Opinion on certain roleplay

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Post by Pugnacious » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:11 pm

Opinion on certain roleplay

Ok, maybe I am not being a good parent letting my 14yr old son to play this game. The violence and all. But he likes it and so do I. But shouldn't we draw the line on having prostitute characters. It really pissed me off when someone came up to him while we where in Bane and tried to Rp with him in that way.

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Post by Djironnyma » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:32 pm

What are you thinking right now?

Please dont get me wrong but thats the reason why illarion is recommended for age 16+ (Gamerules)

IMHO its all right to play a prostitute as long as you respect the Server rules especially this part:
Portrayal of Violence and X-rated Actions
Content and portrayals of actions which are brutal, perverse, sexual or glorify violence are strictly forbidden. Also all contents that hurt the ideals and moralities of involved players and random listeners are not allowed.

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Post by Matron » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:32 pm

Re: What are you thinking right now?

Pretty easy, don't let him play. After four or five years of Illa I can now only recommend >16 years old to waste their time on it.

Make it 18, cos then they usually have enough RL-stuff to keep themselves busy with instead.

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Post by Ereaes » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:34 pm

Re: What are you thinking right now?

I hate to sound persnickety, but i have been playing this game for about a decade now, and during that time there have been a number of RPers playing as prostitutes. But don't let this dissuade you, for there are rules set in place, and the GMs are immediately on top of any cybering activity. But i would also say that maybe he should wait two years to start playing(if only for the content). So while i agree with you, especially considering that it is your son, try not to worry too much. But if my assurances are not enough (and for a parent, they shouldn't be.) Please contact a GM or CM and they can assure you in ways that i cannot.

Im thinking, its time for a beer.

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Post by Matron » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:36 pm

Re: What are you thinking right now?

Ereaes wrote:Im thinking, its time for a beer.
Agreed. See you at Poolice in 10min.

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Post by Pugnacious » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:52 pm

Re: What are you thinking right now?

We do have house rules for playing this game. If someone is acting badly, he is to walk away. If they follow, log off.
Still, it seems inappropriate to me.
Djironnyma wrote:Please dont get me wrong but thats the reason why illarion is recommended for age 16+ (Gamerules)

IMHO its all right to play a prostitute as long as you respect the Server rules especially this part:
Portrayal of Violence and X-rated Actions
Content and portrayals of actions which are brutal, perverse, sexual or glorify violence are strictly forbidden. Also all contents that hurt the ideals and moralities of involved players and random listeners are not allowed.
I was the one offended by this type of Rp, and I am 45yrs , not 14.
Maybe I am to old for this game :)

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Post by Achae Eanstray » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:10 am

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Excuse the interruption however I thought the posts were a topic in themselves so moved them here for all the players to see and discuss.
Achae


Just adding my 2 cents:
I have seen some well played RP in the past of prostitute, "cat houses" etc. and have to say my chars were sometime very offended :D , however it added a lot of excitement to the game play even with those not directly involved. There were a number of "fights" in game between my chars and the "loose" women and also my chars and their boyfriends. As I recall there was even a male prostitute. I think as long as the rules of the game are adhered to, there should be no problem. As far as the term "prostitute" I think even most 12-14 yr olds have probably at least heard of the word but like others mentioned, the game is recommended for more mature ages.

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Post by Anne Roy » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:30 am

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

As to if he can handle it...

I really think it would just have to depend on your son. I was thirteen when I joined Illarion, and am fifteen now. I've never had problems handling content in Illarion. But then again, I'm not the most normal teenager.

*shrug* My two cents = Added.

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Post by Drathe » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:40 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Is this post a troll, is this a genuine ask?

Your happy to let your son play a medieval themed game where characters can cut throats and murder and mug peoples characters or play such characters themselves. Fight and cut people up with an assortment of weapons and when they are knocked back and unable to defend themselves, kill them without mercy for pride or stolen reward. Thats OK, fine and good, but not play what was a viable and genuine vocation of the themed era? All things within server rules of course.

