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Delakaniam wrote:

1. Skill gain
2. Item gain
3. Money gain
4. Skill gain for item gain
5. Item gain for money gain
6. Money gain for item gain
7. Money gain for skill gain

And similar other reasons that really don't have much other variety.

The words above lists things that a player thinks powergaming can also be gaining money, but if I create a character that likes money, and wants to have loads of it ,am I a powergamer? Or if my character wants to become the greatest swordman alive and spends all his time to train , am I a powergamer?

So it is against the rules to have a character that strives to acheive power?

I thought this was supposed to be a realistic game and there are people that act in such a way!

See, I'd deem powergaming as sitting there, doing nothing but gaining skill/items/money while not actually roleplaying. That's the meaning I get from De'am's post.

So if a roleplay that my character likes to gain skill or likes to gain money, it is alright?

my character likes to gain skill

I don't really see how you could roleplay this. Would it be something like this:

"Yeah, I'll come to the tavern in a while, Lurien, I'm just here gaining skill for the time being because I like seeing that blue turn a darker shade."

Powergaming is powergaming. It's quite difficult to actually perpetrate this "crime" these days, due to the skill cap. However, if we do see you just sitting there, developing a skill without the slightest ounce of roleplay involved, you're likely to find yourself absent from the game for a few days.

Japheth wrote:

my character likes to gain skill

I don't really see how you could roleplay this. Would it be something like this:

"Yeah, I'll come to the tavern in a while, Lurien, I'm just here gaining skill for the time being because I like seeing that blue turn a darker shade."

You can roleplay it like this:

"My parents were killed when i was eight by orc's and now i live only to avenge them, but for now i am to weak and i have never held a sword, I must take my fathers sword and start training to avenge my parents"

Now, i ask again, is that roleplay or powergaming?

That's roleplaying. Extremely clichéd roleplaying, but roleplaying nonetheless.

Japheth wrote:That's roleplaying. Extremely clichéd roleplaying, but roleplaying nonetheless.

I agree, but it was the first thing that came to my mind

Example:

You fight 3 hours with no pause (will not work anyway because of the anti pg messages). - Wrong

You gain a great amount of skills with well played training, with pauses, smalltalk, a lot of #me usw. - Right

Gaining skills is not powergaming until it becomes unrealistic.

My father was killed by orc’s now I have his sword and must avenge him,
Firstly wrong island your fathers killer is highly un-lightly to be here
If your father was here how long was X father played for? Meta gaming via msn to make plots that are meant to matter to all of us generally blow.


So even if we ignore the above and pretend that actually works for a RP scenario then the actual nature of power gaming is such.
A battle occurs and we are most of us limping bleeding and some have been sent to the cross.
Power gamer asks…who wants to train? When just moments ago he was wounded
Power gamers also tend to miraculously recover from fatal wounds when new monsters or GM quests present themselves.
Next example lets go the tavern that duel tired me, oddly enough exactly 1hr and 45 minutes or what ever time the player thinks it takes for there skill cap to wear off. They down there beer look you in the eye and say SO WANT TO TRAIN?

Are we begging to see the picture here, I hate the term power gamer it causes all of us to grab a soap box and look down on each other. So I can’t tell you exactly what a pger is we all have different amount of time and energy to spend in game. PGer in my eyes is any one more concerned with skills than the rp occurring around them.
Errian summed it up best actually
Brian

Pendar wrote:1hr and 45 minutes
Brian

Way off its 2 hours 30 minutes give or take a few seconds.

It actually depends on your Dexterity Jacob

Nuh uh its your intellectualism, the gms watch us rp and then give us that stat. In that way they can make sure there favorites are always more skilled....

In that case, Pendar, it's no wonder you're not very skilled.

ZING !!!

Just joking around, Captain .

To me, after many long quarter hours of staring blankly into the wood of my desk and mentally dwelling on this subject, powergaming is the description of an imbalance between concern for skills and concern for the actual roleplay of the game.

Face it. We've all got to sit there and pound/hack/churn skills at some point to some degree. As far as it goes, it's not impossible to play a char in Illarion who essentially has no skills whatsoever, but I find that this in itself is almost a sort of limit. Face it. Your character has to be good at SOMETHING.

Therefore, repeatedly churning at skills, sometimes for slightly more extended periods of time, is not altogether something to completely abhorr. What makes it powergaming is when this pounding at skills begins to go for too long an extended period of time, and begins to overrule your roleplay concerns. You should be skill gaining to further your roleplay. You should not be wandering off to the forests and mountains to become some sort of morally confused hermit who returns to society only after having completed a goal of being The People's Supah Smith of Gobaith.

So skill away all you want. The only thing is that they'll just be watching for how well you balance it against the main reason why you'd play Illarion instead of other online MMORPGs (which, as a hint, all lack that minute "R" detail ) . It's like writing formal scholarly papers: Nobody cares what you're talking about as long as you are backing it up professionally and with expertise.

Pendar wrote:Nuh uh its your intellectualism, the gms watch us rp and then give us that stat. In that way they can make sure there favorites are always more skilled....

That's not nice ... not nice at all

Hmm have I ever played a character with high skills? :S

Devrah Liioness wrote:Hmm have I ever played a character with high skills? :S

De'am has the highest skills out of any of my characters.

She can:

• Say stuff in Elvish
• Stay stuff in Common
• Poke you with a staff (careful, it might tickle)
• Drink
• Eat cherries

Huzzah !!!

Just try to be reasonable and you should be just fine. If you are pretty sure youre overskillbuilding, then you probably are. In my case, Im on a lot when there arent very many others on. So there is a much smaller chance for RP. Which means that I will go work on skills, go back to town every now and then to check if anything is going on and then go back to work. If there's nothing else to do then I see no reason not to work on gaining money or skills. But if there is good RP going on then try to take part. Or even better try to start your own RP with someone.

Delakaniam wrote: De'am has the highest skills out of any of my characters.

She can:

• Say stuff in Elvish
• Stay stuff in Common
• Poke you with a staff (careful, it might tickle)
• Drink
• Eat cherries

Powergamer


Oh, snap

Hmmm... so what IS a good reason to gain skill, while staying in character? Obviously skills are something to try and achieve in order to be useful to people. So, if my character wants to be useful in being a soldier, it is illegal to simply state that he is training to be a soldier?
There must be a special reason to train my character?

Anyone can give a few samples of a good usable reason to train skill, please?

Welcome to Illarion, Axel, although I'm sure you need no welcome.

Anyone can give a few samples of a good usable reason to train skill, please?

So, if my character wants to be useful in being a soldier, it is illegal to simply state that he is training to be a soldier

I wouldn't say it's illegal, however, if you do not roleplay the side-effects of being a solider training the whole time, ie, being tired, becoming injured and so forth, then that is illegal. O.K?

N.k

I have an admission...

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I powergamed Foosers dancing skillz. Forgive me, Im sorry

Fooser wrote:I have an admission...

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I powergamed Foosers dancing skillz. Forgive me, Im sorry

I've got to say, Emperor Fooser, I have danced and rejoiced with you and *I* feel you don't need to apologize at all. It's hawt. *hugs* Rawr!

If you're a guy, you would be gay , har har

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*slap*
Gay jokes are NOT funny!

i'm solly mcdonald har har har

lol donal got pwnd!
but arg i agree with him again most gay jokes arent funny. my cousin is gay but that doesent mean i despise him and call him wierd names.

*goes to raid the burger stand*

Dudes, I agree, i'm not a homofob, not that i'm a homo...

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