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Lyrenzia Foundation: Judicial trial / Gerichtsverfahren #47

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:20 am
by Lyrenzia Foundation
The 47th Judicial Trial of the Lyrenzia Foundation has hereby begun:

The charge is:

1) Carahawen accuses the elf Asteron of thiefery.
2) Carahawen accuses the elf Asteron of casting upon herself in town.

There are witnesses:
Aristeaus
Athian
Avrillon
Maktan Hardtooth
Marodos
Nerevar
Zarah Auverne

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Das 47. Gerichtsverfahren der Lyrenzia Foundation ist hiermit eröffnet:

Die Anklage ist folgende:

1) Carahawen klagt den Elf Asteron des Diebstahls an.
2) Carahawen klagt den Elf Asteron an, auf sie innerhalb der Stadt gezaubert zu haben.

Es gibt Zeugen:

Aristeaus
Athian
Avrillon
Maktan Hardtooth
Marodos
Nerevar
Zarah Auverne

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:50 am
by Carahawen
Here what happened:

I was getting goldnuggets from Aristeaus in the workshop, he put the gold next to me on the floor. The elf, Asteron, hang around near the depot we two were standing. He was near the gold, and when I wanted to take it it was gone. So I asked him friendly if he maybe had taken it. He denied it and said I had no proof. But as he was the only one who could have taken it I asked him to show me the inside of his bag, because it would have been no problem. if he had nothing to hide. He just pushed me aside and tried to get away, what made him very suspicious for me. Me and some of the witnesses went after him and tried to convince him to proof his innocense and to tell us his name, but he refused firmly and ran away again. Unfortunately there was no town guard around this time, so we had to follow him ourselves. We found him again, but in this time he easliy could have hidden the gold. We got him again and this time he agreed to speak with me alone, but Zarah and Maktan waited some metres away. He agreed to show his bag, but he fooled me with just pulling some things out of his bag and not showing the whole inside, so he still could have easily had the gold. My friends came again and we asked for his name again, but he now started to attack me with magic and fled again and hid. We waited for him to come out when he casted a posionous flame upon me and another person out of the shadows. It was surely him because I could see him for some seconds, then he ran away again.
(witnesses for these incidents: Zarah Auverne, Maktan Hardtooth, Aristeaus, Avrillon, Athian)

The next day, I was at the pigs, when the elf came again. I first didn’t recognize him, but when someone told me to be careful about him, I took a closer look and realized it was him, who stole my nuggets. I asked him about my goldnuggets but he still denied it. Luckily I was able to get his name this time. Then we made him apologise for he casted on me(what he first denied aswell) and let him go, the other minute he casted on me from the other side of the river, again a poison flame.
(witnesses: Aristeaus, Nerevar, Marodos)

Now in the last days when I was waiting for the trial to start the elf came and attacked me again, and not only me. I saw him casting on other citizens aswell. There should be plenty of witnesses for that.

I ask for a punishment of this elf and for a repaying of my goldnuggets (it were 5 nuggets).

Best regards,

~Carahawen~

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:03 pm
by Zarah
I wittnessed many of Asterons crimes myself.

It began in the workshop where he stole a few gold nuggets from Carahawen. He was the first to leave it after Carahawen noticed that it's vanished from her bag.

We followed him and demanded to take a look into his bag and to hear his name. Well, he didn't show us the whole bag and acted very contradictiory. Cause when he showed us the inventory of his bag the first time he showed us items like an apple, wood and an axe. But when he showed us the bag with its inventory itself a few things missed, like the axe for example. So I assume that he didn't show us the whole inventory of it. There is another contradictory point. We asked him to show his bag quite often and followed him through the whole town. He finally said he doesn't own a bag, but then showed it unwillingly.

After that we demanded to hear his name, but he refused to say it. While we surrounded him he got nervous and began to attack Carahawen with casts infront of the town exit in the east.
I attacked him to save Carahawens life when he dissappeared in a magical way, right infront of my eyes, still living.

Since that he casts flames next to us in the town, nearly everytime he sees us.

Yesterday he attacked me twice, with paralysis and flames although I just stood around with some friends and chatted.
I demand that Lyrenzia puts this cowardly villain to jail. He attacked us unjustified and stole from Carahawen. This HAS to be punished.

