Unsettling the dust of Illarion Predjudice

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Unsettling the dust of Illarion Predjudice

Post by Ku 'Agor »

I'll get straight to it, alot of races in Illarion are neglected. The two most popular seem to be Humans and Elves. However, not so long ago was this different. Orcs also used to be quite popular. In fact there was a time in which you could roam the streets of Trollsbane and see one, mabey even two.

But why is this? Why has this once popular and.. majestic.. race become as rare as a dragon? I'll tell you why. People assume there is only ONE RP approach to an Orc. "ME ORC! ME KILLS ALL CAUSE I ORC! FEAR ORC! OOMIES STUPID!"

Now, don't get me wrong. My orc does act somewhat like this, but not to the extent where all he does is plot against humans. This was him in the past, but no longer. It has occurred to me from my matured roleplay that Orcs aren't supposed to just be bloodthirsty mindless animals who only exist in the sole reason of conquering trollsbane or simply tanking all the guards there.

This orcin decline has gotten so bad I haven't seen an orc (atleast as a main character) since I got back. This is maybe a week without a single sighting of an orc that was probably a new character. This is a problem for Ku's IG RP for a simple reason; As leader of the horde now, He cant make a guild official without four orcs. He currently has two. Surly, getting only four characters into a guild cannot be that difficult, they say. But with a population of only 2, one active, orcs this dream will not be accomplished.

I believe the orcs are all gone because simply it gets boring going through the routine of; "Wake up." "Kill human." "Have a guard slam down on you." "Leave town for week." But why now? This has been going on for forever. I think it's because of the new harsher death penalty. There is simply no reason to play an orc, in the minds of some, if it takes a week of training to achieve one moment of RP that results in the loss of many stats.

Now, after all that said and done the answer to this dilemma should be at the point where it's so obvious that it burns a hole through your skull. But for those not catching on, the answer would be to stop being a tank orc that only attacks everyone without a second thought to repercussions.

So, after all this babbling about Orcs and what I think is wrong and other things you really didn't need to hear, you would think I have some kind of moral or request tied in, no? Well, yes. I request that willing people create an orc account that has a decent ammount of brains. Orcs seem to be influenced with the idea of "Honor over Death." While I wouldn't exactly take that roleplaying theme to court, I do recommend not being completely reckless. No matter how much 'Honor' You believe you have, I doubt anyone would tell a man carrying a gun that he doesn't have the balls to fire it at you.

Ah, all done. I do hope to see more of you guys IG as orcs that are active.

~Ku.
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Post by Hu'greu »

I wouldnt be so fast to say that all orcs do that. I know I havent been on for 2 weeks so the situation may have changed, But I play an orc thats a blacksmith and doesnt kill everything he sees. He only plots revenge on people that attack him. I have also made him repay people back that have helped him in the past as well too. I just think the problem is that a lot of people dont want to talk like an orc. After all I find it kinda of hard changing words around and it takes me a little bit longer to type it out as well.


It is a lot harder to get accepted too, and being a blacksmithing orc that hated dwarfs didnt help out either, but give it time. As soon as the game population grows, I'm sure more orc will come that will do other things than try and kill everyone they see.
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Post by Ku 'Agor »

I'm afraid I completly disagree with you.

Orc talk is just a part of the Roleplay. It become second nature after a while.

And yes, even though some don't RP like I said, many more do. It's 'escusable PKing' to new players, and even older ones.

And with time, all we are going to get is new orcs that rampage the streets and kill for no reason, which is not what I want. This message is to alert players that there is good fun with orcin characters that doesn't involve mass slaughter.
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Post by Grant »

Orcs aren't supposed to be lovable little green creatures. They were made by Moshran as his own personal war toys. I think they should be played as senseless brutes instead of a town guard or a knight. And if there not, it's basically bad roleplay.
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Grant wrote:Orcs aren't supposed to be lovable little green creatures. They were made by Moshran as his own personal war toys. I think they should be played as senseless brutes instead of a town guard or a knight. And if there not, it's basically bad roleplay.
I didn't say a big green fluffy stuffed animal, I said not retarded.

There is a diffrence.
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Post by Grant »

There not retarded at all, and most people don't play them as that way. If they did you wouldn't be posting in the rp board :wink: But they aren't very smart either.
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Grant wrote:There not retarded at all, and most people don't play them as that way. If they did you wouldn't be posting in the rp board :wink: But they aren't very smart either.
I ment retarded as in charging down three guards and salathe. People don't use common sense when they roleplay orcs.
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Post by Jalen Noel »

Why can't they be played more like Klingons? Bloodthirsty, yes... but not without reason or logic.
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Jalen has the big picture. Smart orcs are needed. Logic, Reason, and willingness to accept defeat. All of those are required for a good orc.
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I have been waiting for someone who actually plays an orc that is not just bloodthirsty all the time, i think you are one of the best RP'ed orcs I've ever seen Ku and you are right, they need at least SOME reasoning and logic
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wts orc stuffed animal 10k ok
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Post by Ku 'Agor »

Azuros wrote:I have been waiting for someone who actually plays an orc that is not just bloodthirsty all the time, i think you are one of the best RP'ed orcs I've ever seen Ku and you are right, they need at least SOME reasoning and logic
:) Thanks for that.