You know there is a blood graphic in this game and some times even swearing right?

"I think even most 12-14 yr olds have probably at least heard of the word but like others mentioned..." Are you kidding Achae? At 14 he has probably got more porn mags and had more girls than hot dinners anyhow.

Please lets not try and turn the game play into a flowery hug fest full of polite, well spoken smile town characters with restricting RP rules anymore than has been and already is. Not all games should be for kids. Where is the grit and character realism, the blood and gutter people that make for good stories with a basis of realism about their lives that blend so well with the fantasy environment of the game that used to make it what it was.

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Post by MyNameHere » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:02 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

I recommend your son talking to a -> trained psychiatrist <- immediately to prevent trauma. Also, I think it is irresponsible to let a minor use the computer unsupervised. Consider installing a monitoring program.

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Post by Qeewee » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:24 pm

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MyNameHere wrote:I recommend your son talking to a -> trained psychiatrist <- immediately to prevent trauma. Also, I think it is irresponsible to let a minor use the computer unsupervised. Consider installing a monitoring program.
Hey! I started playing this when I was 10 years old! Nothing wrong with m-.. oh wait. :roll:

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Post by Jupiter » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:25 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Don't forget the bunch of gays running around! :P

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Post by Qeewee » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:26 pm

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Jupiter wrote:Don't forget the bunch of gays running around! :P
Shh, one of them is a CM now! :lol:

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Post by Rincewind » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:52 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

This is europe! We got whore AND gore! Wuha. God save the Queen. Free the sexual environment.

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Post by Irania » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:18 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

I honestly think that it's just fine because it's a part of life. If I wanted to play something G rated I would log onto something Disney related. Being over 25 myself I dislike the fact that I have to watch myself all the time because I 'could' offend some kid. I love horror, I love gore, and I LOVE serious RP. I say, get the children out and let the adults have some fun because it's so rare for a game like Illarion to come along and really keep the interest of the older mindset.

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Post by Anne Roy » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:54 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Okay, now I'm starting to regret saying my age.

So allow me to make something clear. I accept the fact that I may come into contact with adult themes in Illarion. If you censor your roleplay on account of me, I will not be pleased.

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Post by Qeewee » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:59 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Anne Roy wrote:Okay, now I'm starting to regret saying my age.

So allow me to make something clear. I accept the fact that I may come into contact with adult themes in Illarion. If you censor your roleplay on account of me, I will not be pleased.

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Post by Leon Demelii » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:14 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Personally, I don't care. RP is RP. Can't handle it? Peace out, get stepping dawg. I can't remember when I started playing but I was old enough to handle all the themes and situations. I mean, do you really expect a 13 or 14 year old not to know what a prostitute does? Come on, get real. Kids talk and they learn on their own, you can't stop that. I lived a rather sheltered life and knew what that crap was at age....12?

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Post by Qeewee » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:19 pm

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Leon Demelii wrote:Personally, I don't care. RP is RP. Can't handle it? Peace out, get stepping dawg. I can't remember when I started playing but I was old enough to handle all the themes and situations. I mean, do you really expect a 13 or 14 year old not to know what a prostitute does? Come on, get real. Kids talk and they learn on their own, you can't stop that. I lived a rather sheltered life and knew what that crap was at age....12?
Has more to do with german laws I think than people being capable of handling it, also I've heard that back when everything was allowed, illarion was more full of crazy orgies than proper roleplay. *is NOT stating any of this as true, but as hearsay*

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Post by Irania » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:23 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

RPing the part and actually doing it are two different things.

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Post by TiaSarah » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:40 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Anne Roy wrote:Okay, now I'm starting to regret saying my age.

So allow me to make something clear. I accept the fact that I may come into contact with adult themes in Illarion. If you censor your roleplay on account of me, I will not be pleased.

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Rest assured that I will not censor myself any more than is required by the game rules.

That said, @ Pug, Kudos to you on actually paying attention to what your child is doing and having rules and boundaries set up. I do however agree that as long as the RP is done in a tasteful manner, within the rules of the game, there is no problem. If you do not want your child exposed to such things at all, then perhaps Illarion is not the game for them.

