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Banning of non members of Northerot and the Movement

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:21 am
by Darkform
Jhon Sivan has been band from town once more after being alowed in for a week .
a week ago he left the movements roster and was alowed back into town but now he is band because his guild is a ally of the movement . even tho he himself isen't even in the movement himself.

a question to anyone with his head on wrong and belives this is aceptable .

---1 ok is it ok to ban allys of the movement
---2 is it not a definition of ally to be supportive of the party in questions goals?
---3 is Lyrenza happy with Darlok beeing in a seat of power?
---4 if not then isent Lyrenza itself a ally to the movement by question #2
---5 is Silverbrand not also at war with Darlok and as sutch anyone involved for or aginst movement or Darlok band ?
---6 ((has been oviously erased))
---7 is there anyone other than those fighting for Darlok that want him to rule a city and for the ones don't want him to be in a seat of power then are they not allys of the movement ?
---8 who in there right mind belives that Jhon Sivan is a threat to anyone but pepol that want to purchse things he wants to by since he pays good?

this is a note left by Darkform when he saw Jhon Sivan upset and mumbleing about the injustice done to him by the town gaurd

-----Signed by Darkform

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:34 am
by Brendan Mason
You trespass in other towns where you are unwanted also. Your little friend Mahiem tried to kidnap me once. I think people have every right to dislike you.

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:47 am
by Galim
Silverbrand is no ally of darlok or the movement. at the moment northerot is at war with silverbrand. silverbrand have never helped movement in any fights. especially not in a fight in town. three members of the movement are banned from silverbrand. two of them have fought against silverbrand in the past. on of them have injured our king seriously. and ya think we are allys with them? i don't know from where do ya have ya informations, but ya should search ya a new and better source for informations.

Galim, citizen of Silverbrand

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:32 am
by Darkform
Galim wrote:Silverbrand is no ally of darlok or the movement. at the moment northerot is at war with silverbrand. silverbrand have never helped movement in any fights.

Galim, citizen of Silverbrand
I will edit my previos message to better state it involveing Silverbrand thank you for your input.

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:43 am
by Cain Freemont
Has Jhon Sivan's guild even made any actual acts of violence within Troll's Bane/Lyrenzia's territory? Or are you prosecuting him for just being allied? If so, you're merely being foolish. Banning someone because they are allied with someone you do not favor is like prosecuting someone just because he knew a criminal who acted against you. It is an injust accusation that, in its own right, should be treasonous in itself under the charge of sheer stupidity plaguing the community.

~Cain Freemont

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:58 am
by The Returner
Who ever said Lyrenzia was just, to begin with?

~Unsigned~

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:10 am
by Cain Freemont
Anonymous,
I meant that it should be considered injust, even in the obscure eye of Lyrenzia. Justice is in the eye of who holds power, but even a 'foundation' with a contorted reign as Lyrenzia's should see such an act as injust, rather than allow its own leaders to behave so.


~Cain Freemont

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:16 am
by The Returner
A foundation, such as Lyrenzia, doesent know its Right, from its left, or its wrong. Including its Officials.

~Unsigned~

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:01 am
by Hagen von Rabenfeld
I may inform you Jhon Sivan´s guild was removed from the Movements list just a few hours ago. Hereby the ban upon Jhon Sivan is lifted. We are not responsible if the prince of Herion is sloppy((spelling?)) in updating his announcements.

As the only other member of this guild, Mahiem, is also a member of the Movement, the ban on his person continues.



To your questions,

---1 As they are considered targets in the civil war of Northerot and hereby endanger the town, when they are on its streets, yes.
---2 Thats why they are considered involved in the war.
---3 No.
---4 Trollsbane is neutral in the war between the Movement and Northerot. And we will not fight others wars and especially not to put someone on Darlok´s throne, who was his former servant and learned everything he can from him. We do not side with a band of criminals to fight another band of criminals.
---5 Galim answered this.
---6
---7 see number 4
---8 As an official ally of the Movement he was considered a target in the war between the Movement and Northerot, see number 1




I think i do not have to proof that it comes to violence when members of the participating parties meet on the streets of our town. You also know that both parties harbour criminals, who broke the law even before their war. A war Trollsbane is not involved at all, except as a battlefield. We do not want our town to be a battlefield.

There were and will be deaths among our citizens, when fights are all around, so we decided that both parties are denied the right to walk the streets of Trollsbane, untill the war is over.


~Hagen von Rabenfeld~
~Guardsman~

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:59 am
by Cain Freemont
But the guild never acted in violence in Troll's Bane. There was no point in banning one man from the guild. If anything, the guild would have been banned, logically speaking. You were simply singling out Jhon, that is how you make it appear. You need to think about which rules you choose and choose not to enforce. Its showing through your mask of twisting words. Better yet, enforce your rules to the best of the town, rather than to the best of your ambition.

You can ban all the people you want Hagen, but know this: If you continue on the path you and the "officials" are banning people, you'll have no one left in town and you will end up raising higher walls with more defenses, only blocking yourself in until you cannot leave. Starvation will plague the people you swore to protect and everyone will know your faults.


~Cain Freemont

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:37 pm
by Jhon Sivan
((some water or other clear liquid is sprinkled on the note))
Brendan Mason wrote:You trespass in other towns where you are unwanted also. Your little friend Mahiem tried to kidnap me once. I think people have every right to dislike you.
I belive your responding to a question Darkform asked . but your statement is about me > first person second person thing .

Darkform is in my servace as asomeone to deliver my notes to the wall . this is true but he and I are 2 seperate beings with seperate ways of thinking .
the note you responded to did not say " from the desk of Jhon Sivan " .
and when I send a message to the wall by Darkform I add this to the bottem of the page .

since I am here I have seen some of my notes in person on the wall and it seems that Darkform added at the bottom of some " deliverd to the wall by Darkform " under my signing of the note so I do understand how you could mix it up

as for your note .
You trespass in other towns where you are unwanted

I have been in a town and then told I should not be there yes but I have been curtios about it and asked if there was any payment for restitution that I can give to make up for the trespass and after the trespass I have not entered that town agin unless I was granted acses.

also. Your little friend Mahiem tried to kidnap me once.

I told you I would try to talk to Mahiem and get him to be a little more politacaly corect . besides that is him not me .

I think people have every right to dislike you.

yes anyone that wants to dislike me can . I would like to try and fix any hatreds to me tho . and I think if you dislike me based on the other statements of your note then I am truly sorry that you have so mutch hate in you that some spills out my way .

I wish you all you need to live well

from the desk of Jhon Sivan
also delivered by Jhon Sivan personaly to the wall

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 4:39 pm
by Brendan Mason
I was insinuating that you were trespassing in Greenbriar. To make things worse, you lied that Crosis had given you full permission to do so.

Delivered to the wall by Brendan Mason for Brendan Mason...

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:30 am
by Jhon Sivan
let me clerify tthis that happen a month ago I belive what I said was .
I was waitng to meet Crosis to ask for permision and to negotiate a price for me to pay for use of greenbrires farmland payable each day that I use it. .

and please send all oter mesages to Jhon Sivan in care of Darkform
comming to the town wall and placeing my ouwn ntes is cutting into my work time .

it is hard to make 750 -1500 potions a day

from the desk of Jhon Sivan
delivered to the wall by Jhon himself

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:39 pm
by Algoran
lyrenzia always insist nothing has changed since they stole the town. If so then why are people, not accused or found guilty of any crimes, banned from town.

Is there a more obvious way to show you what has been lost?

Algoran.