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This town has been attack 3 times probably more and what I am seeing is the town walls do nothing. Perhaps they slow down the flow of invaders into our town, but when their are no strong warriors to combat the invaders weaker citizens cannot escape because of the walls.
How do the walls help us at all?

Grant Herion

Perhaps it helps us because it traps the citizens preventing them from wasting their energy trying to escape so that instead they just sit and wait and have a better chance of a quick death. We wouldn't want to suffer now, would we? Actually, I know that's not how I would like it, but who am I?

Another problem I saw the walls cause is that when warriors go out to attack, there is often somone who thinks they can fight who has run to the front and dies, then everyone has to move back out to free the spirit, and argue over who wants to go in first, by then the monsters have already come down the narrrow gap. I suggest that the entrances be made twice as wide.
I think the walls do something to help. Of course, if there are no warriors to protect the town then the walls do no good, but they do slow down the scale of monsters entering the town which will give more people the time they need to run away. When the warriors are there they do justify themselves.

One good thing at least there is.
Because the entrances are so small, they can be defended
by one strong person and only one monster or foe can come through at
once.

That's my opinion here...

Trice

Hi

The entrance width needs to be doubled. I agree, it causes to much trouble this way.

Deats

I agree, in a way, that the entrances may need to be adjusted, but when you really think about it you realise that it does stop too many ogres from coming in at once. Perhaps instead of going through the entrance and attacking, we should wait for them to come to us. This way we only have to take on one at a time. There would be no fuss about a weak fighter going, dieing, and making us move out of the way whilst he make his way past.

Dear citizens,

the walls are allright, but some people dont know how to use them properly. And a word to Malinnes comment: At no time were all three gates under attack, there was always a route to escape. By the way, you only have to escape if the enemy is already in town and narrow entrances prevent that because a handful of warriors can block the way. And i dont think it a drawback that the spirits of some hotheads cant go to the cross. As it is obvious they overestimated their strength, they would do no good as reinforcements too. Follow Freos advice and the walls will be quite useful, the archers and mages have safe places to throw in their lot and even if there casaulties the spirits of the warriors can back off quickly. If the enemy is already in town all it needs to cut them off from their reinforcements is a single warrior with some feeling for tactics. The most useful thing the walls do is that people know where to look for the enemy, at the gates. Without the walls you could try to escape but as you can only guess where the enemy comes from chances are high that you will run into the hands of another raiding party.

~Hagen von Rabenfeld

Hmmm...the gates you say....but there is no gate, none that can be closed properly anyway.

Perhaps this is what is missing in this otherwise impressive structure of defense?

Why argue if we cannot change walls and build them anyway, can we?

Despite what you may hear, the walls can be modified, as long as there are enough funds.

There are four directions you can flee from the town from. You may head east, towards the swamps, north, towards the ruins, south, towards the prison, or west, into the wilderness. If all those directions were blocked, You would have little chance to escape, with or without walls.

I also agree that the 'gates' are a bit too small, and cause problems.

It's not impossible that all three gates fall under attack is it? What happens if the town is under attack and a lot of people are around trying to squeeze through the same escape routes?

And anyways, I don't know if I even really mind the walls that much. I still think they provide some pleasant shade. As much as they make me feel trapped, they make me feel just as safe, it simply depends on what I am currently wanting to be protected from; the inside, the outside... or simply the sunlight.

Love,
~Malinne~

On the other hand...what will this moaning gain you...? Expect anyone to listen?

Moyáve

Moaning? Who is moaning here?

Malinne listens.

I hope you were not referring to me. Whoever it was, in any case, they sure as hell listened to it. I am willing to do more than whine and complain about something to get things done, but this is not exactly my priority, so someone else like Grant and a few others can do their complaining. It doesn't bother me, and like everyone else, I have my opinions whether the noise they make is appreciated or not.

Dear Malinne
I didn't explicitly refer to you. I didn't read the whole topic, only the headline, which I considered moaning.
Anyways I like your attitude...

Moyáve

And, when somebody is caught doing carpentry beyond the town walls, they can't enter town as the river and wall block them. They are easily cornered by monsters, and killed without hesitation.

I agree with Korwin, the beasts either need to be fought outside or inside the gates; preferably outside, seeing as we're trying to defend the town in the first place. We need more room so more fighters can come to the front lines to fend them off.

