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Flaschen für 1 gold zu verkaufen/ bottles for 1 gold to sell

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 8:22 am
by Moyáve
Ich verkaufe Flaschen zum Preis von 1 gold pro Flasche. Es gibt ein Limit von 200 Flaschen pro Kunde. Immoment habe ich einen Vorrat von 1000 Flaschen, die schnellsten die sich hier melden bekommen die Flaschen.

Moyáve

I sell bottles for 1 gold per bottle. There's a limit of 200 bottles per customer. At the moment i have 1000 bottles stored, those who write here the fastest get the bottles.

Moyáve

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 8:29 am
by Caranthir the great
I, Caranthir would be interested in buying twohundred of your bottles.

Also, If I can, I'd like to make a reservation of 200 bottles to my fellow guildsman Mishrack.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 8:33 am
by Moyáve
Mishrak needs to order that himself here.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:11 am
by Dyluck
I'll buy 200 bottles.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:22 am
by Albernon
Dear Moyave

I would like to buy 200 of your bottles from ye please.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:25 am
by Sun Long
Auch ich melde mein Interesse an.
200 Flaschen kämen mir gerade recht. Sagt, wann und wo wir uns treffen können.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 12:05 pm
by Lulufung
Ist das nicht zu Günstig?
Da machst du doch ferlust.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 12:32 pm
by Beni Dral Wap
Seid gegrüsst !

Ich kaufe auch 200 Flaschen ! ICh hoffe auf ein baldiges treffen mit euch !

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 12:40 pm
by Lulufung
Ich kaufe auch 200!

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 1:14 pm
by Moyáve
Nun sind die ersten Flaschen ausverkauft, ich resümiere:

1) Caranthir the Great
2) Dyluck
3) Albernon
4) Sun Long
5) Beni Dral Wap

diese Personen erhalten je 200 Flaschen, anzutreffen für den Handel werde ich meistens an der kleinen Schmiede sein.
Weitere Flaschen folgen, für diese Flaschen werden keine Vorbestellungen angenommen.


Now the first bottles are sold, I resume:

1) Caranthir the Great
2) Dyluck
3) Albernon
4) Sun Long
5) Beni Dral Wap

these persons get 200 bottles each. I will be present for the trade at the forge most time.
Further bottles will follow, for those bottles no reservations will be excepted.

Moyáve

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 1:39 pm
by Lulufung
Mist.
Keine abgekrigt.

Lulufung guckt ganz traurig.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 2:27 pm
by Fieps
Und da wundert man sich warum Smacc nicht funktionieren kann,
jeder der sich bei dieser Aktion beteiligt hat darf sich dazu bekennen genau dazu beigetragen zu haben.

Aber wenn es etwas günstig gibt haut ihr ja alles übern Haufen, alle Wertvorstellungen, die es gibt etc.

Ich hoff demnächst steht nicht einer von euch irgendwo an und beginnt zu meckern wenn wieder einmal jemand ein Feuerschwert für 50 g kauft, und ihr das einfach für zu billig haltet.

Das Recht habt ihr euch hiermit abgesprochen.

krackelig Fieps darunter kritzelt

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:57 pm
by Moyáve
Moyáve liest sich Fieps' Notiz am Schwarzen Brett durch. Sie betrachtet sie offensichtlich erfreut lachend. Sie heftet folgende Notiz darunter:

Ach Fieps, ihr seid ja nur sauer, weil ihr keine 1gold-Flaschen abbekommen habt...

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 4:12 pm
by Sir Giandor
Ich glaube nicht, dass ihm das wichtig ist. Die Versteigerungen und Billigangebote zerstören die Preise in der Stadt. Eine Liste ist dann wirklich sinnlos.

@ Fieps falls ihr doch Flaschen braucht, hab noch welche die ich nicht benötige.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 5:31 pm
by Fieps
Was söllte ich mit Flaschen? Nein Danke Sir Giandor, ich habe dafür keinerlei Verwendungszweck.

Es geht teilweise auch weniger um den Verkäufer der Billigware, viel mehr geht es um die "Kunden", und aus dem Grunde bin ich hier ganz besonders enttäuscht, weil ich von einigen etwas anderes erwartet habe.

Es geht wie immer nach Angebot Nachfrage, wenn niemand solche Flaschen kaufen würden, würden sie auch nicht mehr zu solchen Preisen angeboten werden.
Wenn ich sie kaufe löse ich eine Zerstörungskette im Markt aus, und das sollte so einigen hier bewusst sein, wenn nicht dann habe ich wohl einigen mehr Weitsicht zugetraut als wirklich da ist.

Und was mich ganz besonders grämt ist diese "Habgier", die alle Ideale vergessen lässt, zumindestens für den Moment, und wenn es einem wieder passt, dann erinnert man sich wieder daran und ermahnt andere.

setzt achtlos lediglich ein einfaches "F." darunter

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 8:33 pm
by Lennier
Als Handelsmeister der Grauen Rose, welche prinzipiell der Ideologie Smacc`s folgt, stimme ich Fieps und Giandor zu. Solche Preispolitik wie sie Moyave mit diesem Angebot betrieben hat, kann nicht akzeptiert werden.
Auch überaschen mich gewisse Namen auf der Liste, welche an diesem Geschäft teilgenommen haben...