Sincerly, Zarah Auverne

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:37 pm
by Maktan Hardtooth.
I as witness, agree with zarah, all she said is true.
Maktan

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:31 pm
by Denon
Ich möchte Lyrenzia darauf aufmerksam machen, das der Elf Asteron ebenfalls auf mich eine Giftwolke zauberte (jedoch nicht an dem beschriebenen Tage), OHNE Grund.
Mein Beitrag soll nur ein Vermerk sein, das von dem Elfen eine grosse Gefahr (vorallem für schwächere) ausgeht.

Eine hohe Gefängnisstrafe wäre angebracht.

-Denon-

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:44 pm
by Gnarr
Auch Mitgliedern des Tempel der großen Zshhel-pheey-arrr wiederfuhr diese Schmach. Er er setzte mehrmals seine Giftflammen gegen unsere Gemeinschaft ein. Möge das Leid, welches er über uns brachte, auf ihn zurückfallen.

Gnarr
Diener Zshhel-pheey-arrr's

Hello

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:09 pm
by Aristeaus
Yes, ill bare witness to these crime's, as no doubt will other people who this elf has cast upon, and no doubt stolen from.
When i went to give the nuggets the the elf Carahawen they seemed to be swept from the floor by an unknown gust of wind as the elf past, before my very eye's wouldnt you know it. An i was with Carahawen when she was cast upon in the pig area, and on many other occasions.
He has been seen taunting Carahawen, calling her ' Weak Elf ' and so forth because the fair maiden would not attack him in return!
A strange matter it is my friends, he cast upon myself and when i went to pursue the said elf, would you know it! he disapeared infront of my eye's like some bewitched fool.

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:28 pm
by Gro'bul
I acknowlage myself as a whitness. I saw Cara and others asking to see in this persons bag to see if he had stolen some gold nuggets, he refused until there was nearly an army of townspeople apon him, then he put down items out of his bag saying this was all that was in his bag. Finally after many minutes he gave up the bag, they searched it and found one of the previously shown items missing. After a minute or so he ran off, another minute passing and many clouds of poisons are cast at Cara and others. Another time, we were merely standing by the smithy next to the shop, fires appear out of nowhere and we here someone taunted Cara. I investigated and found him in the top of the shop in the maze. I shot him with two wind arrows but he quickly dissapeared. This dissapearing act has been quite frequently used by him and is usually a trait of a theif.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:36 am
by ¿Unknown?
This gold nugget could have rotted away.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:45 am
by Rynt
(( I know things vanish but..gold cannot rot. ))

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:02 pm
by ¿Unknown?
((whats a good roleplay excuse for vanishing?))

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:07 pm
by Maktan Hardtooth.
((what is a good excuse for vanishing, good question Mr unknown, It coud have rolled of the table and fell into the deep cracks in the floor, some evil elf attracted the gold nggets to him, or the nearby fireplace melted it and it sunk to through the floor.))

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:20 pm
by Klith
(( Or it could have turned out that they werent really gold nuggets, but chicken nuggets from KFC, now those deacy VERY quickly. But on a serious note, the nuggets would have needed to be on the floor for say, 3 mins or so. Therefore if they were picked up only a few seconds after being placed on the floor it is almost certainly theft. ))

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:56 pm
by Carahawen
((and they were just some seconds on the floor, so...))

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:07 pm
by Gurik Elvenstar
i have been trading with Asteron lately and has hasnt stolen from me. Im not saying that he didnt steal from you Carahawen, im just saying that he hasnt stolen from me and these have also been big trades

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:21 pm
by Carahawen
I didn't trade with him, I was trading with another person, when he took the gold. Of course he doesn't steal from his customers.

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:34 pm
by Asteronor
Dear Fellow Illarion Citizens,

I have been accused of Stealing & Attacking, here Is my version of this twisted debate:

I was In the town of trollsbane, In the Workshop when I walked away from the stone cutting device and came across some gold on the floor, I knew It was an Elf's gold as they were discussing the trade so I picked the gold up and placed It beneath his feet, so It wouldn't get stolen and for his convenience, so he didn't have to move away from the depot and trade to receive it.

