Illarion.org

the flames burnt out. - for the moment.
everybody is busy to clean up the place.
the ashes are swept away by buckets full of goodwill.

and how will it go on?

to know that, we just have to look back.
because the recent outbreak was no horror movie, but just a sequel of an ongoing horror series.

it is not even a full year, that i am reading and writing on these boards. but in this short time i could see this circle this ring of fire go various times to complete it's merry go round.
phase one: sunshine - the staff keeps a low profile, hoping that the players will stay good mannered by themselves.
phase two: cloudy - some persons abuse of this freedom.
phase three: heavy clouded - the staff tries to explain to the posters, why they should maintain a certain level of civilized interaction.
phase four: tension build up - some posters feel oppressed.
phase five: graveyard - return of the dead. ex-players reappear scratching at old scars and bringing new/old fuel for the fire.
phase six: nagging - free for all. bash your favorite staffy! the mayority of actual players take cover. they either take a total break, or they abstain from writing on the boards. a relativ small group of players and ex-players is starting to make demands - in the name of being a mayority. some of them get worse and worser in their posting manners.
phase seven: ignition - some mod makes some decision. a couple of "how could you..." posts blow the spark to life.
phase eight: arrival of the shiny knights - a couple of comunity members see the need to fight for "rights", ignoring, that they are fighting for the wrong "side".
phase nine: full blaze - flaming at ist's best! any action by any staffy is used as more fuel. the shiny knights get scorched.
phase ten: burn out - everybody asks "how could that happen?" and "what really happened?"
phase eleven: clean up the mess - the staff tries to sweep away the ashes. the shiny knights tend their wounds and try to understand, what happened. the undead return to their graves, after a commentary or two. some actual players express their disgust and anounce consequences.
result: no winner. a lot of loosers. illarion damaged.
phase one: sunshine - the staff keeps a low profile, hoping that the players will stay good mannered by themselves....

my opinion:
the staff should think about the true reasons, that keep the ring of fire burning.
during the "nagging-phase" there are enough indications, where the true problems are.
a missbehaving poster is just the ignition. the fuel for the flames are not openly named in the flaming phase.
(and i won't name them here and now, not to stirr up the flames again)

i wrote, "the staff should..."
we got players, who are mere childs and react like childs. we got a lot players in the age of puberty, who act accordingly.
there are grown up players too.
but as a group "the players" are not consistent enough in their opinions and behaviour, to form part of the decision-making, this game (every game) needs.

hurry up staff! you got about two months, till the next nagging starts.

-korm-

I don't think the staff are the only ones who can stop it.

We, the players, are the ones too that keep throwing wood on the fire.
Let not the staff hurry up, let us all just be nice.

Oh, Korm, you talk there about it like the people who are in the puberty are the ones who do everything *points his age*

Fine, any more comments? No? COOOOKIES!!! *starts giving bags of cookies korm and all the others*

we got players, who are mere childs and react like childs. we got a lot players in the age of puberty, who act accordingly.
there are grown up players too.
but as a group "the players" are not consistent enough in their opinions and behaviour, to form part of the decision-making, this game (every game) needs.

I completely agree with you.

Krom, you post tells no one things they don't know. State the obvious (For the most part). It helps no one in any way.

Making clear the obvious helps more than hope alone.

Korm Kormsen wrote:
it is not even a full year, that i am reading and writing on these boards. but in this short time i could see this circle this ring of fire go various times to complete it's merry go round.

I hate to pull the veteran card, but a year isen't long enough to see any rings of anything.....let me explain

phase one: sunshine - the staff keeps a low profile, hoping that the players will stay good mannered by themselves.
phase two: cloudy - some persons abuse of this freedom.
phase three: heavy clouded - the staff tries to explain to the posters, why they should maintain a certain level of civilized interaction.
phase four: tension build up - some posters feel oppressed.
phase five: graveyard - return of the dead. ex-players reappear scratching at old scars and bringing new/old fuel for the fire.

This is completely normal for all communities, not just this one, this entire thing makes sense as any "Phase 1"

also..

phase five: graveyard - return of the dead. ex-players reappear scratching at old scars and bringing new/old fuel for the fire.

