Question of wood: Acceptable or Frowned upon?

Trager · Post by **Trager** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:54 pm

I have, of course, a log entry of someone I was talking to... they (though not the only one I have seen do it) were not sticking to RP (in my opinion) and just using the advantage of being able to throw a stack of items anywhere on the screen...

I assume they built up quite a large stack of wood, and simply wanted to walk through the town, to storage, without the encumberance burden of having to carry it themselves... essentially exploiting a game function to make the process faster for them (moving large pile of wood, almost as if by magic teleportation).

My question is if this behavior is frowned upon, accepted, or 'okay, so long as nobody sees you or reports you to a game master'. Personally, I think it's bad RP.. the person I was OOC'ly asking got upset with me rather quickly, and wanted me to stop OOC'ly asking about it, so I would have no method of asking him about it via RP, since he would have had to make something up, and could have easilly lied about it, with having no character abilities to justify it (which, I couldn't have checked anyway)

Okay.. that's pretty much it.. and, again, I have the log, so if a gamemaster wants to see it, I can easilly send that portion.

Trager.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 7:19 pm

You could have asked, "How are you lifting up so many logs and tossing them around?" Because that is basically want it implements. I did it once and it was bad RP so I stopped, now I just carry a proper amount of whatever I am carrying.

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 7:43 pm

Well, you could say you are rolling them, but you would have to do it one tile at a time.

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 7:46 pm

I pretend that i'm dragging a large bag.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:33 pm

If you rolled them, that is like a few logs at a time, I have seen people rolling 41 logs of wood. How is that possible? Dragging is impossible since they would have to be behind you and you can't push something 2 tiles away.

Trager · Post by **Trager** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:46 pm

Is this by chance something that can be cured with a change in functionality? Either, that your strength is the basis for 'how far you can toss something' (so if you're doing it to 100 logs, the furthest you can 'toss' it is 1 square, but if you're doing it to a dagger, then it could reach your 'field of vision')

Also, I'm noticing other things I'd like to mention, but am not sure of the extent of workload they'd create against the designers and coders (mostly things like if you do a certain type of action, a set of automatic emotes are in place... it's just that between attempting to perform an action, type in fake /me's to give you an outward appearance, and maybe trying to talk to those around you... well.. if you're not a speed typist, it makes for very awkward RP, or an awkward feeling that you're not RP'ing properly what you're doing)

Anywho. will collect my thoughts on that part, and post it later... but back to the wood thing.... is it considered acceptable for them to be doing things like that, or should I bring it to someone's attention when I see someone doing it, or should I just ignore it because there's nothing that can be done about it, in the current environment?

Trager

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 9:01 pm

The strength skill does exist, instead of tossing it how much you can carry therefore the tossing is obsolete. Why people just space out things. In a way this is a type of power gaming. They should just chop the amount of wood that they can carry. Or chop as much as they want and come back to it. That is the risk.

Trager · Post by **Trager** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 9:04 pm

That's my thought, too.. and how I do things (trudge along at the speed of a snail, carrying 20 logs)... I only mentioned what I did, above, as a method to 'keep people honest'.. a sort of 'self policing' function, where, if you see them doing such a thing, then you know they can't be abusing it, because they can only toss as far their character's strength allows... am not advocating abuse, only offering ideas at quelling the abuse..

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 9:36 pm

I roleplay the dragging by typing:
#me drags a large bag full of logs
whilst moving fairly slowly

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 10:23 pm

also about strength and throwing, and idea for the far future:

Being able to throw and use weapons as throwing weapons, using the strength variable, and normal weapon dammage (decreasing by range).

S+NWD/RW-R=D

Strength+Normal Weapon Damage/Ranged weapons-Range of throw=dammage to opponent

for example,having a slot underneath the left arm (Which is the persons right arm, or standard weapon arm ont he character) but above the ring slot for throwing weapons, and each weapon equiped here would block out the weapon slot above it. Like stars some weapons will not be retrievable, swords and shields however could be thrown then picked up.