I then walked to the door and this Elf Women blocked my way and said 'You Have Stolen Ingots' I did not have a clue what she was talking about so I said, I have not stolen anything, I just moved the gold, so more people came my way, I felt threatened as they were pressuring me to empty my bag and give out personal details, because I thought my items might be stolen, I squeezed through a gap In the door and came back into the street.

I was then followed by a crowd of people, I politely said , Please, I have not stolen, leave me be. They then trapped me and started threatening to kill me and making racist (to elves) and harassing remarks. I said, I'm sorry I will not empty my bag until I have someone of proper authority here, they kept on harassing me, so I walked to the wood, still being blocked, harassed and verbally abused, Lyrenzia must understand that I didn't feel comfortable emptying my bag Infront of complete strangers.
I walked to the Town Gate and they blocked me again, I politely said Please leave me be until you have proper authority or have proof I stolen It, I did not steal anything!
They were still pushing me and harassing me, I eventually un-offensively paralyzed one of the Harassers, and walked away, thinking they might leave me In peace, I was then shot with arrows and killed for no reason.

After all this I was In the Pig Field collecting Leaver when I met a Elfish women I said Hello and started kindly chatting, I then said, I'm off to get some apples when I came back a group of people trapped me and started verbally harassing me, I again asked them to leave me In peace, I squeezed through them and walked away, I was then shot with arrows, thinking It was the female elf I casted on her for Justice, I was then attacked and then chased away. I was walking through the shop when another arrow hit me, seeing the female elf facing me, I thought It was her so I casted on her again, which just lead to verbal abuse and killing of myself.

After all this, It was just a bloodbath between myself and a group of harassing people, I walked into the library minding my own business, reading a few books and was attacked, obviously I knew who it was so tried to use self defence but was killed, it just went on like this for a long time, them attacking me and me attacking them, and also the abusive and harassing remarks i received.

Yes I admit to attacking the Female Elf, but I had good reason :

Self Defence
Justice
Stop Being Verbally Abused/Harassed

I DID NOT steal anything from anyone and Gurik can tell you I'm AM NOT a thief.

Conclusion :

I have currently Left town to keep out of the harassers way, but I am willing to serve my time or be exiled, if Lyrenzia thinks that is for the best, but I will say that I was Provoked Into attacking the Female elf, through harassment, attacking me and abusive language. I think Lyrenzia should have a Strict view on Harassment/Abusive Behaviour as ((its is illegal In the real world, and should be Illegal in Illarion)).

I was Provoked and used self defence.

I DID NOT STEAL!

Thanks for your time.

Kind Regards

Asteron

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:10 pm
by Klith
(( If their characters were harrasing your character then harrasment would only be made illegal in game by Lyrenzia. Also, whoever shoots arrows at another player should have #me to say they were shooting (I think it was Keikan who asked this, though its against no stated game rules on the website) however, it could have been too difficult for them to #me in time as you were walking away in both cases. ))

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:14 pm
by Asteronor
((Or perhaps they didn't #me, because they didn't want to get caught))

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:23 pm
by Zarah
((Well, well, well, that really sounds like someone who wants to keep playing Illa...although...well...I'll say nothing more))

Zarah reads Asterons defense paper and begins to laugh and shake her head.

"People, whoever reads this. These are just lies, lies, lies. Le me show you in what points he obviously lied:

1.)
I walked away from the stone cutting device and came across some gold on the floor, I knew It was an Elf's gold as they were discussing the trade so I picked the gold up and placed It beneath his feet, so It wouldn't get stolen and for his convenience, so he didn't have to move away from the depot and trade to receive it.
Is a lie. I saw with my own eyes, that the goldnuggets have not been removed to another place, no they dissappeared suddenly when Aristeaus put it on the ground. Asteron was the only one standing near it when they dissappeared and he was the first to leave the shop after Carahawen noticed its dissappearence.

2.)
I said, I'm sorry I will not empty my bag until I have someone of proper authority here
Righ, right Asteron. We did the same. We demanded Carahawens gold nuggets back because there was no town guard. We know and we knew it was you. It's obvious, so why letting you run away with Carahawens gold? Just because there is no guard? Remember that noone attacked you or did any harm to you until you began to attack Carahawen. So you have no right to say you were in a weaker position because there were no town guards. Carahawen was aswell. By the way you dissappeared in a magical way I never saw before. So actually you were the one with a stronger position.

