i am asking is... is it possible to prevent getting burnt out by doing this...?!
emoting or talking to fellow gamers who are near by...?!
No amount of RP or social-whatever while performing actions (crafting/gathering/fighting) will all you to slow your growth of MC (Mental Capacity).

As Nitram said, you're MC depletes (allowing you to learn more) as long as you are active for atleast 5 minutes. Whether you do 1 action (any command ingame) per 5 minutes or 1000, it makes no difference. In the end, the best way to combat your build up of MC this is to simply engage yourself in conversation, or attend one of the many quests listed on the homepage =)

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Post by Mr.Oldie » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:41 am

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can anything other than 'skilling' be considered as being 'active'...?
exept being 'idle' ofcourse.. everything else???

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Post by Salathe » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:43 am

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Mr.Oldie wrote:can anything other than 'skilling' be considered as being 'active'...?
exept being 'idle' ofcourse.. everything else???
As long as you perform an action, you are considered active for 5 more minutes. An action is anything in game, be it taking 1 step, turning, speaking, #me'ing, crafting, opening a bag, attacking something once, etc etc etc. Though any action that works towards a skill will reduce your MC while you perform that action.

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Post by Onyxx » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:02 pm

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Does Constitution now govern armor skills?

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Post by Nikolaus » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:08 pm

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The armor skills don't have a lead attribute.

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Post by Pendar » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:33 pm

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Should this be updated? As Dodge and Tactics do not seem currently active or are they now behind the scenes or something?

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Post by deke » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:06 am

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Whats the Stat for landing Critical hits or is that random?

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Post by Sephero » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:14 pm

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Salathe wrote:
Mr.Oldie wrote:can anything other than 'skilling' be considered as being 'active'...?
exept being 'idle' ofcourse.. everything else???
As long as you perform an action, you are considered active for 5 more minutes. An action is anything in game, be it taking 1 step, turning, speaking, #me'ing, crafting, opening a bag, attacking something once, etc etc etc. Though any action that works towards a skill will reduce your MC while you perform that action.

how about skills you already mastered. Like the language skill of your race.

if i use elven language, with my elf, during RP, it is actually an action that is supposed to use my elven language skill, even though there is nothing to learn there, as i am naturally on 100% as an elf.. will it affect my MC?

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Post by Jupiter » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:45 pm

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No. If you hit the maximum of the skill, you won't learn any more by excuting actions related to this skill. Therefore, it does not increase your mc points.

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Post by Annabeth » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:54 pm

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Jupiter wrote:No. If you hit the maximum of the skill, you won't learn any more by excuting actions related to this skill. Therefore, it does not increase your mc points.
Does this count for things like no longer learning from smelting when you hit level 20 blacksmithing, or no longer learning from shearing sheep when you hit 20 tailoring?

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Post by Jupiter » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:57 pm

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Yes

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Post by Enwell van Illdoran » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:14 am

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does death influence your mc?

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