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Post by Drathe » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:43 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Ah if only you knew Qeewee, Back in the day It was like... like a Willy Wonkas Chocolate Factory of typed up sexual umpa-lumpa song style sex. We didn't RP at all just cybered. In fact the only crafting skill around was carpenter and they had to be yellow skill to make beds and put notches on the head rest for each digital conquest.

As for dungeons...well, lets just say there was one that packed something big, hard, red and horny in it and we all went in our groups to beat it so hard, don't worry though we used double protection.

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Post by Qeewee » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:28 pm

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Drathe wrote:Ah if only you knew Qeewee, Back in the day It was like... like a Willy Wonkas Chocolate Factory of typed up sexual umpa-lumpa song style sex. We didn't RP at all just cybered. In fact the only crafting skill around was carpenter and they had to be yellow skill to make beds and put notches on the head rest for each digital conquest.

As for dungeons...well, lets just say there was one that packed something big, hard, red and horny in it and we all went in our groups to beat it so hard, don't worry though we used double protection.

:roll:
lol, thats funny, and I'm just saying what other people told me! :3

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Post by Orioli » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:32 pm

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*facepalms*

Uh good sarcasm Drathe, and i agree with the fact that a parent should censor their children not every site on the web. You don't have to look far to find really bad things that a kid can enter just by lying.
Really if the parent gives a kid a knife and he cuts himself, it is the parent's fault not the knife manufacturer.
You know the game, if you object to the content then keep your kid out.
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Post by Silo » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:18 am

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Wait.


What's prostitution? :|

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Post by Elijah » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:37 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

The guy asked a genuine question. I don't see why there is any need for a hostile response. Yes, if you don't think that prostitution is appropriate for your child, don't let him play, or shield him from such activity. However, I think you are very much a welcomed addition to Illarion, and despite your distaste with that minor detail, I don't think you should be persuaded to leave.

As for prostitution.. I'm really unsure how that fits into the frame work of the rules, considering anything that portrays sex seems to be outlawed. Briefly tip toeing over the lines of sex by making references, and presumably exchanging MSN addies or IRC channel hook ups is a little sleazy, and I'm not sure what else I would use to describe it.

Weird?

If any RP leads to OOC disputes, or OOC channels to continue on the RP (*hint*) I don't really think that's RP at all. If the end result isn't allowed, nor supported IG, I don't think anything that begins the sequence of events should be either.

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Post by Grokk » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:07 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

It only took 25 responses for someone to produce a sensible reply to the initial post. Impressive.

How would people feel about somebody playing a rapist?

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Post by MyNameHere » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:20 pm

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Rapists, whores and cutthroats are an important part of the game. People can learn in game how it is to apply these things to real life. Also, demon worshipping.

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Post by Kearun » Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:52 am

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

MyNameHere wrote:Rapists, whores and cutthroats are an important part of the game. People can learn in game how it is to apply these things to real life. Also, demon worshipping.
second that

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Post by Drathe » Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:40 am

Re: Opinion on certain roleplay

Rape like all immoral acts in game is addressed in conduct rules and just as the prostitute is/can be 'insinuated' in a characters past or RP'ed to a point in the contex of agreeable players.

How would people feel about somebody playing a **serial killer, a murdering thief, someone who takes pleasure in burning people alive with magic, tieing another up with rope and dragging them away against their will, slavers, etc** A few things which are vile, terrible to come into contact with both in a media context and a life experiance should that every happen in RL, but... well the game engine lets you. That must be ok no harm in learning how to steal from another or the best ways to lure a person away from the crowd to kill them... right? Just because the game engine allows does not make it moraly right.

THE FACT IS we have rules and we should all be playing to them. They set a standard, a line which we should not cross and thus keep all these immoralities to an equal level of context and taste. End of.

You can play what you like, it is or more was one of the freedoms of the game, if we players cross those lines report it to a GM and it will be investigated. Simples.

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