Aus diesem Grunde möchte ich alle an einem fairen Handel Interessierten bitten in Zukunft von solchen Angboten einzelner Händler Abstand zu nehmen!

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I am surprised over some names on the list too. As the trademaster of the Grey Rose, which follows the ideology of Smacc, I agree Fieps and Giandor. A price strategy based of dumping prices cannot not be accepted.

For this reason I would like to suggest, that in future all people, who are interested on fair trade to reject such offers of some "merchants".


Lennier,
Noble Knight and Trademaster of the Grey Rose

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 8:51 pm
by Beni Dral Wap
Seid gegrüsst !

Hiermit mache ich meine Bestellung wieder rückgängig !

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:33 pm
by Moyáve
Nun damit sind weitere 200 Flaschen zu kaufen. Zur Bestellung schicke man eine Brieftaube an mich. Weitere 1000 sind so gut wie fertig.

Grüsse Moyáve

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:54 pm
by Caranthir the great
If that was something about a possibility to make another purchase, I'd be more than glad to make one.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 10:02 pm
by Dyluck
Like you say Lennier, smacc is an ideal, and although it is a good ideal, it takes much more to make it work than simply putting the idea out there.

At the current time, the reality is that there will always be people who want to purchase goods for a low price.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 10:24 pm
by Lennier
It is not very nice to read this of persons who seted their names on the
list of SMACC. It doesn`t show the determination and perseverance to stay for the own (old) opinion.

Possibly, the same applies for plans of the future too?

I also think, we haven`t to follow Smacc word for word - its a ideal, yes. But we should try to keep a certain level.

But, to trade based on a level of dumping prices doesn`t never follow SMACC.

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:03 pm
by Sir Giandor
I sell 250 Bottles for 4,5.
So the SMACC will slowly accept.
Or maybe in exchange for raw gems. 6 till 8 for every one.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:45 am
by Caranthir the great
Sir Giandor, I would be interested in trading yer bottles to my raw gems.
Seven for one, does that sound something?

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:35 am
by Sunny
Könnte ich auhc noch 200 flaschen haben wen noch welche da sind

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:47 am
by Caranthir the great
Sir Lennier.

Perhaps this was not very ethical, but ye must remember that in the end it was the public opposition that shot down the SMACC-idea.

Thought in that moment seemingly SMACC failed, many item prices are still often at the SMACC-standard or even above.
I try to most time sell on SMACC-prices, and often I buy on them too, but it is easy for ye to critisize us since ye are not up to the reality.
There are and will always be people who sell under the official prices, the longer time passes since SMACC, the more will do that.

We are no more tied to any oaths or promises regarding to SMACC, but if ye start it again, I would be more than glad to fully operate under its prices once more.

Yers, Caranthir the Great.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:08 am
by Lennier
You are so poor, haven`t money, no position that you have to break your promise (signature) only for profit?

Or do you break your promise and the ideal of SMACC, because the "majority" is against SMACC?

I thought, some few people can also keep their opinion against the "stupid" majority. Or the personal opinions always will changed after the will of the majority, only to be a part of this majority, to want to please her?

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:09 pm
by Moyáve
What are you complaining about? I have never even looked at the SMACC list, just heard rumours....Nobody ever asked me "Isn't that price too low?"
Now I'm only trying to do something good...i sell cheap bottles for the poor druids, who have problems purchasing 200 bottles for 4 Silvers...
No one can prohibit me doing this, only because he calls himself by the name of an ideal that nobody would care about.

Moyáve

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:26 pm
by Lennier
I don`t talk about you, Moyave. I speak about them, who buy your "cheap bottles" although they said "Yes" to the idea of Smacc...
Nobody ever asked me "Isn't that price too low?"
I think here are enough posts (of Fieps, Giandor, me and others (?)), which say, that your prices are too low.



Lennier....

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:42 pm
by Moyáve
But never before that...

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:47 pm
by Dyluck
I don't know about the others, but I never signed my name on SMACC. At the beginning when the first SMACC list was made, Damien just wrote the names of anybody who made a comment about the list that wasn't negative.

Anyways, the purpose of SMACC was to regulate the selling price so the ones selling could get more profit, we never said that we will not buy things for lower prices, everybody wants to buy for lower prices. That would not have worked and it still does not work today, because there will forever be people who will buy for low prices, so the ones who don't buy them, then it's their loss.

You may think that if everybody stops buying for low prices, then merchants will have to sell for higher prices, but the reality is that will never happen. People will never stop buying for low prices. If SMACC to work, it will take much better planning than simply making a price list and hoping people will follow it. If you think it will work by controlling the buyers, it will never work. That's the reality. It's only an ideal right now. You'd be better off turning your efforts to the ones selling.