3.)
They were still pushing me and harassing me, I eventually un-offensively paralyzed one of the Harassers, and walked away, thinking they might leave me In peace, I was then shot with arrows and killed for no reason.
but I will say that I was Provoked Into attacking the Female elf, through harassment, attacking me and abusive language
Alright Asteron, You want to make me really mad, won't you? THIS is the biggest lie I ever heard. I never killed you. As I said you dissappeared in a magical way right infront of my eyes as there are several wittnesses for this. Lies won't bring you any further. We ALL have seen what we have seen and therefore you are a known thief I guess that Lyrenzia would rather believe us than you.

4.)

Alright, alright, I wasn't present in the library, but I can still say is, that after this particulary day you began to cast on me and my friends and accquaintences whenever you see us. Just remember the scene at the cross. You stood there to get your life power back quickly when Hagen attacked you for you were banned out of town for your miserable and cowardly actions. I just came their by chance and watched the scene doing absolutely nothing, when you started to attack me. I wonder if this is as fair as insulting you verbally.
I think Lyrenzia should have a Strict view on Harassment/Abusive Behaviour as
You attacked me and my friends who didn't any harm to you after this particulary day several times.


Questions you should REALLY think of Asteron:

1.) Why did your axe dissappear when you showed the inventar of your bag the second time?
2) If you "did not steal anything" as you claim all the time, why do you want us to proove it? Well my answer: Proof that I attacked you and you will see how hard it is to lie about the actions of people.
3)I remember you saying "I am a villain and I don't care for rules and I am proud of it". There are wittnesses for this one of your statements to as Carahawen for example or Hagen von rabenfeld. Why this sudden change of mind? You obviously admitted beeing a villain. Actually I don't see any reason to argue on.

Your actions are that contradictiory that it is obvious that you stole by Carahwen.

Well think about it, it's worth the time.

Sincerly,

Zarah Auverne

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:38 pm
by Carahawen
Carahawen reads Asteron's paper and shakes her head about those blunt lies.
Asteronor wrote:They then trapped me and started threatening to kill me and making racist (to elves) and harassing remarks.
Asteron
We never threatened to kill him, before he attacked. And I never heard (nor said) any racist remarks, nor did I use insults. (I am an elf myself, so it would be kind of strange to make rassist comments, wouldn't it?).

Further:
Asteronor wrote:and this Elf Women blocked my way and said 'You Have Stolen Ingots'
I didn't accuse, but I asked him if he had taken it. When he said nothing but ran away without any comment it mad him a little suspicious in my eyes.
Asteronor wrote:until you have proper authority or have proof I stolen It,
I even asked for a town guard, but there wasn't any around at this time. And we wanted to proof it by just having a look in his bag. As we have no right to do this ourselves we asked him friendly to show it freely. Not to show it is just an admition of his guilt.
Asteronor wrote:I was then shot with arrows, thinking It was the female elf I casted on her for Justice, I was then attacked and then chased away.
I haven't seen anyone shooting on him. Myself couldn't have been it: I even don't posses a bow. "Casting for justice" was in his case: Casting from the other side of the river and then laughing loudly.
Asteronor wrote: After all this, It was just a bloodbath between myself and a group of harassing people,
It was always him who started attacking: The days after those incidents he casted out of the shadows on me and other persons who just stand there around. Also he was insulting me. For example he shouted out of the shadows, I may quote him: "Cara, I will always be there to cast on you."
Asteronor wrote: Yes I admit to attacking the Female Elf, but I had good reason :

Self Defence
Justice
Stop Being Verbally Abused/Harassed
He NEVER casted in self denfence as far as I saw. He always were the one to attack first, or he was the only one to attack (espicially in the first time).
As far as I know self justice isn't allowed, only self defence. That's what trials are for, aren't they?
Myself never verbally abused him, but was abused (I think he called me weak because I didn't attack him myself in return. It really takes some time until I reach for my weapons.) Ah, yes, I may have called him a coward some time as he casted one of a hundred times on me and was hiding in the shadows. Furthermore: attacking someone for insulting isn't quite the way and shows a weak mind.
Asteronor wrote:I think Lyrenzia should have a Strict view on Harassment/Abusive Behaviour as
Then there also should be a strict law on lying in front of the court.

