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* a man sits atop a hill overlooking the trollsbane city. he looks downward towards the shop and mines and see two guild leader promising to watch each others back, and elf training magic and two men training swordsmenship. he looks down the road towards the bib and the large smithy and sees some old people around a fire wondering what went wrong, a young man gathering cabbages to feed his wife and kids and a dwarf returning from the mines, with coal, iron and a scare from a stray spell.*
#me sighs

"if only corruption had not reached this land so quickly, so much violence and violations of rules, disregard for elders and children. destruction of holy land and building ugly "guild" houses on it as symbols of power. it may be to late but I must try,"

*the man walks to the guild wall*

"ahh yes, what better place then here"

#me starts writing, and posts his message

Ahem,

greetings, I am here to produce TWO theories, here they are

One Country Theory,

all guilds support one another, guild wars are eliminated, illarion becomes mor epeacefull and economy returns its constantly flunctuating ways, as differant people pay differant prices. A town council is PROPORLY introduced, made of only the upmost smartest and golden players who hold highest respect for others. Smacc is wiped out allowing freelance companies to take over, like Erdricks. holy land is protected and all people live as equls no matter the race, non belivers will be the only ones prejugated.  the land is peacefull warm and fun.

Many Guilds Theory,

No guilds support one another, guilds vie for position. deals are made, and many broken quickly, some deals survive. back stabbing and unlawfullness rules here. strongest survive. ones who belive in peace are send to the underground, trying to save what little preciousness they have left. children die, overpopulation increases. war is a common occurance. as is guild merging, disbandation and land claims. items are overpriced by smacc and Erdrick and Damien become power hungry mongrels who destroy and eat away the economy.  money and mineral become hugely popular, but eco hounds from smacc get to them first, and items become rarer and still MORE expensive. illarion turns into an economicly unstable un fun and poluted wasteland.

both theories mention smacc, after research it shows smacc is acutally a bad thing, regardless of what erdrick and damien say. people have no right to pick prices therefore, economy becomes unstable.


I made the post becuase I want a majority vote! either theory one or two! you can agree to live in peacefullness of corrupted war likeness. Vote here, Or we can call a meeting I will NOT answer questions on this post, I will reply but not answer them unless a meeting of guild leaders is called.

Yeah, I agree with your basics... and of course I'd vote for theory one

But as for SMACC... Just one thing: RL: anti-dumping laws. They ARE necessary in RL.
'nuff said. Think it over.

Power-Hungry mongrel... I like money more than power, but whatever milks yer gurnsey...
Wait a second...! Heres Lasukie, Oh-Believer-Of-Smacc-It-Is-The-Bible:
"Do not disobey SMACC!"
"I will report you to Damien!"
"I can sit on your pots when I feel like it!"
"Erdrick, smacc-hater: Smacc is obstacle, blahblahblah..."
Oh, looks like he switched powers again...
"Defender of what is right to me!" -Oh, is that so? Buhahaha...
This is interesting. Anyone else notice what he is doing?

acutally, who are you mr.GET OOF MY VASE
or TELL ME YOUR NAME OR I WILL KILL YOU!

and my signature was around before smacc was ever created so you leave that out, I did research RECENTLY and found out smacc is wrong do. I will not support it any longer.
and basicly you DO like money more then power, why make a merchant guild? to make friends? now erdrick, stop making yourself look foolish.

not to mention,
your pot belongs to the creator to the infinite power that created the gods of illarion, remember that.

That vase belongs to me, so get your dirty seat off of it! :cheesy:
Stop changing powers so you look good. Going against SMACC is probably going to turn into a war. You people watch, in next day or so, a topic comes up:
"Attention BlackWolfs, stop buying from SMACC people! And Erdrick's Guild, and Damien's Guild, and Ironhammer Guild, And Bloodskulls Guild... etc..."
Actually, you are switching powers to the lesser team. Look how many guilds support it. Then, look at the 5 members you have... that have not clarified they trust your beliefs.

wrpngo erdrick, stop trying to sound smart, you have NO IDEA how I run my guild, so lay off my business. and is is NOT your pot and my seat IS NOT dirty.
thank the creater who created the gods to the infinite power for that pot, beacuase that god created that god until the gods we worship today are made, then they made the races, who then procreated for generations before the person who made your pot was even born,  then that person made the pot and you bought it. not to mention that the gods created the raw materials and machinry items to create the pot in the first place. WE do not own anything.
A war is going to start if someone DOESENT go against smacc, dont you see? that power mongrel thing is already kicking in. here is a rather short bit of my research:

((ooc))
Title: Short thesis on economics,
When ONE econmic system is in place for ONE country or city that is supposedly the only one in existance at the time, or is isolated. then more ecenomies from outside join into the main economy thus creating many differant ecnomies, and a stock exchange or many are made. stock exchanges crash or shutdown plunging ALL economies into ecnomic chaos, and cuasing among other things:
WARS
DEPRESSION
RECCESSION

once these occur the other economies either isolate,join, or get involved in the conflict(s) that are created, thus the economy is a conctantly power hungry state of emergency that can burst any second and cuase much suffering.

Bibloghraphy:

Branford Public Library

OOC may be used as roleplay in this case if authorised by bror or other game masters.

end (ooc)


and is does not matter whether or not my members trust me, I trust thier belives. if you did more the get angry at things you cannot understand and found inner peace, you would understand.

Actually, SMACC was around before lasukie was around.  Just to clear that up.

