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Lyrenzia Foundation: Judicial trial / Gerichtsverfahren #44

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:21 am
by Lyrenzia Foundation
The 44th Judicial Trial of the Lyrenzia Foundation has hereby begun:

The charge is:

1) John Laffing accuses Fooser of stealing 225 gold coins.
2) John Laffing accuses Fooser of an unjustified attack on himself with magic within the town borders.


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Das 44. Gerichtsverfahren der Lyrenzia Foundation ist hiermit eröffnet:

Die Anklage ist folgende:

1) John Laffing klagt Fooser an, ihm 225 Goldmünzen gestohlen zu haben.
2) John Laffing klagt Fooser eines ungerechtfertigten Angriffes auf sich mittels Magie innerhalb der Stadtgrenzen an.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:17 pm
by Rynt
I see that there are no witnesses to this so called crime. What proof is there that Fooser did these things?

~Rynt~

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:36 pm
by Val De Gausse
Odd to see you posted first. Since you witnessed the crime. Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I know I believe John. He led me through the whole story. If you tell the truth Rynt, this case has already been won. He asked for a case hoping you would testify.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:38 pm
by Fooser
Not only does he not have witnesses, but you Rynt also watched me pay, take the bottles, and walk out. I dont know what his problem is, he either miscounted or misplaced it, because I cannot hold 25 bottles and 225 gold at once, and I had the bottles in my hand. Not only this, but I proceeded with some associates to the tavern, where he bothered us, so we moved toward the library, where he proceeded to attack me attempt to push me off the roof, so I casted and pushed him off before he could do it to us, and he did not even die, some minor injury perhaps. Not only does he have nothing in this case, I would also request that he is the theif, trying to snatch an extra 200 or so gold from me, trying to make me pay for what I have already paid for, and he threatened numerous times, but I know it wont happen, and It dosent really matter because listening to John Laffing is listening to the ramblings of a greedy madman.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:43 pm
by Val De Gausse
Fooser asking more gold is not being a thief. Rynt is a friend of yours, why would he testify against you. I told John this trial would not hold up unless Rynt testified. Obviously he does not believe in justice.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:45 pm
by Fooser
Deies wrote:Odd to see you posted first. Since you witnessed the crime.
Odd to see that you posted at all considering you DIDNT witness anything. Rynt rightfully saw me pay and watched John try to push me off the roof.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:48 pm
by Val De Gausse
Your word is much more false then mine. You don't want to be thrown in jail.

hmm

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:06 pm
by Kaja Wolfagen
An orc walks upto the town wall and see's the many accusations written upon it and sighs

John try to steal me cabbages, Fooser helped me, this when john tried to take more money from fooser, john denied what he did to me's, then accused fooser of theif.

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:00 pm
by Fooser
I think Lyrenzia might have mixed up the names on the charge..

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:05 am
by John Laffing
Kaja, I did not try to theif your things. I asked if anyone wanted to buy potions, and you came to say you wanted to trade. I said I would think about it. Fooser then comes over and says I was trying to theif you.

Anyway, the crime Fooser commited happened the day before. I was trading him potions. He gave me the gold, but grabbed most of it from my hands before I could put it in my bag. Thus, I only recieved 25 gold coins out of 250. Fooser then ran out of the building, not responding to my call of his name. I found him in the Tavern, with two of his friend, including Rynt. He said "Run!" Then he knocked over chairs and ran into the basement (the part that leads to Silverbrand). I followed him, and so did his friends. Fooser continually shoved me up the stairs, even after I told him to stop. I then walked away disgusted. A little while from this, I found Fooser and Rynt in front of Eliza's shop. I asked Fooser to hand back the money. He did not, and said "Run...Rynt follow me...to the library roof!" I followed them two, going to the roof. Fooser started shoving me first. I then shoved him back, so I wouldn't fall off the roof. Fooser then kept shoving me as I tried to run around the building roof. I was cornered in the south-east corner of the roof, where the rocks and bushes meet. Fooser repeated attemped to cast on me 2 times. Finally, a third time, a fire explosion hit me. Then, I was lit on fire. I tried to move out of the way, but Rynt was in front of me, and Fooser to the side. I diagonally stepped out, but someone tossed me back in. Finally, I got out of the fire, and ran to the west side of the roof, to avoid being tossed into the fire. I yelled, "Fooser is trying to kill me!" Someone on the gound yelled, "Not again!" Fooser then approached me, with Rynt watching. Fooser grabbed me and shoved me enough to topple me off the Library roof and land on the ground next to the grape vines. I was almost dead by that time, having been burnt and tossed off a three story building. I got up, only to hear someone on the roof yell, "There he goes...Bye, bye, Laffing!"

