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Before anyone starts, I know this could turn into a flame war and this is what I don't want it to happen, but sometimes I just have to say something.

Tavern, a few minutes ago, a damm wolfe enters and everyone behaves like it is completly normal to see a wolf who behaves, come on people, just a few days ago we were attacked by wolves and now everyone cheers at them?

There are other things aswell, as I already mentioned and many others too, I don't like how the races behave to each other, its this Orc hugging dwarf thing, that I simply can't stand, sure there may be a few who actually would behave normal to orcs or so, but almost eveyone treats another race like on of their own, why don't you just play all humans then?

Got more but I can't think of it now, hope noone comes up with " This or that player is bad" or "He is a fu**ing noob" just say calmly what you didn't like and why, any disscussions maybe with pm and so on.

Even thought it can probably turn into a flame war, I think such a topic is 'needed' with all the bad RP currently.

Pellandria wrote: Tavern, a few minutes ago, a damm wolfe enters and everyone behaves like it is completly normal to see a wolf who behaves, come on people, just a few days ago we were attacked by wolves and now everyone cheers at them?

excuse me, but there are reasons why my char wasn't afraid and all. Of course I will not say here as it would ruin the rp.

but really...delete this post or it will turn into heavyyy flaming and ruin the fun of much people! Not everyone is perfect in rping.

Sorry but I kindly ask for this post to be locked/deleted

Come on Pellandria

Its a fairytale, in many fantasy stories going different races in a relationship or company each other..
what's your Problem ?
The whole races aren't in a friendship.. and so accept this.

You don't need to play in this manner.

And I agree with Dante .. better lock this thread

Oh gawd, we had this thread already, it's a 100% flame war topic.

My character, Thanrían Diorath, is an elf with extremely high essence, and could feel something 'special' about this wolf.
So 1- Being an elf
2- Feeling something 'mysterious' and 'different' of this WOLF who seems to TAME itself and allow him to NORMALLY cuddle her.
Would make my character not fear her at all.
Please, do not argue about bad roleplay, when you're not sure of the situation.
This thread was made especially to 'flame' at us, if you dislike our roleplay, you may send us a PM and discuss it to us in private, not create a whole thread for it.

I wont post anything else on this thread, and hope it'll get locked soon, just hoping.


Edit: Oh and I wonder why you were not afraid of orcs that come near you? They're 10 times bigger, 10 times more muscled, and a single slap can bring your head off your shoulders.

Kevin Lightdot wrote:Oh gawd, we had this thread already, it's a 100% flame war topic.

Indeed. I chose not to post as I was personally named 5 times. Woo.

Dante I'm not talking to you, its more like the people walking and and just looking at the wolf, accepting him like just another human or elf or something and dante wasn't there as the Wolves attacked anyway.

Azuria, thats the problem the whole races are infact in friendship, noone cares for race differences, most time people behave like normal humans, right some orcs speak like children and so on, but I'm just missing the fact that the races have bad relatinships normally, just let me quote moonsilver here " Since the tribes are quite poor, they tend to raid small villages or farms sometimes, if they don't have enough food for the next winter. Normally, Orcs are not bloodthirsty, but when they fight with other races, their primary war tactics is to cause fear in their enemies. Captives, who are too badly wounded to survive, are sometimes brutally killed after the battle, with the surviving captives witnessing", this should be the main opinion of orcs and not this " let me gave you a hug you little green one" its jsut that the differences between the races are nonexisting and I don't want to be a racist, but I want atleast a bit differenc and not all this " We are living in a happy world" thing.

And as I said before, it just will turn into flame war if you let it, I'm not saying " Ohh bad rpler delete him" nor do I say that I rp very good, its just something in my mind that doesn't fit in the overall situation, so I don't name people anyway, so it stays inpersonal and can't turn into any flamewar.

Edit: And I knew it, always the wrong people jump up and think I mean them, ok for short, I don't mean dante, nor the elf or raviel, I meant the people walking in and doing nothing, just like it would be normal to see a wolf sitting in the tavern, thats all, I have absolutly no Problem with you "taming" her or dante trieing to feed her, I really liked that, but it just pisses me off that the people, who walked in, saw her and then didn't really reacted on her in any way, it was directed to those people, not to you or the wolf, let me quote myself.
"w:Pellandria: (( geez its a fucking wolf and everyone behaveslike its the normalst thing here ))" and with that I meant the people around, you atleast played your role and everything, oh and btw. I would never say that this is bad rp, I like it when something new comes, but I can't let my char react friendly on wolves after she saw what happend to anfala.

I fear that topic will turn into a amazing flame war too, since 90% of the players of Illarion do not accept constructive critisim against their roleplay, because they think they loose their face by doing it.

In fact the racial roleplay in Illarion does not exsist. The most play the "cool special things" of their races. Orks don't speak pretty good, fairies fly around, etc.
But there is absolutly no distance between the races. Everyone likes everyone else. Its worse but i gave to up, trying to change this.

