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This is a mix of Adrian´s proposal and Pell´s idea:

Diet-o-Meter (DoM):
"Free" Food: Anything you can get without the "baking" skill.
-DoM decreases by 5% in the range of 75-100%
-DoM decreases by 3% in the range of 26-74%
-DoM decreases by 1.5% in the range of 1-25%

"Cooked" Food: Food that can be made by average cooks.
-DoM decreases by 3% in the range of 75-100%
-DoM decreases/raises by 1.5% towards 50% in the range of 26-74%
-DoM raises by 3% in the range of 0-25%

"High Quality" Food: Food that can only be made by skilled cooks.
-DoM raises by 1.5% in the range of 75-100%
-DoM raises by 3% in the range of 26-74%
-DoM raises by 5% in the range of 1-25%

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Food gained by potions/magic:
Doesn´t affect the DoM.

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Racial Features:

-Humans, Elfes, Dwarfes, Halflings, Gnomes, Goblins:
normal

- Lizards:
average bakery products AND meat based cooked meals = "Free" Food
fish based free meals = "Cooked" Food
non-fish based high quality meals = "Cooked" Food
fish based cooked meals = "High Quality" Food

- Orcs:
fruit based free meals = "Free" Food
meat based free meals = "Cooked" Food
non-meat based high quality meals = "Cooked" Food
meat based cooked meals = "High Quality" Food

- Fairies:
meat based free meals = "Free" Food
fruit based free meals = "Cooked" Food
non-fruit based high quality meals = "Cooked" Food
fruit based cooked meals = "High Quality" Food

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Ideas (e.g. for racial features)? Criticism?

I like it... It seems more Mathematical. I like math...

Very nyce, and in colour too

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However, be more.. precise

"Very quickly"
"Quickly"

How much values are you thinking about here?

well, considering 50% standard...one might need 8 "unhealthy" meals to reach the "bad condition" mark. --> quickly=3%

therefore slowly could be about 1.5%

and very quickly 5%

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comments?

personally i think the other system can be abused to much and this one can't. Though there goes my const....

Lizards eat raw fish.

AlexRose wrote:Lizards eat raw fish.

Lizards:
fish based free meals = "Cooked" Food

Aleady there

But I think there should be a disadvantage for every advantage... what could "harm" Lizards?

cakes and bread and so on.

pharse wrote:But I think there should be a disadvantage for every advantage... what could "harm" Lizards?

Pretty much anything else

A creature born in water wouldn't be able to digest anything non-fishy I suppose

*edited*

with "average bakery products" I mean e.g. bread (rolls), pies etc, but not soups or something.

Wait... so DoM is the Diet thinger majig.... so your rewarding const for being fat? or eating right? im not sure i understand.... and since when is free food that bad for you? what if its free caviar

This feature is to replace the old system where you could be poisoned by simply eating only one apple. Additionally it will give the cooks more importance.

No one talks about RL realism. It´s Illarion.

I am not shure if i understood correctly

If everything you eat makes the DoM-Change one time:

12 Apples, from 50%:
50% -8*3% -4*1.5% = 20% --> CONST -1

one Steak (fills around the same as the apples above now) after a long break:

20% +1*5% = 25% --> still CONST -1

5 Sausages (fill around the same, too) after the apples instead:

20% +2*3% +3*1.5% = 30.5% --> CONST +/-0

Would be a bit unbalanced, so the steak and all things that fill much schould do the DoM-bonus more than one time.

Hadrian_Abela wrote:

pharse wrote:But I think there should be a disadvantage for every advantage... what could "harm" Lizards?

Pretty much anything else

A creature born in water wouldn't be able to digest anything non-fishy I suppose

I disagree everything else should be. Since Lizardmen are (supposed to be) amphibious they should be able to eat meat, fish, and plants, not vegetables though, just 'greenery' type stuff. I would imagine for bread and cakes as Pell said before would be harder to eat and digest though. If fish were the only thing lizardmen coulc eat then I would suggest that lizardmen should be able to fish without a rod - perhaps even regardless of this entire thread they should be able to do so.

Just my thoughts.

Completely useless system in my opinion ... maybe enhance the existing system so that you can feel thirst ... secondly remove that bars that indicate hitpoints (what a silly term) and hunger.

The indicator that I am hungry is my growling stomach ... if I feel thirsty, my mouth is dry ... if I am ill or hurt, I feel weak ... if I am hurt too much, I'll break down ...

how about items filling fairies more? i mean, i have to eat the same amount on my 10 lbs fairy as my 400 lbs dwarf.