Ex-Players often offer insight into how things are being run or why they have left or haven't come back sooner, portraying them in this negative light is not going to help matters, listening to them might, granted, they should express themselves in less agressive mannerisms but...

phase six: nagging - free for all. bash your favorite staffy! the mayority of actual players take cover. they either take a total break, or they abstain from writing on the boards. a relativ small group of players and ex-players is starting to make demands - in the name of being a mayority. some of them get worse and worser in their posting manners.

Never have I seen any few players physicly claim to be a majority and attack a "Favorite" Staffy.

phase seven: ignition - some mod makes some decision. a couple of "how could you..." posts blow the spark to life.
phase eight: arrival of the shiny knights - a couple of comunity members see the need to fight for "rights", ignoring, that they are fighting for the wrong "side".

There are no wrong sides, there are only wrong postings. If you think someone is on a wrong side, your being biased towards them and should re-evaluating your posistion. If its flaming that this is addressing, yes its a problem; flaming is always a problem, but theres some difference between flaming and agressive assertion, if someone wants the staff to listen, they might take measures to do it that offend other people on the side of the staff and what they do. This is precisely what sparked thursdays events, My post adressing Keikan and the few who disagreed with it.. (and the few who did agree with it)

phase nine: full blaze - flaming at ist's best! any action by any staffy is used as more fuel. the shiny knights get scorched.
phase ten: burn out - everybody asks "how could that happen?" and "what really happened?"

This doesen't happen to reasonable people, and I've seen alot of cases where its had plenty of good chance to happen, but people were reasonable enough to stop it.

phase eleven: clean up the mess - the staff tries to sweep away the ashes. the shiny knights tend their wounds and try to understand, what happened. the undead return to their graves, after a commentary or two. some actual players express their disgust and anounce consequences.

Nobody asks why the old players leave again, so they might come back again and this might happen again, because illarion is a good game that people WANT to play, but members of the staff often make it DIFFICULT to keep veteran players around for any number of reasons, mainly by being favoritely biased towards new players and trying to increase new playerbase.

my opinion:
the staff should think about the true reasons, that keep the ring of fire burning.
during the "nagging-phase" there are enough indications, where the true problems are.
a missbehaving poster is just the ignition. the fuel for the flames are not openly named in the flaming phase.
(and i won't name them here and now, not to stirr up the flames again)

So what do you suggest doctor Korm, more over moderation? More favoritism, and even more tactical first strikes to take out troublesome people? Or do you suggest better communication skills? Lets see..

i wrote, "the staff should..."
we got players, who are mere childs and react like childs. we got a lot players in the age of puberty, who act accordingly.

I want the disclaimer back on the page that says only mature people should play this game, and I want some kind of account system back in place that shows the intelligence of the player and why they are here, I'm not sure if a whelming majority will agree with this view, but unless someone can give a better view on how to boost maturity and get better quality players around here, please I'd like to see.

there are grown up players too.
but as a group "the players" are not consistent enough in their opinions and behaviour, to form part of the decision-making, this game (every game) needs.

This is where staff makes judgement calls on what the community needs, they haven't done such a good job listening to ANY players of quality anyway recently, if they have, none of this would probably have ended up happening.

hurry up staff! you got about two months, till the next nagging starts.

-korm-

Nagging will always happen, it has no time limit.

returner,

i am tempted to answer to your points. even if it is pointless, to try so.

your so very carefull worded statements show clear enough, to what lengths you had to go, to find something, that looks like arguments.

I hate to pull the veteran card, but a year isen't long enough to see any rings of anything.....

a simple use of the search function is needed, to prove, that the same small group of american players and ex players completed the circle thrice in this year.

and - if you prefer to call phase 1, what i called phase 1 to 5,
that shows just, that you tend to simplify, where i used a detailed description, to describe clearer, what is going on.

Zitat:
phase five: graveyard - return of the dead. ex-players reappear scratching at old scars and bringing new/old fuel for the fire.


Ex-Players often offer insight into how things are being run or why they have left or haven't come back sooner, portraying them in this negative light is not going to help matters, listening to them might, granted, they should express themselves in less agressive mannerisms but...

