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Hello. been reading the forums and yet this is the first post I really have to and want to show.


A quiet afternoon in Trollbane shop standing beside the depot making some handles.

Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): hmm..?
((This orc walked in, and intending to take the stuff under me , cause have to drop on ground as i was overweight))

~~ME~~: You failed making that item.
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX) (s): who you

(( Seeing that this petty thief making an attempt to steal, why would and should i bother answering ))
~~ME~~: a victim to a thievery, i might say.

Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): me will kill you
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): now what is your name
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): what is your name
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): od ie
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): die*
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): ..........

((This orc went on rattling at me from the other end.


((Log off for fear that I get power abused and maybe get killed)) *shaking in fear.
((Went to the web login and this is who he was. > ))

Overview (State: 2005/06/10 11:11:23 am)There is only one player online. Her/His name is:

Gruta



So this is what Illarion , a game I hold so highly in terms of people relations.
People like this ruins the world and spoilt my afternoon.

See deem fit.

hey..he is an orc..what for an behavior do you expect? and logg out for fear is not the best way.....

Well excuse me but I don't see anything wrong here. The orc is a thief or whatever... a villian one might say and you were is victim. That is what Illarion is about. Roleplaying. Not anyone is nice and loving and cute ... bad giys are also wanted to add some spice.

Shit happens. *shrugs*

EDIT: Oh please delete some diggits from the orcs number.

I am not able to debate here with you about the acting of the your and the other char.... Because i was not there and i do not really understand what happened.

But an other point:

You wrote the same in the RPG-Board. Please, change it! Do not copy your logfiles in your posts on the RPG-Board. Write a summary with your own words in the view of your char. And please delete parts of the ID-number, of the other char, you wrote there.

Thank you

Admin can ban me or delete the post/number or any.
as I said ' see deem fit '.

My intention was just to let people see what 'their' friends or 'what' they are like.

Remembers a saying;
" Birds of the same flock flies in the same direction "


Flame me all you like. Never again shall I bother to post.
Farewell.

So basically what happened was you were a victem of role play crime, and now your whining about it and you've stop playing the game. Well all I can say is good, if you refuse to play the game because life is tough, I dread to think about how you will cope in the real world.

Mod? Hey, that's me!

Well, I can see nothing wrong here either. The orc char threatened your char, that's life. It is a roleplaying game, if someone plays a rude char, well, his decision. The player wanted to interact with you, a good approach in a roleplaying game, especially when there are few chars online. He did not disregard your char, he played with you. We have a certain set of rules, if you want to accuse anyone of breaking those rules send an email to violations@illarion.org, but do not discuss this on the boards, please.

And who flamed you? The other posters just stated their opinion and reminded you that you must not post log data into the RP-board.

i just want to say thanks to all the people on this post. Its the first time i have ever been stode up for and i just want to say thanks. Every other time its putting me down

Can somone please lock it? I have the bad feeling it will end in a flame war otherwise...

what do you mean lock it.

@TM: Illarion is not SimCity. Even if your character is a peaceful crafter, it's expected that the crafter is a victim to a thief or robber should one of those come around. I've been complaining lately about this exactly; namely that people go onto the boards and complain about other people's RP because they personally didn't like it.

@anybody else it concerns: Lose this bad habit.

@Reidan: If that log is complete, your RP does not look too glorious either; I'd recommend using more #me's to give the player more time to react and indicate that you're roleplaying the theft.
Like:
#me leers at the man and licks his lips
or
#me eyes the man's items wildly, almost greedily
Things like that, will help other players react better to your roleplaying.

Sorry wasnt going to post actually, but seems i have no other choice but to ask a question to the 'community'

This is called Roleplay?
2 hrs after the first incident, the moment i enters the realm

Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): ahh yes no ware was i before you disapeared
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): hmmm
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): thats right
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): what is yur name
xxxxxx: You failed making that item.
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): stupid oomie
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): i want your name
Someone (XXXXXXXXXX): or i will kill you

Overview (State: 2005/06/10 01:42:22 pm)There is only one player online. Her/His name is:

Grutar


Not that I have no experience in governing game community at all,

The above is
1. Acts of Harrassment. Stalking other players into inconvenience
2. Abusive intentions. You can play evil, but doesnt give you the right to call people names and example 'stupid'.


For those that call the above roleplaying.

