Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:20 pm
Pell, please write your messages in a more respectful way for once will you?
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Suggestion:Amadi Yusuf Randal wrote:Everybody loves the idea of unconcious people.
But its technical not possible at the moment. Sad but true.
I agree with "Pellandria" its crap to ban a char. We want more chars IG, not less!
That nobody fears to become clouded seems to be true.
But I d prefer other possibilities than banning chars. Which possibilities?
I really dont know..
A really good idea!Amadi Yusuf Randal wrote:
... "prison island"....
True, but I think it would be possible to give the bann option I suggested to only players, and not NPCs. I think it would also be possible to limit the ammount of "banns" you can perform a month (for example) But then again, this would not be possible til we get a two step death procedure... Any idea when this will be possible, and if not, any other ideas?Retlak wrote:There will always be the problem of people getting unfair clouding, by lag or disconnection or other things, fixed system punishments just won't do the job.
Regarding unfair clowdings:Retlak wrote:There will always be the problem of people getting unfair clouding, by lag or disconnection or other things, fixed system punishments just won't do the job.
What would the rp reason be? And if it would still be possible to duel inside towns, this would get abused for unlimited skilling. If it was not possible people would go outside towns to level, and we would still have the accidental duel deaths problem:/ And how about deaths because of lags, while fighting npcs?Rosendil wrote: Regarding unfair clowdings:
My suggestion was: No PvP in towns, or maybe better: disable PK in towns.
This would leads to save towns and dangerous areas around the towns.
The RP reason for save towns is: there are a lot of guards around, who protect the inhabitants.Daelyn wrote: What would the rp reason be? And if it would still be possible to duel inside towns, this would get abused for unlimited skilling. If it was not possible people would go outside towns to level, and we would still have the accidental duel deaths problem:/ And how about deaths because of lags, while fighting npcs?
But that would almost be forced rp? Even though there are many guards around it would be possible[/] to attack someone, and one might do so if one f.eks. gets very angry.Rosendil wrote: The RP reason for save towns is: there are a lot of guards around, who protect the inhabitants.
Duelling and skilling is possible in the current system also and is limited by the skill cap. I don't see a problem there.
Lags: Just be more careful! The RP reason for beeing clowded caused by a lag might be a lucky punch of your opponent. I don't see a problem here too.
Daelyn wrote:But that would almost be forced rp? Even though there are many guards around it would be possible[/] to attack someone, and one might do so if one f.eks. gets very angry.Rosendil wrote: The RP reason for save towns is: there are a lot of guards around, who protect the inhabitants.
Daelyn wrote:Rosendil wrote: Lags: Just be more careful! The RP reason for beeing clowded caused by a lag might be a lucky punch of your opponent. I don't see a problem here too.
Lucky punches should be rped by the players, not be a result of technical problems. Presice, they are already included in the fighting system. Perhaps it could be defendable if lag happened more rarely, but right now these deaths happen way too often for them to just be "lucky" hits.
The problem here is, atleast what I can gather, "bad" players try to simply avoid the prison, not getting their chars caught is, in my eyes, a certaint abusing, if anyone gets clouded, than he or she has to live with the lose of Items, skills and the rp'ing of certaint wounds afterwards, but if chars, powerfull trougth their equipment and Stats/Skills, decide to avoid any of the consequenzes, e.g. getting jailed or atleast cornered, then its more than ~annoying~ that you yet get another "I'm hooded" messages.nmaguire wrote: Perhaps they are fine with the "logical consequences" but nobody catches them, so I don't see why they should face consequences for evading the authorities, unless they get caught.
Again you seem to missread my postordidn't udnerstand it, yes a prsions sentence sucks, but this is the only way, atleast in my opinion, to punish a char or would you rather like to be stripped of your possesions?Daelyn wrote: A prisson sentence is an ooc punishment too! Youve gotta see that, not that I dont think its necessary. Also, the reason why your char is excluded from the game for a week, is irrellevant to how big a punishment you actually think a week without the game is. First you say its horrible, then you claim its nothing. Make up your mind.
This is exactly wrong, Pellandria is quiete the opposit of me, a figure which could more be hated than be loved, so before you break down my intentions to play my Chars, you might but some investigation in it.Daelyn wrote: ... No you cant. You play your char like it was yourself, in a world where you never were punished by your actions, and you were immortal.
I never said you will do it, maybe you should not take everything personal I say here, normally I'm pointing at the "community" as one and there are, without a doubt, people who would use this ~killban~ system to influence other peoples rp.Daelyn wrote: I really dont get your point here.. perhaps you should clarify? You believe my intentions with this is that I would like to bann the highest possible number of chars? Well, I can asure you it isnt. The char you refer to is probably Aeridor, whom Pellandria has only met on very few occasions, or Aerandi, neither of which have said anything wrong about the universe of Illarion, to Pellandria. It is clear that by saying I do not know much, you are refering to differences between our chars, on ig matters. Once again you prove how you let your char's feelings on other chars shine through in an OOC discussion.
I don't see "playing wounded chars" as a punishment, but as an increase of rp depth in the game, I probably played a char more often wounded, than you got your chars caught and I might quote my and yourself once again, while you said"...getting ghosted is a punishment for the char..."Daelyn wrote: It is funny how you say that the punishment of the char is the skills lost, and not that the char gets seriously wounded (or imprisoned), like a true rper would say. The skills lost is the punishment to the player.
The consequenz of breaking the law in RL is death/prisonDaelyn wrote: You admit to play a bitchy char pellandria.
The consequenses of annoying the wrong people in RL is death.