And Illarion is not totally like either theory, that is what makes it interesting.  It would not be interesting if everyone was a murderer and a criminal and everyone was evil, and it would not be interesting if everyone was a perfect angel, so we have a mix of both.  It may seem odd that we need chaos and criminals, but in truth, we do.  It would be BAD if we had thousands of laws where everyone must act like the same perfect person and a town council above us.  Where is the fun?  It turns into a scedule:  Everyone do this, everyone do that, nobody defying the law or anything.  Think about it before you keep proposing that we should eliminate all criminals and disorder and be truly "happy".

In close, most of these things are nonsense, they would only make things LESS fun and interesting.  I know I and many other people who would not play if theory two came fully true.

Eh... Lasukie, nice citation. But Illarion doesn't have any borders through which other economical systems (with support from the home countries) could come in. And SMACC is not strictly an economical system, it is nothing but an anti-dumping organisation, which is needed, and you will find fixed lowest prices in every single variation of modern capitalism (no, Manchester Capitalism is NOT modern capitalism), which is what we live in in Illarion.
ooc: My train's leaving in 15 minutes, so see ya all someday

Könnte sich eine gute Seele erbarmen das mal kurz für die nur deutschsprachigen zu übersetzten?

Sorry lasukie, but i am against you in this one.
You see everything so black and white, dont you?
Now a merchant really haves a possibility to earn money, without having to sell to that cheap lizard at the shop.
SMACC really is important, i think none you stated about it above was really true.
I think that without SMACC, the economy would collapse and the items would become worthless again.
I am for peace, and if i could i would say 1½,
But if thats not allowed, i say 2.

WITH SMACC THE ECNOMY  WILL COLAPSE DONT YOU SEE?

Lasukie, would you mind to state an argument ? I mean, please, you state your opinion as a fact, but all you had to offer to support it was an unfitting citation (unfitting as it applies to economical systems and their competition, while the SMACC-rules are nothing in the way of an economical system).
I do not see how the economy is to collapse with SMACC, I rather see it acceleraqting it. When I know there's some guy selling strong heals for 2 gp, I won't bother to make any. If there's people selling plate armor for under 18 gp, I'll sell them to the shop, I won't eaven ask around if anybody wants to buy some.
Also, with non-regulated prices, every newbie could get full perfect eq after 30 min of work, or eaven get them for free. That makes 7-8 equipment items per newbie who comes in that change owners. Yuk. Now with high prices for equipment, many newbies first buy worse items, like some leather armor, or let's say eaven chain mail. Now, when they get higher up the food chain, they will upgrade their equipment. Which already speeds up our economy, as it increases the number of traded equipment items per newbie.

Gandela:
Ganz kurz gemacht:

Lasukie stellt zwei Theorien auf, wie Illarion sich weiterentwickeln kann, wobei er nur die Existenz jeweils einer dieser Theorien zulaesst. Sie waeren:
1) Alle Gilden arbeiten zusammen, SMACC wird ausgeloescht => Friede Freue Eierkuchen.
2) Alle Gilden bekriegen sich, SMACC entwickelt sich zu einer Sorte alles kontrollierendem Monopol.
Er will dass alle fuer eine der beiden Theorien stimmen.
Er beantwortet keine Fragen, bis ein Gildentreffen mit allen Gildenoberhaeupten einberufen worden ist, zu diesem Thema.

Dann kam etwas Schlammschlacht und eine kurze Verteidigung von SMACC, darauf wieder eine laengere, hier stark zusammengefasste Antwort von Lasukie (den Schlammschlacht-Teil lass ich natuerlich raus):
Im echten Leben gibt es eine Theorie, nach der, wenn in einem isolierten Landstrich ein oekonomisches System vorherrscht, und andere oekonomische Systeme aus dem Ausland reinkommen, dann entsteht ein riesiges Kuddelmuddel, was zu einem Zusammenbruch der Oekonomie und zu Kriegen, Leiden etc. fuehrt.

Antworten: Astral sagt, dass Illarion gerade so interessant ist, weil keine der beiden am Anfang von Lasukie praesentierten Theorien hinhaut. Beide wuerden Illarion unspielbar machen, einmal wegen totaler Langewerile, die zweite wegen... na ja, ist klar, oder?

Ich: SMACC ist ein anti-Dumping-Gesetz, kein oek. System => haut nicht hin. SMACC belebt unsere Oekonomie, eher, als sie zu behindern.

Caranthir: SMACC ist wichtig, ohne es wuerde die Oekonomie zusammenbrechen und Items wuerden wieder wertlos werden.

So, das war's, extrem stark gekuerzt, weil ich hier in nem verrauchten lauten Internet-Cafe sitze, mit einer *^@#$^$#-Tastatur.

Wenn ich was wesentliches ausgelassen hab, bitte erghaenzen, ich hab versucht, es mit so wenig Inhaltsverlust wie moeglich kurz zusammenzufassen.

hmmm kurz mal meine meinung zu smacc:
es ist eine gute idee ABER (!)
1. stimmt das Preisverhältnis zwischen "Verbrauchsgegenständen" (wie manatränken) und "Gebrauchsgegenständen" (wie ein Feuerschwert) noch nicht, dies wird sich aber ändern wen schwerter stumpf und rüstungen kaput gehen
2. brauchen wir eine obriegkeit die smacc durchsetzt und kontrolier, diese kann sich nur aus einem Gilden-Konzil bilde, aber auch das wird die zukunft hoffentlich bringen...

I am going through ......discussion with damien as we speak:)