Then evil people have the rights to going around calling dwarfs, name such as fat, ugly, drunken, snores and grunt like a pig since that is the typical behaviour of a dwarf under
Durin's theory,
'' that Orcs are all brutal, rude and robbers and what could we expect from them ''
so I assume that dwarfs are all the above descriptions without any intros.

In this case, I assumed many would want to be 'evil' cause they can stalk players, threaten when in sight, call them names and even call you 'stupid'

Well, nothing more to say, can call me a nutcase, ban me or whatever.
True words are always cruel to the ears toward the Birds of the same flock.


By the way, I was gm too in a few mmorpg games. and I am old enough to be many's father, so those who want to assume that I cant cope in life, keep it in your pockets.


To those who feel my words are too harsh, I apologise.

Hello.

Grutar didn't call you, the player, stupid.

Grutar called your character stupid.

He might not have played his villain character tactfully, but I assume this was the effect he was going for.

Blunt and rude. From what I have seen of Grutar, this summaries his character perfectly.

Edit: If he were to abuse you with OOC, then you have a right to complain. If he PKed you without a #me, or valid roleplay reason, then you can complain.

Also, in future, please PM a complaint or use the e-mail violations@illarion.org

Might I also suggest that you remove the character numbers. These give away both the name and identity of the character, runing any chance for his character to go un noticed or uncaptured.

Estralis Seborian wrote: We have a certain set of rules, if you want to accuse anyone of breaking those rules send an email to violations@illarion.org, but do not discuss this on the boards, please.

In my opinion, it is a bad habit to discuss such things on the boards.
There was described the right way for cases like this.

Mr TM, you’ve peeked my interest so I have unhooked my phone for a moment and intend to answer your post.

You are the orc IMO are both in bad areas to argue im afraid. You yourself acted irresponsibly by logging out of the game. An act frowned upon by all, you could have easily have played your character to flee etc, or respond in some other manner.
And being of the elder age as you say you are you should realise by creating this thread you are either looking for group sympathy for yourself, or to incite group anger against the said orc. You could have spoken to the player of the orc privately if you had a disagreement.
And as to the PO the orc. Yes you have the right to roleplay as you did. But to threaten to slay someone over their name is going a tad to far. I myself play many a character whom is loathed by many, and you will find that if you think out more imaginative ways to be threatening you and your victim shall enjoy it far more.

* picks up his phone once more *

Greetings GM.

Since thats the case, I could only conclude that,
' Evil indeed Rules '
They do what they want, they say what they could.
Just like previous other game, abusing the 'RPG' term, they act as they like, simply because they claims they are roleplaying.
So I rest my case, which I already did much earlier, until the stalker came onto me again after 3 hrs.
Guess no one could be blame now for not being polite, friendly, stop to say hello, make conversations as it was listed on the main page, as
'' I claimed , I am evil, I am rude and I am not going to talk to you. give me money, tell me name, OR I kill you. Threatening in roleplaying. ''

Sorry to talk up the reader's time.
Ignore me.

Farewell.
Disappointed but thats how lifes go.
The bad guys always have good lawyers.

Mr TM what would you do IRL if hunted down by of these Villains. You would inform the Authorities, there is a guard in trollsbane, and they are stronger than any villain this game has to offer. Solve this matter IG. Be it through the guard, or through means which you make yourself.

You have enountered one villain whom you disagree with. Broaden your mind.

_TM_ wrote:Not that I have no experience in governing game community at all,

The above is
1. Acts of Harrassment. Stalking other players into inconvenience
2. Abusive intentions. You can play evil, but doesnt give you the right to call people names and example 'stupid'.

When will people only accept that bad folks in the game have to live too.
Jokes aside, you must seperate between your character and yourself.
Some of the insults my character has taken, if I had taken them as a person, I would go nuts. But as they're from character to character, I find them rather amusing. Given, "stupid" is not overly interesting or amusing, but it's still from character to character. If he'd have told you this in an ((OOC)), things would look differently... and then, as well, there's that email adress that has been posted a few times on this thread.

_TM_ wrote:For those that call the above roleplaying.

Then evil people have the rights to going around calling dwarfs, name such as fat, ugly, drunken, snores and grunt like a pig since that is the typical behaviour of a dwarf under

I imagine it being hard to pass a law in the game world that will prevent one character from insulting another. That's bordering upon divine intervention, like in real life. I don't know what games you've GMed for, but if the insults were from character to character, I don't see the problem, still. On a sidenote, I've GMed in UltimaOnline myself.
Orcs and dwarves disliking or even insulting eachother, a rather common thing in Illarion's world, now, is that good roleplay if they'd suddenly quit doing such?