It seems this topic work. I've met IG two new orcs in a short span. Wewt.
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Players relate much more effectively to humans and elves, as they are the closest to themselves in habits, mannerisms, ideals, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I think a huge reason why people do not play orcs often is because the new breed of players are uncertain of how to go about an orc. If I were a newer player (around 6 months old, give or take) I would be very uncertain of what should and should not be done about almost every race, aside from elves and humans. The forum is full of a lot of very harsh-sounding people (not that they are necessarily trying to be) and it results in a lot of tension for newer players, which in turn harms the confidence of players who want to try out their own ideas as well.
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Post by Garett Gwenour »

Orcs in my opinion should be similar to Native American Indians. Brutal warriors in that they would scalp and drink the blood of their enemies but also not idiots. When insulted and dishonored they would fight to the end in a brutal kill all war;however when treated fairly they should act just as kind.
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Post by Athian »

wow, involuntary racist comments are always the best. thats what we call a sterotype ya know.

the real reason no ones playing orc is the same reason there isn't much roleplay outside of trollsbane. where are the orc's supposed to go? and how are they supposed to trade, where can they go when they're 'kicked out of town.' and where can they go to meet there own kind.

trollsbane is the forefront of life as always, has twice as much as anywhere else. no other place will ever have buildings that remotly match it's size. every other city will always be the lesser of trollsbane, but for orc's they dont have anything at all really, i suggest making it a bit more appealing to play an orc, i don't think it would take a horribly large amount of time.
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Not entirely true. Silberbrand has all the facilities a dwarf would need for his life yet there are.. currently about 6 or 7 active dwarves, and 3 of them just arrived.
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Post by Garett Gwenour »

That is simply giving up Athian. Trolls Bane is active because everyone is unwilling to keep their characters in Varshikar, TOl Vanima, Silverbrand and so on; some have roleplay reasons, others are simply unwilling to do it. Trolls Bane is smaller then Tol Vanima, Trolls Bane has less player houses then Greenbriar and Varshikar.
No incentives are needed. It comes down to players being willing to have complex player made roleplaying plots involved with towns. Understandably it is difficult to come up with such a plot, I mean, when was the last time there was anything exciting going on ingame that didn't involve a quest? It comes down to players using their imagination and playing this game, not developers giving advantages to races or towns.
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Post by Athian »

yea but i fairly sure the orc's don't even have a cave anymore. i've been up that way a dozen times. seems like there homeless. you should look yourself in case i'm wrong.

p.s.

it's not about advantages it's about oppurtunity, the place where there are the most people will be the place where in the game is ecomonically best. where in people may suit the most of there non roleplaying or pusedo roleplaying needs. (i.e, buying armor to fighting in, buying tools, where one can sell the most of there wears) this is the place where people will centralize around.
due to the fact that people centralize around these places, means thats there's far more oppurtunity for roleplay to become involved, as this is where you will find people. saying stupid things about player houses and what not is useless,

and saying Vanima is a bigger island means nothing, Vanime takes up just the center of it's isle and has one trader,

Varshikar has one trader, and two player houses, one building that doubles as our library (which is empty), academy and house, and a soon to be (and rediclous idea i think) four family 'apartment house'.

and to the orc's nothing currently.
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Post by Ku 'Agor »

Which is exactly my reasoning of this post.

Orcs usually are banned for attacking for simple reasons, such as blocking the door.

When kicked out of town, orcs quit if they are out of the 'life' for too long.

That's the entire purpose of this post. Chill out, stop getting banned, think over situations like your character would, and I garuntee you there will be alot more orcs.

Edit: The cave exists. Look harder.
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Post by Garett Gwenour »

The orcs still have a cave actually athian, I was in it the other day. Has a jail, a war room, a depot, smithy, fishing pond, glass melting oven and pork cooking oven. They are adequately supplied actually.
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Post by Athian »

must have been moved a bit then.

