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((hello i farelly new and my char. Kincent Rashful is looking for a guild))

A man wearing a cloak walks in late at night and post a message

good day to ye. I'm looking for a guild to join, here are some things ye may want to know about me.
race: human
profession: mage (i'm just now brgining to learn magic),carapnter
I'm willing to work hard for the guild.

If ye wish to know more about me just call ((meet me ingame or PM me plz))
the man truns and walks out as his cloak flares out behind him.

Greetings! YOu sound like a person of many talents. Here are a few suggestions:
Magery:

• Magic Academy
• Illarion School of Magic

Carpentry:

• Bargen Masters guild
• You COULD work for the illar Archers group...

I do hope you find something you like. If you want to become a good mage, you could join the illarionschoolofmagic. If you want to be a peacemaker, you could join other guilds.....Have fun choosing!

~Nilo, headmaster of Illarionschoolofmagic!
http://www.geocities.com/illarionschoolofmagic

All of which - except Magic academy, which also isnt a guild - are very new and highly dubious.

hmm.....Nilo your are the head of Illarion school of magic correct...this guild (school) seem very promising.Could you tell me more of what they do or what the goals are.To ever one else I haven't made me dession yet & I'm still looking for a guild. If you think I would be good for you guild plz. tell me (Nlio thanx for giveing me your site,I've been there before, I'm still not sure though)

Ah, well, my dear future friend, I do hope that you choose our school. The goal page shall be up soon. You can go to this site, and register, and see all of our goals, ideas, etc.....
http://illarionschoolofmagic.iboardplus.com/

Thank you for you time Nilo, and for now it looks as if I'll be join your guild (still not sure though) hope that I will see soon.

I made my decision "Illarion school of magic" that is unless some one else thinks I better suited for their guild,but they have a hard time considering the illrarion school of magic is exactlly what I'm looking for in a guild.

dont bother with nilo`s school of magic no offense to nilo or anything but you wont learn anything worth learning.

James, i am teaching the new lad. i asure you he will be a great mage, even though he teacher isnt the greatest...i shall train him school or none. i assure you that he will be a great mage and use his powers responsibly

There are "some" more groups, guilds and clans. Some monasteries there are too....

If you want to find an other group, at the pages of the Lyrenzia Foundation all "good" and serious groups are registered.

((http://www.geocities.com/first_impact/lyrenzia/main.htm))


Lennier,
noble knight and trademaster of the Grey Rose,
member of the SMACC Council.

not all are there. some guilds do not iwsh to register!

Groups, which don`t want to be registered by Lyrenzia aren`t very serious.

What they have to lose if they ask for registration?
Or they know, that they will not become registered because they are too dubiose?

Lennier,
noble knight and trademaster of the Grey Rose,
member of the SMACC Council.

And funnily enough, those guilds tend to be of a quite dubious nature...

Do NOT slander the name of The Archers of Illar becuase;

A: They are new - Every seed that is planted take time to grow and bloom. The Archers picks it members carfuly. The Archers would rather have its actions speak for them selves, than you.
Did not the 'Qual oh tarie' Knighs of the Grey Rose not start as every group and guild does, as a small unknown Group.

B: It is not a member of Lyrenzia - Not everybody agrees with the ways of Lyrenzia, not everybody wishes to be part of it. I do not slander its name not any other guild that is part of it. To call the Archers not seriouse only because we do not belong to Lyrenzia... bah you speak folly and to call us dubiose also I take as a personal insult.
For example..would you call the Elven community 'not seriouse' I believe they are not registerd.?

On what grounds I ask, Mishrack, Lennier do you make your statment fit to the Archers of Illar which is one of the 4 names given on the list you are resfering to with your statments.

In the words of my mother.

"We shall not join Lyrienza yet, because we feel some of their agendas contradic our own." She said somthing along those lines we have very good reason why we will not join Lyrienza.

Dear Drathe, it would seem that you don't have a good understanding of Lyrenzia's workings, as demonstrated by your assumption that becoming a "Registered Guild" makes you a member of Lyrenzia, and claiming that the Elven Community isn't in the list of Registered Guilds. It's therefore not a wonder then, that one doesn't want to affiliate itself with something one hasn't fully grasped yet.

If by "not serious", it means that they haven't fully taken the time to understand the workings of such a significant organization in society today as Lyrenzia, then perhaps I would classify the leaders of your guild and the Elven Community as "not serious" enough, or at least "not up to pace" with the world today.


Nobody thus far has provided any good argument that Lyrenzia is doing something that is any less justified than what a single person does on a daily basis around here . And those who continue to hold that belief without any argument, or without attempting to discuss it if they had one, then it would seem to me that either they aren't "serious" enough or have a narrow perception of certain issues in the world.

As Lennier said, there's nothing to lose by becoming a Registered Guild, and only recognition as a guild by the others, to be gained.