As I allready said this..several times, I have no, ~absolutly~ no complains about a fair and square fight, if you want an technical fight, fine then play fair and give me the reactiontime to either writte something, you know english is not my mother tongue, means it takes longer for me to writte #me's or say something, or let us play an rp fight, which will be even more funny and much better than any technical fight ever will be.Daelyn wrote: The "logical consequence" of Pellandria's behvaiour is death. Yet you keep complaining when someone kills her. Are you any more willing to carry the logical consequenses than those your accuse?
I have only one simple question to ask here: Why can't the guards rp that they catch the hooded figure just to look who hides under the hood because they are seeking some criminal and anyone hooded might logically look suspicious for them?Pellandria wrote:The problem here is, atleast what I can gather, "bad" players try to simply avoid the prison, not getting their chars caught is, in my eyes, a certaint abusing, if anyone gets clouded, than he or she has to live with the lose of Items, skills and the rp'ing of certaint wounds afterwards, but if chars, powerfull trougth their equipment and Stats/Skills, decide to avoid any of the consequenzes, e.g. getting jailed or atleast cornered, then its more than ~annoying~ that you yet get another "I'm hooded" messages.
In one way I understand this rp, the towns hold not only people, whocould be "victims to come" but also are the main place to findsomeonetoo rp, sadly most guards have some kind of ~forced rp~ to take, they are not only forced to avoid your chars alone, as most simply don't stand a chance and even if they could stand a chance the "hooding" of char is a common tactic to simply avoid any responsebility on the player and char side.
Just see it like that, a good char has to follow the rules of rp, when it comes to react on criminals in disguise, they "can't" identify a hooded char and even if meeting one alone this char will most likely run or stike down your char, all whats left for guards is to either hunt criminalsdown in masses or find someone, who changed sides and can pinpoint the location of the criminal chars, but even then trougth lags, skill fight and so on the "bad" chars willmost likely find loopholein the defense/attack and flee, which results in the currentsituation: The bad chars are free to roam any city and any land, without fearing any consequenzes at all, while the guards are stuck to the "rp rules" and won't be ableto find out who hides under any hood.
In this point I absolutely agree; especially if non-imprisoned chars are able to go inside the prison theoretically. Because there would not only be rp in the prisons but only breakout-trying rps and stuff like that, love scenes of falsely imprisoned guys and their fiances that will wait for them until the truth comes out etc etc...Pellandria wrote:With a prison located inside trollsbane and not outside in some backwater place like a forest, I think there would be actually prison rp, you see while a prison just trapps your char, with a killban you are forced to stay out of your char, I also had a char in the old prison once and not mere 7 days but several months and I was not even catched but trapped there on a Gm's behalf, because she "Didn't like my rp" and I still logged in and in the hope that someone might be around or even talk with someone over icq/msn so they are going to visit me, so the trollsbane jail is a huge improvement over the other prison and still you complain about it, just make sure that some guard/criminal friend visits you now and the or go to prison with two people, then you still could rp and you won't be "rotting" there.
As I said, they normally try to find a loophole, either they refuseor they attack the guard, and at this skill and equipment level, you are normally half death, before you even can start to react on the attack.Rhianna Morgan wrote: I have only one simple question to ask here: Why can't the guards rp that they catch the hooded figure just to look who hides under the hood because they are seeking some criminal and anyone hooded might logically look suspicious for them?
Hooded figures in broad daylight have to hide something, and if you hide something it perhaps is something illegal. It does not have to be, but I think a guard should be intelligent enough to overhaul all persons he or she does not recognize or does not know. Policemen in RL would do this as well when they are tracing someone.
There seem to be times were one can simply walk into the prison.Rhianna Morgan wrote: Is the prison actually walkable?
He has played for years, and this is just his new account for a different character.. lots of people do that.Dantagon Marescot wrote:Personally I still want to know who Daelyn plays. His account is just a few months old and he acts like he has been playing for years, but won't tell anyone a character whom he has played. I'm curious, are you too afraid to tell in fear that people will hate you for your opinions?
And Pella... what you get up to when there are no women ig to entertain your character I think half the argument right here is because both people are argumentive and we have a freaking language gap. Can neither of you play nice?
On topic... I already said I liked the island idea Any word from the devs on this yet?
And Korm is right. We aren't a community. We are just a bunch of people with our own ideas all trying to do it all our way in the same spot.
If I had such a fear it would probably be reasonable. You know just as well as I how bad people are at mixing OOC and IC, Dant. I did tell you though, I play almost all the chars with Ae. My first char was Tryiam Celebrindal, taught by Swish (who would have thought XD) And trained in the arts of fighting by Arcia. Im also PO Aeridor Isthil, Aernadi Cuthalion, Belannaer, Aenarion and some random other chars I will prefer to keep secret. As I said, almost all elves with Ae (No, im not PO kaelynXD )Dantagon Marescot wrote:Personally I still want to know who Daelyn plays. His account is just a few months old and he acts like he has been playing for years, but won't tell anyone a character whom he has played. I'm curious, are you too afraid to tell in fear that people will hate you for your opinions?
That sounds soooooooooo familiar.Dantagon Marescot wrote:A lot of times we will ask people to remove hoods (when it was a law), and people would refuse to remove it. So we would tell them to remove it, we get a no. We would tell them again, "either you reveal your face or you need to leave Bane." Again, a no and we would tell them to leave bane, yet another no. Well, of course at that point we behind the screen are going "gods damn it, I'm gonna get clouded just getting him out of here," because we know who it is, and that by all means, they will cloud me because they know they can.