Ex-Players often offer insight into how things are being run...

that is true.
but other (or in some cases the same) explayers "offer" a revival of real or imaginary wrongs they suffered in the past. - regardless, if it fits to the actual debate.

...why they have left or haven't come back sooner,...

that could be personal reasons, than it would be legitimate, but not necessarily interesting to all.
or that could be discontend with the game, or the administration.

in the later case, it does not show any will to be constructive, if they express themselves just in a moment, when the staff allready is tense, treating with the naggers or missbehavers at hand.

...granted, they should express themselves in less agressive mannerisms but...

striking off the "but", we two found at last something to agree upon.

Zitat:

phase six: nagging - free for all. bash your favorite staffy! the mayority of actual players take cover. they either take a total break, or they abstain from writing on the boards. a relativ small group of players and ex-players is starting to make demands - in the name of being a mayority. some of them get worse and worser in their posting manners.



Never have I seen any few players physicly claim to be a majority and attack a "Favorite" Staffy.

you put your words very carefully here. - i think, for anybody with some memory capacity it is clear, that here you just try to evade, to let the truth stay unbended.

Zitat:

phase seven: ignition - some mod makes some decision. a couple of "how could you..." posts blow the spark to life.
phase eight: arrival of the shiny knights - a couple of comunity members see the need to fight for "rights", ignoring, that they are fighting for the wrong "side".



There are no wrong sides, there are only wrong postings. If you think someone is on a wrong side, your being biased towards them and should re-evaluating your posistion. If its flaming that this is addressing, yes its a problem; flaming is always a problem, but theres some difference between flaming and agressive assertion, if someone wants the staff to listen, they might take measures to do it that offend other people on the side of the staff and what they do. This is precisely what sparked thursdays events, My post adressing Keikan and the few who disagreed with it.. (and the few who did agree with it)

yes, there are wrong sides in the happenigns of these flamecycles.
would you tell the people at EA games, what you told the illarion staff?
or...
if a couple of people enter your house, start to insult you, or part of your family, would you think them on the "right side"?

...but theres some difference between flaming and agressive assertion,...

right. even worse, that you, knowing the difference, did outright flame at full power.

...they might take measures to do it that offend other people on the side of the staff and what they do...

i am not sure, if i understand this right. does that mean, that, by your standards, certain circumstances give players and ex-players the right to be offensive against staff and other players?

Zitat:

phase nine: full blaze - flaming at ist's best! any action by any staffy is used as more fuel. the shiny knights get scorched.
phase ten: burn out - everybody asks "how could that happen?" and "what really happened?"



This doesen't happen to reasonable people, and I've seen alot of cases where its had plenty of good chance to happen, but people were reasonable enough to stop it.

well, thank you. we are advancing.

...but people were reasonable enough to stop it.

you simply weren't.

Zitat:

phase eleven: clean up the mess - the staff tries to sweep away the ashes. the shiny knights tend their wounds and try to understand, what happened. the undead return to their graves, after a commentary or two. some actual players express their disgust and anounce consequences.



Nobody asks why the old players leave again, so they might come back again and this might happen again, because illarion is a good game that people WANT to play, but members of the staff often make it DIFFICULT to keep veteran players around for any number of reasons, mainly by being favoritely biased towards new players and trying to increase new playerbase.

and if that really would be so... - so what?

we all take a free ride.
so, if we leave for personal reasons, and come back later, ok.
if we are discontent, the only "right" we got, is to make suggestions.
but, on our free ride, we do not have the right to demand!
we don't even have the right, to demand, that our suggestions are taken up.
we got just one right: to leave whenever we want.
we don't even have the right to readmission, after we went.
or, to be even clearer: we don't even have the right, not to be kicked out without reasons.

the big mistake of your's (and other's) - you think, by being a veteran player to have achieved some rights.

or do the rules say, that veteran players have the right, to bully the staff?