Obviously guilds that do not want to be a part of lyrenzia just want to stay independent, and I feel you are being a bit pretentioncious (sorry if I spelt that wrong) in saying they are not "serious" I wish you not to take these words in the wrong way.

Boremier

Sorry if it's been a while seen I've replyed but I had my board name changed, & I keeped trying to sign in on my old name.
Drogla, thaks for sticking up for me I will become a great mage with the schools help. aslo why does a guild have to be with Lyrenzia to be conseider a register guild, I understand that some guilds feel like their loseing their feedom, & become a bigger guild so to speak??

If Lyrenzia has no respect for independant guilds, they are the one's not to be taken seriously. Drathe's guild is based on friendship and loyalty, there is hardly anything dubious about that.

As stated before, if guild becomes registered, it does not mean that it would lose its intependency or would become somehow affliated or dependant on Lyrenzia.
Registering our guild and joining Lyrenzia are two different things.

'The purpose of this registration process is to approve of organizations that will be recognized by the Lyrenzia Foundation as eligible to join the foundation one day.' - A passage from the great book of the Lyrenzia Foundation intitled; Registered Guilds

My understanding of the workings is good enough for what I need to know. You first have to be registerd to become a member. There is no other reason to register. I have no wish as of yet for the Archers to join Lyrenzia, Wether we are recognised as a group by others is up to them. I see as of yet no gain for the group by joining/regestering. We are not a trading Guild so SMACC does not directly apply to us, nor do we think of our selves as keepers of the law and peace.
As to the electing of him and her for this and that in the Foundation, this can be done on a personal individual base, thus again no reason for the group as a whole.

'Nobody thus far has provided any good argument that Lyrenzia is doing something that is any less justified than what a single person does on a daily basis around here ' - As said by Dyluck on this board

That maybe be true, you only wish to take away peoples freedom of choise...or should I say The Archers freedom of choise..else slander their names to the degree of 'dubiouse' and 'not seriouse.'
Just because you see an apple tree, does not mean you have to pluck and eat an apple.
As I have said before, I do not go against nor do I bad word the Foundation, even tho I do not wish to join them.
so why pre tell do you, who is supposed to set an example of good, polite and resonable behaviour do so to us.

As for 'claiming that the Elven Community isn't in the list of Registered Guilds.' That I did not, I said I believe it is not. To publicly claim something as opposed to state a beliefe are two differing things.

Drathe, isn't the Archers Of Illarion a brother hood...& not a guild. Which would mean there's no reason to register with Lyrenzia as a guild because it's a brother hood and not a guild, but then I could be wrong

Now now, some of you people are just overreacting.

Lennier only asked a question, Mishrack only said those guilds tend to be dubious, and headmaster Dyluck only said that those who haven't taken the time to understand such an important organization in society today are perhaps not serious or updated enough, and that those who think it is unjustified even after their argument is disproven seem to be narrow minded.

Groups, which don`t want to be registered by Lyrenzia aren`t very serious.

That bit didn't sound like a question, and it wasn't very ... polite, considering Drathe's fine guild is not of Lyrenzia.

yes, very inpolite just beause a guild is not with Lyrenzia doesn't mean it's
not serious.this not only applys for Drathe guilds, but all guilds that are not with Lyrenzia.those that aren't serious have nothing to do with joining Lyrenzia,there are just simple just not serious.

See.. there you people go again with the ....of Lyreniza...and with Lyrenzia
I think this proves a lot of you out there don't understand how Lyrenzia works.

Being a Registered Guild doesn't make you part of Lyrenzia... as far as I have read, registration only ensures recognition and possibility to work with the foundation someday, and this registration comes at no cost. In my opinion if an organization doesn't care about simple recognition as a guild by such an important part of today's society, or doesn't even have the slightest consideration to do this simple thing so that they could work with them someday in the future if they ever wanted to, then I think maybe they are still lacking a little something in their will to work with the rest of society.

Dear Drathe, as you quoted me in the latter part of your message, my understanding is that you claim I slander the name of your guild?

I have claimed that those who meet certain conditions are then perhaps not serious enough or have a narrow perception. If you meet a condition, then I stand by the claim that follows the condition. For those who inaccurately claim that guild registration makes you "in" Lyrenzia, then it is my belief that they are closer to one of the conditions.

Dyluck wrote: If by "not serious", it means that they haven't fully taken the time to understand the workings of such a significant organization in society today as Lyrenzia, then perhaps I would classify the leaders of your guild and the Elven Community as "not serious" enough, or at least "not up to pace" with the world today.

Nobody thus far has provided any good argument that Lyrenzia is doing something that is any less justified than what a single person does on a daily basis around here . And those who continue to hold that belief without any argument, or without attempting to discuss it if they had one, then it would seem to me that either they aren't "serious" enough or have a narrow perception of certain issues in the world.