_TM_ wrote:'' that Orcs are all brutal, rude and robbers and what could we expect from them ''
so I assume that dwarfs are all the above descriptions without any intros.

This is incorrect. What you're posting as "Durin's Theory" is in actuality false.
Refer to more information on Illarion's races on www.moonsilver.de .
The races may not be unique in names, but they do vary from popular fantasy RPGs and fiction to a certain degree.

_TM_ wrote:In this case, I assumed many would want to be 'evil' cause they can stalk players, threaten when in sight, call them names and even call you 'stupid'

The reality behind Illarion looks quite differently; in fact many people seem to feel rather discouraged from playing "evil" characters, because the number of wannabe-heroes and glory-seekers tends to outnumber them. And also tend to be more well-organized than the wicked ones.

its called an empty threat. orcs will make sure thay get what they want. its what orcs do. About the name of my orc being on the boards its fine with me it been up there so many times ive lost interest in trying to stay hidden.

You need to differentiate between yourself and your character. You can roleplay being offended by the orc's action. You yourself, should not be. If it broke any rules, then you might be--but he DID NOT break any rules.

He is not a "bad guy," he is simply roleplaying his character. You should have reciprocated. Instead, you logged off, without so much as a "goodbye."

Neither of your roleplay was exactly spectacular. Grutar, in future, use more #me's. TM, in future, maybe..I don't know..roleplay back.

The bad guys always have good lawyers.

I will defend any player against such public, unfounded accusations. I would do the same for you. I saw the second event, and Grutar simply wished to roleplay his villain with you. As I said before, he wasn't very tactful, but for a beginner, he's getting there.

Your purport to be a GM from some other game. Perhaps you should behave properly in future, without logging out, without making a public post belittling Grutar.


@Estralis, if you would be so kind, delete the numbers from TM's posts and lock this topic before it degenerates further.

Roleplay Biach gimme lolly

* begins to degenerates *

<smacks Arist around with a slimy old fish>

<degenerates too>

Thanks Aristeaus for kind advice and those who deem fit,

Sorry if I caused any troubles, but at least I got the answer I seek.

>Roleplaying< and >Rules of the game< is not the same thing.

To the Orc, want to kill me, by all means, I have to log out not that I am in fear, its because you are home enjoying, and I am work. no time too entertain a thief.

Well since in my senerio, i am and have been a crafter, its time for me to start to learn how to kill, i guess.

Again sorry to those who felt I was a prick.
nothing else to say to this community.

I don't feel you're a prick, I just feel you're new to Illarion.

Some advice too:
a) As Arist said, there are in-game authorities like the Town Guard; although I'm afraid the glorious captain of the Guard and his lackeys (one of them being a character of my own) is never around at this time of day (sorry, I'm working now myself, but from home, leaves me only time to post on the forums).
b) I'd recommend against making a peaceful crafter a fighter, but if you think that's part of the roleplaying, logical consequence, and your character's reaction to the hostilities encounterd in Troll's Bane, I can't object. Just food for thought though, I don't think Grutar the orcish thug-thief plans on becoming a smith anytime.
c) It's not about yourself alone. It's a multiplayer roleplaying game. If you don't feel like entertaining anybody but yourself, this might be the wrong game for you.
d) This game doesn't have enough players actively playing it simultaneously as it is, I'd be happy to see both of you fellows stick around

As usual, no offense meant, just my two cents on what I've read (no wonder I'm so poor.)

Cheers,
Eric

I don't see why your character should start becoming a fighter I have several chracters who aren't like fighting much and just don't do it. Sure they get in trouble easily because they can't defend themselves. Makes roleplaying even more enjoyable then being able to beat everyone and everything up.

@ Moirear: You can't be that poor you "only" spend 32,82 € on posts when you always gave two cents away

Let's round up to €35 Josi, that's still alot of money for my measly standards.

When someone says "A penny for your thoughts" and you put in your two-cents' worth, where does the other penny go?

Damn government, I bet.

_TM_ wrote:Dont talk and assume if you dont know anything.
Give me an address. arrange a date and location and we'll see who can cope better in life.
Childish.

Wooo threating, I'm so scared, seriously, do you think I'd give my smiling address to probally a fat middle aged man who likes teenage girls, or hell even let you get near me.

Stupid freak.

Japheth wrote:@Estralis, if you would be so kind, delete the numbers from TM's posts and lock this topic before it degenerates further.

At your service.