Zitat:

my opinion:
the staff should think about the true reasons, that keep the ring of fire burning.
during the "nagging-phase" there are enough indications, where the true problems are.
a missbehaving poster is just the ignition. the fuel for the flames are not openly named in the flaming phase.
(and i won't name them here and now, not to stirr up the flames again)



So what do you suggest doctor Korm, more over moderation? More favoritism, and even more tactical first strikes to take out troublesome people? Or do you suggest better communication skills? Lets see..

suggestions from "doctor" korm, on special demand from "chief" returner:
(you hand out a doc, and get back a chief, ok? - just, that i don't owe you)

1) forum accounts and play accounts not being independent from each other. (i.e. only if you got a player account, may you make a forum account)

2) after prolongated inactivity, the game account and the forum account(s) will be closed.
(with the possibility, that players beforehand anounce a temporal inactivity, to keep their accounts)

3) leaving players, who make one of those (in)famous "i leave, because you are all so bad" threads, are excluded from readmittance.

4) a ban from the game means a ban from the forum as well. - and a ban from the forum means a kick from the game.

(the tecnical aid forum should be open to guestwriters then)

Zitat:

i wrote, "the staff should..."
we got players, who are mere childs and react like childs. we got a lot players in the age of puberty, who act accordingly.


I want the disclaimer back on the page that says only mature people should play this game, and I want some kind of account system back in place that shows the intelligence of the player and why they are here, I'm not sure if a whelming majority will agree with this view, but unless someone can give a better view on how to boost maturity and get better quality players around here, please I'd like to see.

what would help a disclaimer? - or do you want to make me believe, that during "disclaimer-times" there were no children entering the game?

account system - being the last, or one of the last players, who entered through the former system, i agree with you on this point.

Zitat:

there are grown up players too.
but as a group "the players" are not consistent enough in their opinions and behaviour, to form part of the decision-making, this game (every game) needs.



This is where staff makes judgement calls on what the community needs, they haven't done such a good job listening to ANY players of quality anyway recently, if they have, none of this would probably have ended up happening.

i enhanced my original point in bold.

...they haven't done such a good job listening to ANY players of quality ...
whose decision is it, to say, who is a "player of quality"?
who says, that it is the staffs duty, to listen to players?
(remember, what i wrote about the free ride)

for everybody, who as kid ever played soccer or another ball game in the street, it should be easy to comprehend the first rule of any game:
allways be polite to the owner of the ball!

Zitat:

hurry up staff! you got about two months, till the next nagging starts.

-korm-


Nagging will always happen, it has no time limit.

well, if you choose to ignore the context...


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your post, that i answered here, shows clearly, that you are intelligent.
knowing that returner is not a retard, makes that huge amount of filthy one-line or one-word posts of your's you put in each and every topic even more offending.

my personal opinion still is, that you are poison for the forum, and thus poison for the game.
i really would be content, if you would be perma-banned.

korm

In fact, the staff doesn't HAVE to listen to players, and the staff has the right to ban or kick or whatever whomever they like on this private server.
The fact that the staff listens to players and does not kick/ban everyone who states a different opinion than staff members do just shows that the staff wants to achieve something together with the players.
If that is not possible in the long run because some players abuse the freedom they've been given here, the staff will have to react and change.
The result of this would be several players who boycot and perhaps leave the game for a while. But honestly, there will alwayws be enough old and new players who will continue playing. I've seen examples for this on one or two UO freeshards, and it's just how it goes.

The stop of technical development from several demotivated staff members does not happen for the first time. It happens again and again. It has even put a complete stop to development for about a year (or more) quite a while ago. Such couldn't be stopped with the dot system, but if people on the forums do not learn to show some responsibility, the staff has to do something like the dot system or something "worse" to keep illarion developing.
The main thing about the illarion website and forums is the game. Things that are not good for the game will have to be handled somehow. If that does not work in teamwork with the players (anyhow it's fine with the most, it's just a few who either think they have to rebel against any possible existing "authority" or who just want to ruin the fun for everyone), what options are left to the staff ?
See.

I would extend Korm's rules ..

1) forum accounts and play accounts not being independent from each other. (i.e. only if you got a player account, may you make a forum account)

2) after prolongated inactivity, the game account and the forum account(s) will be closed.
(with the possibility, that players beforehand anounce a temporal inactivity, to keep their accounts)

3) leaving players, who make one of those (in)famous "i leave, because you are all so bad" threads, are excluded from readmittance.