I just finished scripting this diet system. My last question: does anyone of you have another idea for racial features besides Orcs, Lizards and Fairies?

as a dietician i can say you, your system is bullshit. the nutritional value doesnt change when we have much or less hunger. also the hunger hasent a so big influence to or physical abilities like constitution. A human can eat until a week nothing without any important changesof his physical abilities. It is only important that he drink enough.

Dwarves & orcs - like meat based stuff better than vegetables
Elves & halflings - vice versa

Don't forget to include some messages, telling the player that his character suffers from too much junk food. Something tells me all this might result in many characters loosing constitution and some gamers using this to pwn even more...

@Dji: Is anywhere in that whole topic written how fast this goes. I think you agree that you have slightly physical changes if you eat half a year nothing but fast food.

I dont talk about eating the wrong thinks, i talk about eating nothing.

Diet-o-Meter (DoM):
Code:

0-10% -- CONST -2
11-25% -- CONST -1
26-74% -- CONST +/-0
75-89% -- CONST +1
90-100% -- CONST +2

this system has nothing to do with starving or whatever. If you eat too less in Illarion, you get clouded as far as I know?

Perhaps for better understanding: the DoM is affected everytime you eat something.

yep. That System is not about the amount you eat. Its about what you eat. If you eat only apples its not that good for you.

For the amount of stamina-loss you experience in Illa (even when doing absolutely zip, save talking and walking) and the corresponding amount of food you would have to eat to reach the 100% is pretty insane under this system. Now come on, 1,5% from 75-100 with the "high end foodstuffs" ? 17 steaks only to reach the final 25%? Can ya'll say "Utterly Ridiculous" ?

And Nitram, you are wrong. The system is just about making the high-end foodstuffs even more desirable. So you can eat cakes all day long, but not apples.

And the DOM decreases from all the free food? Where's the logic in that?

So eating a lot of free food, will make you weaker...

Thats why it decreses, so it falls towards the -ve area.

uh well than i m sorry for missunderstanding that. But well even than it hasnt anything to do with our body. you can live without any problems if you eat the whoule time illas "free food" fruits and vegetable. Sure your body must accustom to that food and also sure that isnt the food for a competitive athlete, but a normal human can live without any problems so, or to say it on a other way, that is much more healthy as eat the whoule day meat meals.

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Ums mal auf deutsch zu formulieren. Es schadet dem menschlichem Körper mehr wenn ich Tag ein tag aus Haxe oder Wurst esse, als wenn ich mich den lieben langen tag von obst und gemüse ernähre. Genug Urwaldvölker machen das, da kommt wenns hoch kommt 1-2 mal Fleisch im Monat auf den Tisch und die sind wesentlich gesünder als wir es sind.

Das Ideal ist letztendlich natürlich ein ausgewogendes Mittelmaß aus allen Lebensmitteln (ihr kennt alle die Ernährungspyramiede?). Dabei ist aber ziehmlich unwichtig wie weit die Speisen verarbeitet/zubereitet sind, viel wichtiger ist das alles vorhanden ist. Und btw. meistens verschlechtert Zubereitung nur die ernähungsphysiologische Qualität eines Lebensmittels (Stichpunkt Abschälung und Auskochung von Vitaminen und Mineralstoffen).

@Hadrian

"Free" Food: Anything you can get without the "baking" skill.
-DoM decreases by 5% in the range of 75-100%
-DoM decreases by 3% in the range of 26-74%
-DoM decreases by 1.5% in the range of 1-25%

According to this, DoM would decrease ALWAYS when eating free food. Regardless of the amount or anything else. Which is, quite frankly.. tadaa - stupid.. Not to mention shafts the nooblets.

Exaclty, the more free food you eat, the weaker you become

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0-10% -- CONST -2
11-25% -- CONST -1
26-74% -- CONST +/-0
75-89% -- CONST +1
90-100% -- CONST +2
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I understood it quite. But that is stupid. What is the point of having that free food in the game at all then? Last time I checked, while eating just apples isn't healthy, it sure doesn't make you more hungry..

What is this proposal anyway? Players of cook-characters united? Eating is already one of the few things you "have" to do if you want to do anything at all in the game, so lets not make it so that you have to eat 1000000000 steaks a day to do a goddamn thing.

Please.