The next day, the issue with Kaja happened. As I have stated above, a trade never took place. We both didn't hand each other anything. I then met Deies, and I showed him everything that happened on the day of the crime.

Please find Fooser guilty of the many crimes he commited. I would also like for him to return the 225 gold that he now owes me. Thank you.

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:14 am
by paul laffing
I have no reason not to believe my brother, but Fooser is a known criminal. I can only offer a character judgement and past offenses of his, which I know will not help in the current trial much. But, Rynt on the other hand, is an upstanding citizen. Yet, if he tries to bear false witness in a court of law, this will tarnish his reputation and make a few people very angry with him. I hope he is wise.

~Paul Laffing~

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:19 am
by Fooser
Yes, Rynt is a good person, and was there, and he has spoken. There are now two people saying he is lying, and guess what? Neither of them were there, and I find it immature and irresponsible that they continue to write here.

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:25 am
by John Laffing
I also forgot to say:
After what happened with Kaja, I had asked Fooser to give my money back. Fooser did not do anything, of course. Deies walked up at this point, having heard the commotion. He started talking to us. While talking to both of us, Fooser started walking away. Deies called him to come back but Fooser just continued. If Fooser knew he was innocent, he would not have done such a thing. Salathe, Athian, and many other whitnessed what Fooser had done.

Later, while Deies and I were still talking in front of Eliza's, Fooser walked up. He started pushing and shoving me. Deies also witnessed this.

After that, I met a person named Dagnus. He was also attacked an almost killed by Fooser. This shows that Fooser has been disruptive around town.

Fooser is guilty of many crimes!

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:25 am
by paul laffing
But I know both that were involved in this crime and I am prepared to make character judgements. Fooser is spontaneous and he does not care for other people's health or possessions. This sounds like something he would do, based on past crimes of his.

~Paul Laffing~

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:31 am
by Fooser
John Laffing wrote:Fooser started walking away. Deies called him to come back but Fooser just continued. If Fooser knew he was innocent, he would not have done such a thing. Salathe, Athian, and many other whitnessed what Fooser had done.
Holy cow, I was walking, lock me up! You seem to forget that me and Kaja were standing there for 20 minutes pleading our case to your fools. I said everything I had, twice actually, and I have things to do so I don't have time to stand there and listen to you fools.

You even said yourself when you were talking, you said:
"you casted without purpose on the library roof"
and I said:
"You attacked"
and you replied before leaving:
"I was trying to shove you off the roof."

Then later I said you were attacking me, and you said nothing but:
"my sword accidentally punctured your skin"
Any fool would know how to handle his sword, how can it accidentally puncure my skin? Because you were pointing it at me perhaps?

To go on further, I find it even funnier that Deies defends John so much, because he tried killing Deies for bounty one time because the people in the north were not to pleased with him. Do you forget so quickly Deies, or has his ramblings damaged your head?

I am also prepared to make a character judgement, Paul Laffing is a fool, therefor should not be listened to. I have witnesses that Paul is a fool as well.

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:44 am
by John Laffing
FooserJohn wrote:
John Laffing wrote:Fooser started walking away. Deies called him to come back but Fooser just continued. If Fooser knew he was innocent, he would not have done such a thing. Salathe, Athian, and many other whitnessed what Fooser had done.
Holy cow, I was walking, lock me up! You seem to forget that me and Kaja were standing there for 20 minutes pleading our case to your fools. I said everything I had, twice actually, and I have things to do so I don't have time to stand there and listen to you fools.