4) a ban from the game means a ban from the forum as well. - and a ban from the forum means a kick from the game.

1b) One forum account for each character of the players account, automatically created as part of the game.

5) Max. 3 characters per player account

6) New character creation one RL year (or maybe a little bit shorter) after the newest character was created

Reason: Bring more stability and identification into that game. Disable character creation for personal strategic use.

Rosendil

rosendil,

about 1b). i thought about that, when the orc queen Kurga came to my mind.
if dusty would had have to use just one forum account, she would not have been so much fun for everybody.

and some of us need additional accounts for the guild or village, they are manageing.

korm

Just my personal opinion...

1) forum accounts and play accounts not being independent from each other. (i.e. only if you got a player account, may you make a forum account)

Better: If you create a char, automatically a board account is created. Something for the long run. But independent board accounts are essential (e.g. guild accounts)

2) after prolongated inactivity, the game account and the forum account(s) will be closed.
(with the possibility, that players beforehand anounce a temporal inactivity, to keep their accounts)

No way.

3) leaving players, who make one of those (in)famous "i leave, because you are all so bad" threads, are excluded from readmittance.

No way.

4) a ban from the game means a ban from the forum as well. - and a ban from the forum means a kick from the game.

A complete ban is possible, but it is the very last action. Don't overdo it.

1b) One forum account for each character of the players account, automatically created as part of the game.

Fine, as long as independent accounts can still be created. And if the coding for this is within a reasonable limit.

5) Max. 3 characters per player account

Why? I could use more than 5 chars... Don't want to delete my "I have this certain mood today"-chars.

6) New character creation one RL year (or maybe a little bit shorter) after the newest character was created

What the smile 4 years until I can create my fifth character?!

Korm Kormsen wrote: yes, there are wrong sides in the happenigns of these flamecycles.
would you tell the people at EA games, what you told the illarion staff?
or...

I have told EA games, I have been on EA games forums where other people have told EA games, EA games is using a nearly six year old engine and gameplay as their staple, its not lasting very long and its beggining to hurt their sales from not listening to the players. C&C3 was launched at a terrible time with Supreme Commander out and World in Conflict coming, because EA games did not listen to the players. But I digress.

(Oh, you may say..but people still buy the games turny, lots of people, more people then you could ever know...but what I do know is quarterly sales figures, and theres a little red down arrow by EA and a green one by Ubisoft)

if a couple of people enter your house, start to insult you, or part of your family, would you think them on the "right side"?

This has in no way anything to do with forum arguments, or online gaming. I fail to see the point at all.

right. even worse, that you, knowing the difference, did outright flame at full power.

You have never seen me flame at full power. You haven't been around to. Ask some of the older staff and players what its like to piss me off.

suggestions from "doctor" korm, on special demand from "chief" returner:
(you hand out a doc, and get back a chief, ok? - just, that i don't owe you)

I didn't racially slur you, don't racially slur me.

1) forum accounts and play accounts not being independent from each other. (i.e. only if you got a player account, may you make a forum account)

This is a given, and actually not a bad idea.

2) after prolongated inactivity, the game account and the forum account(s) will be closed.
(with the possibility, that players beforehand anounce a temporal inactivity, to keep their accounts)

This is too much work! The staff shoulden't have to pick through accounts and give ones who announce inactivity special time. Or what if for some reason they cannot announce inactivity due to connection loss?

3) leaving players, who make one of those (in)famous "i leave, because you are all so bad" threads, are excluded from readmittance.

This solves absolutely nothing.

4) a ban from the game means a ban from the forum as well. - and a ban from the forum means a kick from the game.

This could work if the forum names database is the same as the games, which would probably require a completely overhaul of the serverside design and forum design, which of course means another charwipe and more miserable people. Otherwise, again, too much work.

(the tecnical aid forum should be open to guestwriters then)

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Then thats where the people who are banned for simply not liking the community will gather to "nag" further.

what would help a disclaimer? - or do you want to make me believe, that during "disclaimer-times" there were no children entering the game?

Something is better then nothing.

account system - being the last, or one of the last players, who entered through the former system, i agree with you on this point.