The reason I bring this up, is because in my D&D experiences, I've seen and participated int hrowing everything imaginable as a weapon.....khopesh's,swords,waraxes,sickles,shields,rocks,doors.....

anyways, down the road, might wanna consider it...

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 11:49 pm

Hey why don't you just buy the stuff from other players who's profession is lumberjacking to suite your carpentering needs, problem solved.

Trager · Post by **Trager** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:15 am

Just checking, so I don't put my foot in my mouth, before responding to it.. but.. who was that comment meant for?

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:48 am

Well what I meant to say was : Just buy the stuff from other players who's profession is lumberjacking to suite your carpentering needs, problem solved.

I didn't mean you or him or anyone in particular.

Trager · Post by **Trager** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:29 am

Alright, Gro'bul.. but that wasn't the purpose of this thread...

My issue was: People who use the game interface to bypass roleplaying.

example: Having gathered 100 wood... instead of carrying it, they simply grab it with their mouse, move it to the edge of the screen, release it, walk up to it, and do it again.

I already know where and how to get things, via purchase, so I fail to see where I was asking how to do something, in this entire thread. *shrugs cluelessly*

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:06 am

They apparently do this for some reason, carpentering and glass blowing being the most logical, and instead of throwing around 100's of wood they would just be able to do the job they intend to do, and they can purchase in mass and convinience, thus solving the whole problem of getting lots of wood to one place at one time. I know this doesn't solve the lumberjacks who do this (not to mention the ones who chop every tree in site).

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:18 pm

The Returner wrote:The reason I bring this up, is because in my D&D experiences, I've seen and participated int hrowing everything imaginable as a weapon.....khopesh's,swords,waraxes,sickles,shields,rocks,doors.....

Even thrown other people!?

Edit: I didn't know there was a second page, my post originally didn't make sense.

Hagen von Rabenfeld · Post by **Hagen von Rabenfeld** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:12 pm

Back to your original question Trager.

I know what you mean, the question if you should tell other people to stick to RP or not. I can only speak for myself, but i try to explain such people, why they should not exploit the disadvantages of the game engine, but i stop as soon as i notice, that they do not want to listen. You can offer advice, but when people think your intention is to argue with them, talking is in vain. This does not trouble me much, as i know that time will seperate those players from those who are able to imagine, how the situation they are "roleplaying" would look like in real life. For instance if they throw the things they carry, only to increase their speed of ressource gathering, or throw poisons on your shovels, which you drink "voluntarily"then because of your macros.(which is nothing but a PK from my point of view)

The player you were refering to is known to me, i got the same, aggresive response as i tried to talk to him about how unrealistic his behaviour is.(OOC and IC as well) I would say he still has to learn alot about roleplay, as my last encounter with him proofed again. He invaded private ground, chopped every tree in sight, littered the garden with staves, he was crafting while he was standing in the countryside (he would have to carry them back to his depot and so loose time to increase his skill) and finally dropped a bucket of water on our campfire and our chars as well. If he tried to roleplay a mentally disturbed person he did rather well, but my assumption is he only enjoyed to annoy other players, not roleplaying at all. He simply ingored what our Chars were saying or doing and then was quite surprised, that our chars got angry and wanted him to leave.

As his char is a member of the movement and he has obvious problems to differentiate between OOC and IC i hope Grant Herions player will try to teach him the basics of this game.(@Grant I will send you a PM to tell you, who it is, if you like. I dont like to tell names of people i complain about in the forums, that is almost slander) Perhaps someone whose char interacts with him may manage it to give him some advices about roleplay, he can accept as an advice and not as an insult or something.

Felkin Fennikish · Post by **Felkin Fennikish** » Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:53 am

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:44 am

rolling more than 3 logs big enough to have wood enough to make a chest out of would be tough, 50 would require you to be at least a demi-god. Rolling a few and carrying some is the best option in my opinion, this is going 1-2 squares at a time.

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:10 pm

Actually, there was two PC's....

A Gnome and an Elf.......and the elf threw the gnome once...