Asteron's actions and what he claims to have done or not have done here really differs, I would even call some of them blunt lies. Anyone who has witnessed some of his actions can prove that right.

Best regards,
~Carahawen~


Added: Yes, I nearly forgot: What Zarah quoted of him (that he is proud of being a villain) is right aswell. I heard it with my own ears.

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:08 pm
by Hagen von Rabenfeld
To the court,

as my name has been mentioned, i think it my duty to contribute to this trial.

1) I didnt witness the incident which lead to this argument. I cannot say if Asteron stole.

2) After the incident Carahawen told me, that she wished to start a trial. The guard identified the elf in question as Asteron and warned him not to come in trouble while he is on trial.

3) A few hours later and the next days there were several attacks on Carahawen, Zarah and several innocent bystanders. Not a single of these attacks i witnessed was justified. The one who attacked first was Asteron. Therefore the guard banned Asteron from town untill he was found not guilty or served his punishment, because the argument clearly endangered the public security.

4) Asteron ignored the ban, so the guard forced him to leave. As pushing him towards the exit resultet in an attack on the town guard, we retaliated with deadly means, after several warnings.

5)
You stood there to get your life power back quickly when Hagen attacked you for you were banned out of town for your miserable and cowardly actions. I just came their by chance and watched the scene doing absolutely nothing, when you started to attack me
I want to make clear, i tried to push him towards the exit and got attacked , then forced him to the cross, where he started to cast immidiatelly. After noticing, he could not harm me, he casted a flame upon Zarah. I had to spill his blood on this holy ground to save a live.

6) What the witnesses say about Asterons behaviour is true. He threatened others with death, openly stated in public, not to care for the guard, Lyrenzia, any laws and that he would take pleasure in receiving injury because of his attacks. I think of him as dangerous to the public, because of his aggressive tendencies and his habit of drawing innocent bystanders into the argument, by casting randomly. Thats the reason he and not the people he had an argument with, was banned from town untill the end of the trial.

Yours,
~Hagen von Rabenfeld~

((Edit: spelling and grammar :oops: ))

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 9:41 pm
by Zarah
((@ Klith. You're right. He ran away quickly and LOGGED. AND Zarah announced that she points her bow at him clearly (Logs could proove this.), but there really was no time to write "#me shoots her arrows".

@ Asteron: If I was afraid someone could catch me, why should I admit here, officially, IC and OOC that I DEFEND my friend with attacking you?))

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:29 pm
by Moathia
I would like to state to the court, that in the past Asteron has been known to have violent behaviour, and attack people, he has had a history of mindless violence.

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:45 am
by Grant Herion
I was in Northerot castle this morning. Asteron came and asked to become a citizen of Northerot. We talked briefly, I asked why he came. He said because he didn't want to go to jail for stealing from the elf Zarah. So he admited his guilt to me.

Grant Herion

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:47 am
by Carahawen
Actually he stole from me. Seems his mind is mixing up something.
Or, did he steal from Zarah aswell? Well, it would be imaginable.

~Carahawen~

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:49 am
by Grant Herion
Kurtis K told me that an elf named Asteron stole from Zahra.

Grant Herion

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:11 am
by Bloodhearte
((OOC note; Racism doesn't exist in Illarion, the word wasn't even created until 1936. Dwarves naturally hate orcs, for example. Therefore, it probably wouldn't be proper RP to humiliate somebody on the grounds of discriminating against a fantastic race.))

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:48 pm
by ¿Unknown?
((About dissapearing objects It comes in server sweeps ive have ingots diaapear in a few seconds.

And as for logging unless you actually SAW him dissapear dont assume he logged because you cant find him.))

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:02 pm
by Zarah
And as for logging unless you actually SAW him dissapear dont assume he logged because you cant find him
((I saw him logging RIGHT infront of my eyes. There are several wittnesses for it. I wrote about it already actually. And he didn't just once, but several times. This is a common behaviour of him, he does often.))