Wow, Korm agrees, I've been smoking too much sibanac

...they haven't done such a good job listening to ANY players of quality ...
whose decision is it, to say, who is a "player of quality"?

A player of quality is someone who the staff listens to that does not hurt the game or personally benefit from kissing the staffs ass and offering bad ideas.

who says, that it is the staffs duty, to listen to players?
(remember, what i wrote about the free ride)

Nobody says that, but if the staff want to expand playerbase and keep playerbase, they should listen, otherwise, people leave, people leaving is a BIG problem in this community.

for everybody, who as kid ever played soccer or another ball game in the street, it should be easy to comprehend the first rule of any game:
allways be polite to the owner of the ball!

What an interesting analogy, but the ball must fly towards the goal at some point, whose there to save it?

your post, that i answered here, shows clearly, that you are intelligent.
knowing that returner is not a retard, makes that huge amount of filthy one-line or one-word posts of your's you put in each and every topic even more offending.

my personal opinion still is, that you are poison for the forum, and thus poison for the game.
i really would be content, if you would be perma-banned.

Your constant flames and animosity towards me have become offensive and derogatory, I'm sick of it and I'm pming the staff over it. This goes too far and I hope someone takes action.

Never have I racially slurred you, or made pathetic racial slurs since returning here after what happened with Misjbar. Never do I directly insult you FIRST, although I admittibly have, I haven't this time or for your past several posts flaming me.

Grow up Korm, I know your older then this.

I do have to agree with Estralis on this. We can't overdo it with such things, and people do play different. Some play with one character mainly and not with others, others play with different characters.

returner,

seeing, that the only thing, that gets clear, is that there are different points of view, i just pick some points of your post for an answer.

while i tried to write as sober, as possible, you had to start being "funny":

So what do you suggest doctor Korm, more over moderation? More favoritism, and even more tactical first strikes to take out troublesome people? Or do you suggest better communication skills? Lets see..

so you had to expect an answer in kind:

suggestions from "doctor" korm, on special demand from "chief" returner:
(you hand out a doc, and get back a chief, ok? - just, that i don't owe you

so you had it coming, yes? you asked for it.
but with your answer:

I didn't racially slur you, don't racially slur me.

you shot wide of the target.
for one, you insulted a lot of doctors, by comparing them to me.
on the other hand, same as i, you got no means to know what exactly the other meant.
when you called me a doctor, did you mean witch-doctor? i can not be sure.
when i called you a chief in retaliation, what did i mean?
a high noble?
a chief clerk?
a chief-judge?
a chief-commander?
a chief-mourner?
a chief-engineer?
a chief-officer?

by the context it should be very clear, that i meant chief of those, who harm illarion, by fighting every intent to make the game and forum run peacefully.

if i had wanted, to racially point you out, shouldn't i have used the correct word "chieftain"?
but even then, "chieftain" is a title of honour, so, if i had used it for you, i might had offended a couple of real chieftains.

oh, by the way, it is not very oportune, to write something like this in a post, you might want to use in court, for sueing somebody:

Wow, Korm agrees, I've been smoking too much sibanac

or did you change your mind?
your threat, to sue the illarion association, i mean.

to the playerbase:

but if the staff want to expand playerbase and keep playerbase, they should listen, otherwise, people leave, people leaving is a BIG problem in this community.

i disagree. the staff should weed out the constant disturbances, like your posts, then they got the chance, to get and hold players, that want to play, instead of destroy the game and forum.

Your constant flames and animosity towards me have become offensive and derogatory, I'm sick of it and I'm pming the staff over it. This goes too far and I hope someone takes action.

Never have I racially slurred you, or made pathetic racial slurs since returning here after what happened with Misjbar. Never do I directly insult you FIRST, although I admittibly have, I haven't this time or for your past several posts flaming me.

1) i ignore, what happend with or to Mjisbar.
2) in this thread you started the insulting game. ("doctor")
3) for the one time, i insulted you, i begged your pardon afterwards. - well, that i did not get it, is something, i can't influence.
4) for a couple of months everything you posted was filthy, disgusting and offensive.