@Thanrian:
You were not sure about the situation too, because the only special thing about this wolf was the number aboth his head. If i come into the taverne with my gm char in the shape of a wolf, will your character feel something "special", "mysterious", "what ever" too? You can't know if a gm plays a special transformed magical wolf, or a compelty normal wolf who does nothing but biting elves.
Keep that in mind.

@all:
in fact i dislike the roleplay that takes place if something of a different race appears too. Everyone thinks that its a nice creature and it won't ever hurt the own character even slightly. So every character is brave and knows no fear and stuff. Thats what i hate.

Nitram

Nitram, had Magnus not told my character she is harmless, and the wolf approach cautiously and everything, then I get a GM message that 'I feel something different upon the touch of the animal', you saw that I didn't approach during the hospital scene before Magnus said it was safe,
So yes, I wasn't sure what to do, but I think I did well for someone who wasn't sure..

MMh .. and when you play this more consequent, ( ignoring Orc's and others, or speak in rude words ) then other PO's feeling insult Nitram...

Or the CRY .. force RP and such

I know what I speak of *grmpf*

What happens when Monster Wolf steps into the taverne?

> Everyone jumps up and attacks the wolf

What happens when a Player Wolf steps into the taverne?

> Everyone looks at the wolf to see what happens


Its still a wolf...

EDIT:

Alytys Lamar wrote:MMh .. and when you play this more consequent, ( ignoring Orc's and others, or speak in rude words ) then other PO's feeling insult Nitram...

insult? About what? That they don't play good and can't take the critisim in the way that they think about and try to do it better next time?
The critisim is meant to help the other one. To make him think about the misstakes and help to avoid them. But critism is only taken as offending... noone can take it and noone learns from it.

No wolf ever made it IN the tavern walking with a known, calm elf by his side. So yeah, I guess that's why they didn't all attack..

Thats not the fact, maybe next time I shall walk in with a zombie or skeleton and say that its allright, because I controll it, maybe everyone would stay calm?
The fact is simply that a wolf is a threat, nothing more nothing less, we just where attacked by a pack of wolves just one or two weeks ago, still people behave around the wolf like it would be a normal person, just because it has a number. Thats simply mixing up Ig and OOC, nothing else.

Obviously the monster wolf would attack them first...this player wolf wouldn't.
And this topic is actually the pits. If you want to constructively criticise someone's rp, go ahead and do it by pm; there is no need to give every man and his dog a chance to stick his oar in; nothing can be gained from doing so.
This thread has obviously been started in the heat of a moment; any clear thinking and logical person would realise this is a bad idea, perhaps in future everyone should think carefully before making posts which could offend people.

Skaalib Drurr wrote:Obviously the monster wolf would attack them first...this player wolf wouldn't.

And you are sure on that point? That can change pretty fast. There are calm Monster wolfes and aggressiv gms.

My point was fairly self-explainatory. A player wolf might attack; it might not, this one obviously didn't so why attack it?
A npc wolf might attack, it might not, if it did, it would be slewn, otherwise, leave it alone. *shrugs*

Skaalib Drurr wrote:A npc wolf might attack, it might not, if it did, it would be slewn, otherwise, leave it alone. *shrugs*

Wrong. Tests showed. Wolfs without numbers are attacked on sight. If they are aggressiv or not, thats completly unimportaint.

I agree partially with your point Pellandria, but you have yet seen only one happening. I've encountered many scenes where the chars were 'afraid'.
And actually I think it would be worse RP if people would *just* draw their weapon and attack, like the wolf would be an NPC.

Also, the wolf was rped as calm and quiet with no single threatening gesture - and as Thanrían said - apparently in the company of an elf.

I agree when you would say that people could be 'more afraid'. I disagree if you say, they should simply attack it.

Skaalib Drurr wrote:Obviously the monster wolf would attack them first...this player wolf wouldn't.

That's the other point. You have no choice to not attack/kill an NPC if the NPC attacks you without hesitation first.

If people roleplay bad about attacking wolves, it doesn't mean we should imitate them, Nitram.
If one read and researched a little about these animals, you'd find out they're inoffensive and pretty timid unless you approaches them too close when they do not want to be (Mother with babies, during mating season, etc..) and if you don't attack them, and make a lot of noise, they probably will run.

And yes Torvald, it wasn't 'apparently' in the company of an elf, I was the elf, and there was a certain roleplay before the wolf trusted my elf, and visa-versa

I didn't like my own RP today.

Cawdor wrote:I didn't like my own RP today.

rofl <3 Dale.

Nitram wrote:Wrong. Tests showed. Wolfs without numbers are attacked on sight. If they are aggressiv or not, thats completly unimportaint.

Well, if that is true, it is bad rp. Still, this thread wont change that, and all it can do is annoy a lot of people.
Again I say, if you don't like someone's rp, surely it is better to send them a pm? Isn't that what is encouraged, instead of starting threads which could be sent as pm's instead?
And saying this general thing of ignoring the wolf can't help, because it is just a general thing, and it doesn't point to anyone specifically.
And indeed, to attack the player wolf with no rp reason other than it is a wolf is pk'ing, but that is not true if it is a non-aggresive npc wolf.