You even said yourself when you were talking, you said:
"you casted without purpose on the library roof"
and I said:
"You attacked"
and you replied before leaving:
"I was trying to shove you off the roof."

Then later I said you were attacking me, and you said nothing but:
"my sword accidentally punctured your skin"
Any fool would know how to handle his sword, how can it accidentally puncure my skin? Because you were pointing it at me perhaps?

To go on further, I find it even funnier that Deies defends John so much, because he tried killing Deies for bounty one time because the people in the north were not to pleased with him. Do you forget so quickly Deies, or has his ramblings damaged your head?

I am also prepared to make a character judgement, Paul Laffing is a fool, therefor should not be listened to. I have witnesses that Paul is a fool as well.
When you want to quote me, quote what you say as well. What you have quoted of me saying does not include the subject matter of what I was talking about.

When I said "you casted without purpose on the library roof," I meant that you casted on the roof without a rightful purpose. You don't have the right to harm me and injure me when you are the robber. I did not rob anyone of anything. Also, I know that I attacked. I was trying to shove you off the roof. ((What happened was that I had CRTL left clicked him and dragged the mouse so that he would go off the edge. Somehow, I didn't get the command through, so I accidentally attacked him. I was trying to make good RP out of this, so I said that John's sword accidentally punctured Fooser's skin)) I used my sword to shove Fooser off the roof, but it did accidentally puncture his skin. I just wanted him to return my gold. Since I knew I probably would get killed if I battled him in a fight, throwing him off the roof seemed like an easy way to hurt him.

Last, when you say I tried to kill Deies. That was long before you robbed me. Deies and I have become friends now, and that has nothing to do with this case, which is about YOU robbing me and attempting to murder me.

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:52 am
by Fooser
John Laffing wrote: Last, when you say I tried to kill Deies. That was long before you robbed me. Deies and I have become friends now, and that has nothing to do with this case, which is about YOU robbing me and attempting to murder me.
Oh yes, Fooser is this terrible known criminal, but don't worry about John trying to kill people in the past FOR MONEY. "Fooser dosent care about peoples lives"? Perhaps. But at least I have never attacked someone for a few coins. John Laffing was willing TO KILL for money, so why wouldnt he make up this whole story for money? That is something for you all to think about for a while.

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:57 am
by John Laffing
Oh, so it makes it right for you to try to kill me after I breifly attacked Deies one day, and then stopped. Yes, even after Carah and I said to stop, you still continued to chase me around trying to kill me with your slippery fists. Many people witnessed this crime of yours. Anyhow, this has nothing to do with the current trial, because it was between Deies and me. You just wanted to get your smelly face into it.

We shall return to proving Fooser guilty...

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 6:01 am
by Arkadia Misella
Alas, yet another trial. And I find it funny that Deies has brought the Laffing boys in to help out. This trial is nonsense. Face it, no matter how many trials you fabricate up on either myself or Fooser, the truth will always shine through. Give it up and go play with some dolls, at least they won't bite back like us.
~~Ark~~

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:52 pm
by Fooser
I was not going to sit next to Deies and let you hit him, afterward you mentioned the bounty, so what reason did I have to think you would stop? Lets look at the basic facts we have right now, we have 3 people saying I did nothing and John was causing trouble, and only John to say otherwise, kind of suspicious isnt it?

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:58 pm
by Val De Gausse
Let's look at the facts, the three people are your friends. How is that reliable.

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 6:08 pm
by Fooser
John Laffing wrote:Deies and I have become friends now
I think all of you should stop talking, your embarassing yourselves.

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 8:35 pm
by John Laffing
Why are we talking about something that happened about a month ago? It is completly irrelavant to the current case.