5) what i wrote in the last postings, concerning you, was no flaming, but statements, acompanied by reasons and my opinion.

just to reread:

your post, that i answered here, shows clearly, that you are intelligent.
knowing that returner is not a retard, makes that huge amount of filthy one-line or one-word posts of your's you put in each and every topic even more offending.

my personal opinion still is, that you are poison for the forum, and thus poison for the game.
i really would be content, if you would be perma-banned.

i hope, you allready sent that PM. and i hope, that it will be taken seriously, and i hope, that it will bring an evaluation of both your and my posts of the last year.

(you hand out a doc, and get back a chief, ok? - just, that i don't owe you

so you had it coming, yes? you asked for it.
but with your answer:

I didn't racially slur you, don't racially slur me.

you shot wide of the target.
for one, you insulted a lot of doctors, by comparing them to me.


when i called you a chief in retaliation, what did i mean?
a high noble?
a chief clerk?
a chief-judge?
a chief-commander?
a chief-mourner?
a chief-engineer?
a chief-officer?

by the context it should be very clear, that i meant chief of those, who harm illarion, by fighting every intent to make the game and forum run peacefully.

Thats a negative assumption. Perhaps I was complimenting you, you cannot be sure, by comparing you to a Doctor. You have a history with racially insulting me with "Chief" in the past, trying to save face does not make you appear any better then me.

Chief of those who harm? What have I done to harm? If I want to harm, would I not do something more destructive then argue with a man whose best solutions involve a total lockdown of the community and driving off players with offbase ideas that further enhance the seperation between staff and community?

Would I not be doing something much more destructive then that?

if i had wanted, to racially point you out, shouldn't i have used the correct word "chieftain"?
but even then, "chieftain" is a title of honour, so, if i had used it for you, i might had offended a couple of real chieftains.

The correct word is Chief, whether or not it is short or long form does not matter, rarely, however, do I see "Chieftain" in historical texts.

oh, by the way, it is not very oportune, to write something like this in a post, you might want to use in court, for sueing somebody:

Wow, Korm agrees, I've been smoking too much sibanac

or did you change your mind?
your threat, to sue the illarion association, i mean.

I was making a point. Everyone else got that point except you, since you seem to avoid examples and fly off the handle at everything I say. If I wanted to sue the illarion association, I would, and probably there would be very little chatter on the boards from me from doing so.

i disagree. the staff should weed out the constant disturbances, like your posts, then they got the chance, to get and hold players, that want to play, instead of destroy the game and forum.

My disturbing posts. 80% of which on offtopic. 100% of which you don't have to read.

Your constant flames and animosity towards me have become offensive and derogatory, I'm sick of it and I'm pming the staff over it. This goes too far and I hope someone takes action.

Never have I racially slurred you, or made pathetic racial slurs since returning here after what happened with Misjbar. Never do I directly insult you FIRST, although I admittibly have, I haven't this time or for your past several posts flaming me.

1) i ignore, what happend with or to Mjisbar.
2) in this thread you started the insulting game. ("doctor")
3) for the one time, i insulted you, i begged your pardon afterwards. - well, that i did not get it, is something, i can't influence.

Next time I'll use a really derogatory term instead of overglorification, sorry.

4) for a couple of months everything you posted was filthy, disgusting and offensive.

So why haven't the staff taken action then, yet took action some days ago. For one, I see this erroneus, my postings cannot have been all that bad if I have not been punished for them (and indeed contacted by several people, toned it down, and still suffered the same treatment from you regardless what I have done) I don't care what problem you have with me Korm, but like everyone whose had a problem, my private message box is always open, this is not the place for personal business.

5) what i wrote in the last postings, concerning you, was no flaming, but statements, acompanied by reasons and my opinion.

Does that make it any less insulting?

my personal opinion still is, that you are poison for the forum, and thus poison for the game.
i really would be content, if you would be perma-banned.

This is a direct rule-break, one that I have never made towards you. I have never called you "Poisen" or wished bad fortune upon you.

i hope, you allready sent that PM. and i hope, that it will be taken seriously, and i hope, that it will bring an evaluation of both your and my posts of the last year.

The pm has been sent, and I hope it does.

I won't react any more to you.
you become too timeconsuming.