@Ku- I don't personally think of orc's as dumb or anything like that but there is some sterotype to there race in the ig sense. people will always see an orc and be wary, and if an orc and a human get into a fight , orc will take most the blame. kinda just how it goes, seen it happen a millions times (almost literal too).

as to playing an orc, it takes alot of guts to play a character that people are going to have an instant bias toward, just starting one makes your day difficult. they tend to be liked mainly by older players, but i haven't seen many that were long kept, it was the same for lizards to but thats beginning to change a bit, so may for orc's too.
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It's changing, and I will be sure to lead this.

Orcs have earned this little bias because they do the idiotic, and no one enjoys roleplaying with them besides the point of training their character.
When I returned, many did not know Ku's name. I was treated like another human walking the streets of trollsbane. Much diffrent then what I 'grew up' with.
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Post by Athian »

ive sat roof side and watched you smash things and chase fairies, and you get into plenty of fights with Grant, so don't go playing 'i'm a good orc' on me :wink: and i'm sure you got banned plenty too, but the character is entertaining.

but treated like a regular human being sounds a bit to on the oppsoing extreme to me, if your going to be an orc you have to be an orc and smash S#$! and pillage and stuff, but maybe a little stratagy and tact would help that situation. good luck raising your orc brothers and sisters. :P
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Fairys must die. :twisted:

I never said Ku was a good orc, I said he wasn't a reckless one. One that would go into the skeleton rooms again, per say. One that would attack stephen for no reason. One that would attack someone for standing in the doorway.

And he does get treated normally. I see no diffrence between treatment between the average joe on the street and Ku.
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i suppose, i'll have to pay ingame for that, but:

Garrett,

apart from your not existing knowledge about american indians, i think, that you are not very keen.

you and your friends make trollsbane a not agrading place.

more and more new and old players let their chars take homes away from trollsbane.

if you think, all come to trolls bane because you give it a paris like flair you are simply wrong.

players go there for things they need. where else could my char read a book? where else could my char kill pigs? where else could my char buy that much things in one place? and, last not least, where else could i fly, when i'm clouded? (yes, i heard, there are two or three crosses somewhere else... but in dangerous surroundings, not suited to weak characters)
so, what atracts chars, is what the devs put in trollsbane, not how you run it.

please stop telling everybody how fine "your" trollsbane is.

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Garett Gwenour wrote:That is simply giving up Athian. Trolls Bane is active because everyone is unwilling to keep their characters in Varshikar, TOl Vanima, Silverbrand and so on; some have roleplay reasons, others are simply unwilling to do it. Trolls Bane is smaller then Tol Vanima, Trolls Bane has less player houses then Greenbriar and Varshikar.
No incentives are needed. It comes down to players being willing to have complex player made roleplaying plots involved with towns. Understandably it is difficult to come up with such a plot, I mean, when was the last time there was anything exciting going on ingame that didn't involve a quest? It comes down to players using their imagination and playing this game, not developers giving advantages to races or towns.

Fuckwad tell me where I wrote that trolls bane was mine, much less a paris?
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Post by Hu'greu »

This is all good and fine for the orc to be fighters but after that, there is no room for an orc. I mean yall say I should be bloodthirsty with mine, which im am, hes always up to see a good fight and stuff, but my character is a blacksmith. Hes not skilled in fighting. Also Orcs dont have to worship Moshran, They also worship Malachin or thats what it says on moonsliver or whatever, It say that Malachin has a high sense of honor which is how I play my character. Of course hes never going to really trust humans, elfs, and dwarfs.

I also read that most orc tribes live in poor tribes, but that is the history of the game and the way I see it , if an aspiring orc wants to he can build his tribe a mighty cave and whatever. Im going to keep all the nasty habits that orc should have though as eatting loudly, being very blunt, Loving to see a good fight even getting into one himself.

But even the dumbest of animals in the world today know what they can and cannot fight, So im not going to play my orc as one that will go up to a dwarf and start talking a lot of crap to him, because he knows hes not a fighter, I might even make him start to manuplate people to get them to do stuff for him.

nobody want to play a character that only wants to fight whats the fun in that. I dont see any reason why orc shouldn't be able to do complex stuff in the game, I mean if he cant do anything beside kill people why have them as a playable race.

For the whole orcs in trolls bane thats never going to change unless there are other places players can go to learn the basic skills of the character, or they start making new players spawn in their race town. Thats a whole another post to share my ideas on that though.
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Post by Korm Kormsen »

Garret,
Fuckwad ...

i could not find that word in a dicionary. so i won't comment on it. so sorry...
... much less a paris?
yes, i must admit, to have used that expressoin just to stress my point.
i am sure, you would never have used such an expression. i apologize for that.
... where I wrote that trolls bane was mine, ...?
you did not? then i must have mixed you up with a certain Mr. Rothman. i beg your pardon.

greetings,korm
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There is a difference between the player and the character.
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