Fooser has stolen money from me and has attacked me. There is no doubt that Fooser has commited these crimes. He has run away many times, showing that he is a guilty coward and doesn't want to face the truth.

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:23 am
by paul laffing
Arkadia Misella wrote:Alas, yet another trial. And I find it funny that Deies has brought the Laffing boys in to help out. This trial is nonsense. Face it, no matter how many trials you fabricate up on either myself or Fooser, the truth will always shine through. Give it up and go play with some dolls, at least they won't bite back like us.
~~Ark~~
Ah, yes, nice to see Ark stick her ugly face into it. Yes, the truth shall shine through, hopefully. And if Fooser is not found guilty... justice shall be served.

~Paul Laffing~

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:37 am
by Val De Gausse
I don't see how anyone can believe these two. The same you caste in town, go on vigilantes because the justice system does not work, yet use they use it. And lie even to people who witnessed it. I just don't understand how you can believe them.

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:38 am
by paul laffing
Please, who is "them"?

~Paul Laffing~

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:20 am
by John Laffing
I believe Deies was saying that Arkadia and Fooser cannot be believed. Arkadia and Fooser are who Deies is referring to.

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:45 pm
by Fooser
If I'm not guilty justice shall be served? Please, what are you going to do about it child? Take your pety useless threats elsewhere. Better yet, go back to your home in the North and get eaten by a large animal, save us all some time listening to your nonsense. My final comment in this trial is to look back at the factors:
-4 out of the 5 witnesses of these string of events said John is wrong. The 1 out of 5 that didn't say that is...guess who? John Laffing. If Lyrenzia finally goes by its word for once, they will see that witnesses are more important evidence that past events.
-Speaking of past events, thats the only thing any of these fools has in this case. "Fooser casts, blah blah", well if you really want to use that, then John has tried to kill people in the past for Money. So why not frame me for a crime for money? Or steal Kaja's cabbages for money?
-These Laffings obviously show hostility in this posting, it wouldn't suprise me in the least if they tried to frame me for such stupid things, they do my job for me by making immature threats, and John himself even admitted to trying to push me off the roof, therefor I turned to defense and pushed him off instead. A witness saw me put the money on the floor. Items are known to have dissapeared while on the ground, so who knows.

It is not possible to build a case on current events on past events. I always believed that and I still do. All the witnesses and evidence points to John being the actual trouble. They bring Lyrenzia nothing but reputation, and if reputation is everything, then why is there a trial system? I thought my last trial was a test of biasness, but it is even worse this time, I am curious to see what they decide.

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:16 pm
by John Laffing
Steal cabbages? What are you talking about? Have you lost your mind? I was asking anyone in town if they wanted to trade for my potions. Kaja walked up to me, and said he wanted to trade. I said I would think about it. Then you walked up and said I was trying to steal things. So, we are allowed to just walk up to people and say that they committed a crime? What kind of justice is that?

Past events...Fooser has set Eliza on fire at least 3 times. He has also casted in town in various spots before.

Sure....I pushed you. You pushed me first. I pushed you in self defense. You have the advantage of lighting me on fire and doing other magic.

Well, the witnesses that are on your side are your friends...they are all filthy liers just like you. A real witness wouldn't say anything biased, just the plain truth. I did not lie about how I pushed you in self defense. I did not lie about how I tried to chase you. Deies did not lie, he only said true facts. On the other hand, Rynt is saying that there are no witnesses to this crime, in fact, he was the witness to Fooser lighting me on fire. Fooser is a total hypocrite, he goes around killing people while saying I am a murderer. Arkadia is doing the same exact thing, killing others and complaining about being killed. Arkadia also says that the justice system is corrupt, but yet uses it.

All of this shows how Fooser and his witnesses are corrupt. They are all saying false statements and supporting Fooser only because they are his "friends." We need to look at the real facts, not the ones that are biased and false.

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:49 pm
by Rynt
Isn't Deies your friend? How can we trust him then? He might be supporting you if only because he is your friend. Laffing, you're a Hypocrite.

~Rynt~