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Papyrus

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 12:12 pm
by Fedaykin
Da der Wunsch nach Pflanzen die zur Produktion beitragen offen wurde und dort auch Papyrus angesprochen wurde hab ich mal die Pflanze gemacht. Die Vorlage war ein Schwarzweis Bild deswegen weiss ich nicht ob die Farben stimmen. Aber die Blüten waren wirklich so riesig.

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Und hier die geenrtete Pflanze (Jetzt brauchen wir nur noch das Papier)

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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 12:36 pm
by Loki Feuerhaar
Das sieht sehr gut aus.
Zur Farbwahl kann ich nur sagen: "Völlig egal"
Es muss ja nicht 1:1 aus der Realität übernommen werden, nichtmal der Name muss wirklich übernommen werden.
Als Papier wären entweder weisse/braune leere Blätter möglich, leicht grob texturiert, weil es keine Bleichmittel gab. Oder vielleicht sogar schon eine "fertige" Schriftrolle.
Wenn dann das Papier fertig ist, könnten noch Federkiel und Tintenfässchen folgen, ob nun zusammengefasst als "Schreibset" oder als einzelne Objekte.

Bald blüht und grünt jede Ecke der Insel,
Loki

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 1:35 pm
by Fedaykin
So eine Schriftrolle habe ich jetzt

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Jetzt fehlt nur noch das Schreibset

Ich komme langsam richtig in Fahrt. Hier mal das Schreibset

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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 4:22 pm
by Lulufung
Ich muss jetzt mal ein Dickes Lob an alle Leute die Grafiken machen abgeben.
Bis jetzt sah alles was ich zu Auge bekahm sehr gut aus.

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:53 am
by Serpardum
I'm not sure if papyrus would be considered to be around this part of the world, since it seems on Earth anyway to come from Egypt on the Nile. Does it grow anywhere else?

Paper was also made from linen and bark. Linen the more expensive.

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:46 am
by Kragmar
You could use sheepskin. Wasn't parchment made from sheepskin that had been scraped very thin?

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:09 am
by Elaralith
@Separdum Papyrus was around in Europe in the medieval ages. It spread from Egypt. It may have been the "Dark Ages", but there was still much trading :) . Paper was not commonly used in Europe at this time (too expensive even for the rich!), though in China it had already been invented for hundreds of years. Linen was not used for common writing and recording as far as my knowledge...
@Kragmar Good point, sheepskin was actually commonly used. A lot of the writing (usually doen by the clergy at this time) was written on sheepskin because it was a hard surface, easily storable, lasting(when dried), and cheap.

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:30 am
by Crocket
Actually I think linen was used in writing.

A quote from the following site.

http://www.sis.gov.eg/egyptinf/history/html/writing.htm

"The Arabs learned paper technology from the Chinese, in the 8th century AD. They manufactured paper, using linen and other vegetable fibres, on a large scale and introduced the process into Europe. "

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 6:17 am
by Elaralith
@Crocket Hmmm, interesting I didn't know that linen was used in making paper. But even so, paper (made with linen etc.) was still too expensive for most to afford int he medieval ages I think. Animal skins, and plant materials like papyrus were more common.
By the way, I like the graphics for the papyrus plants! Perhaps you could make some that are not in bloom. Papyrus with plants that are not in bloom and with flowers are more common.

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:39 am
by Fedaykin
Wieso sollte es in Illarion kein Papyrus geben? Es hat ja keiner Definiert in welcher Klimazone wir uns befinden. Wir haben eine Wüste in Illa wir haben Sumpf also könnten wir auch Papyrus haben bei solch unterschiedliche bedingungen.

Im Mittelalter wurde auf Pergament geschrieben das waren in Kalklauge gebeitzte Tierhaut. Schaut hier http://www.uni-bamberg.de/ggeo/hilfswis ... stoff.html

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:15 pm
by Sir Giandor
Tierhaut hätten wir doch schon.

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 5:12 am
by paul laffing
But what about rice paper? If you are going to use papyrus, you must use rice paper. Don't forget, it was the first paper ever used, made by the Chinese, in fact.

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:36 am
by Kragmar
As far as I know, after the fall of the Roman empire, Europeans used sheepskin (parchment) for writting. This lasted until the time of the crusades when the europeans brought back linen (and papyrus too?) for paper. These were used until the mid 1800s when trees began to be used for paper. That's where the term "pulp fiction" came from because people like Charles Dickens used it to write the first ficiton stories that were massly distributed.
I'm no history major so all of the above is just what I've gathered from various sources on my own, but I'm pretty certain that it is correct.