Just a proposal,
why isn´t built there an emergency exit somewhere in town ?
An underpass from inner town to outer town,hidden by trees for example.
Many monsters are too stupid to use even a ladder,so this won´t be a problem,that monsters trespass in town from there.And it would be useful to atack the monsters from behind or more important,to leave the town if monsters are in it.
Hope the message is understandable for everyone,think about it...

-Unsigned-

Some monsters such as Rotworms and Beholders have been seen burrowing their way into Silverbrand before. A tunnel wouldn't be completely safe.

Grant Herion

so they could also come through silverbrand,if they would attack,but i think the orcs are the problem now

-unsigned-

In response to the catchy title, Malinne wishes Grant were around so she can clobber him. Instead she writes a short message to him, referring to the headline:

Of course the walls do something! What do you think your complaints are listing?!

Malinne looks around for Grant and when she doesn't see him she shakes her head with a smile and finishes her reply.

Sorry, I just had to get that out of my system.

Love,
~Malinne~

With all the experienced warriors out there I am surprised that a complaint the gates are too small has not been answered properly. I am no warrior but anyone who runs into the gateway to defend it is not one either. The purpose of a narrow gate is so one creature can be attacked by many warriors. You let the creature block the gateway to its fellows and wait till it gets to the end of the gateway so three or more warriors can attack, or block it. Meanwhile archers attack the ones behind. It's no wonder the town is suffering if this simple knowledge lies unknown. I listen to many warriors strut around town crowing of their reputations. Perhaps they would do better to talk of strategies.

What Ellaron wrote is correct.
The birth of this topic was the opinion that the wall don´t do enough for our all protection, right?. But of course the wall can´t do this allone, it needs warrior or other fighters to protect the inlets.
And often we haven´t enough folks to protect the wall. And now you demand, that we "double" the width of the "doors", that means we need more fighter and less protection, because two monsters at once can enter.
So the wall help less as now, a little bit illogical.

By the way, a wider door doesn´t help the "clouds", because then block two enemies instead of one it.

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Fieps

My first idea is a castle in the middle of town 3 storys high. It could be a last stand for the people if the city got invaded. This however is inpractible and will not happen any time soon if ever. My second idea is we dig a gread tunnel from the dwaf city to the prison. These ideas are more for escapeing than defending. A guar tower overlookign each entrance would be good, archers could fire over the wall.

And what's this nonsense talk about the town walls preventing people from escaping and trapping us inside? Run? Where will you run? The walls trap you and prevent you from running where ....in the direction from where the enemy is coming from? Hahaha, how stupid

This is a goddamn island. Oh I'm sure if we just run away from the town when the monsters come then maybe they will just magically go away when we come back later.

How idiotic that you even think of running out of town. If our people can't even guard one tiny little entrance with one monster,at a time, then how in blazes do you expect them to defeat the monsters if they are spread across the a town without the walls?

I hate it when people can't do anything themselves and then complain about every single drawback when others do something just because they are too closed minded to weigh the drawbacks against the benefits, and then they whine "Oh this is my opinion, but I'm a nobody so I won't be listened to anyways..." Try to remember that everyone else's survival is more important than your own personal issues. Your opinions are rejected because they are not logical, not because others are not listening to your opinion.


Oh..and monster attack while doing carpentry outside the town walls? I guess there are some people who would be stupid enough to do that during an invasion. And if it's not invasion, then I wonder what happens when somebody runs toward an unprepared open town with monsters on their tail. Sure, it's easier to put everyone else's carcass on the line. Let's roll the dice on our survival across the whole island instead of protecting the places with most people.

Walls don't help protect us? By the gods, it's as if some people can't use their heads and see life as if it was a game or something.

Dear citizens,

well, sounds, that there is a need for an instruction for using the town walls in the case of an attack.

• If there is an attack and the enemy is gathering outside the wall, don't go out to fight him outside, you loose than the protection of the walls.
• Use your time to bring defenders to the gate (keep in mind, that it is the gate, where the enemy is gathering, not at the other gates).
• Group the defenders at the gate.
  Archers at the tall sidewalls,
  one chest at the inner end of the gateway to block the enemy,
  strong fighters near the chest, to fight with long axes
  and others with the ability to block enemies, jumping over the chest,
  some magicans behind the fighters to heal them.
• If the enemy decides to attack the gates, let him come into the small gateway. There, he will get his surprise!

Is it really so hard, to fight tactically at the gates?
Oh yes, I know, there are so many strong and great warriors, who always want to have the most honour in defending the town. So they have to walk outside the gate to fight alone ....

Aragon ben Galwan
Earl and Templar of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin
Councilor of Lyrenzia