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Ules Felko is also added.

A very old, and very crooked orcen woman takes a quill from her pouch and scrawls a note upon the wall. She then pulls the shawl that she always wears around her head, and leaves, awaiting an answer.

Dear Captain Irenicus and company,

I request citizenship of Troll's Bane,

Yours,

Madame Ingrid Thunk
Nothing more is written

Wir müssen die Liste ein wenig aktualisieren. Ich bitte bei Gelegeheit darum, verstorbene und verschollene Bürger zu melden. Auch sollen sich nochmal alle hier melden, die offizielle Bürger der Stadt Troll`s Banes sein wollen.

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We have to actualise our lists. Please, write down all names of citizens who are died or missed. All ones, who want to be official citizens of Troll`s Bane, have to send a message here too.


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Lennier
Earl of the Grey Rose
On Behalf of the Town Council of Troll`s Bane
Honorary-druid of the Druids of the Forest.

Just one thing Lennier. For Brágon's sake, get yourself a translator. Your understanding of the new language is limited, and in this kind of bureaucratic cases, you should use the proper words in the new language.

Apart from that, I have nothing to say.

~MM~

Bailey Thunnigan und Alan Fabor. sind der Liste hinzugefügt.

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Lennier
Im Auftrag der Stadt

Bailey Thunnigan and Alan Fabor are added to the list.

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Lennier
On behalf of the city

Caitlin Fergus ist aus der Bürgerliste entfernt worden. Es war ihr eigener Wunsch.

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Caitlin Fergus name is removed from our list. It is her own wish.

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Lennier
Graf der Grauen Rose
Stadtrat von Troll`s Bane

Moshker is removed.

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Lennier...

Visit one of our next meeting of the Town Council and you will be added. The next meeting is tomorrow ((Friday 20:00 GMT)) Or meet me or Pendar, so we can prove your existence.

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Lennier
Graf der Grauen Rose
Stadtrat von Troll`s Bane

Während der letzten Ratssitzung hat Ladir nach der Aufnahmen in die Bürgerschaft gefragt. Nun ist er dieser hinzugefügt worden.

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During the last meeting Ladir asked to join the citizenship. Now he is added.

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Lennier
Graf der Grauen Rose
Stadtrat von Troll`s Bane

To quote Lenniers message to Varshikar......

Varshikaries,

Tomorrow is the last day of the ultimatum of Troll`s Bane to keep the discussion to find a solution about the annexion of the "whole" desert and the collecting of taxes in your land.

Until yet and in face of our efforts we got no real chance to debate with Varshikar.

Thus and with the day after tomorrow our sanction becomes reality up to we get new meetings and a common solution.

I plead to read exactly (I excuse me for my own translation of the original text. He is the only right one): Varshikaries who work or trade inside the area of Troll`s Bane have to pay a tax. A tax of 250 copper coins has to be payed for the permission to work or trade in Troll`s Bane for a undefined time. The Town Guards and only the Town Guards collect the tax.

Excluded are: Varshikaries who do not work or trade inside the area of Troll`s Bane, who only are at journey or with a diplomatic mission (No, trading is no diplomatic mission!). Excluded are also all people, who are not inhabitants of Varshikar.

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Lennier
Earl of the Grey Rose
Councilor of Troll`s Bane

To quote a letter from Pendar to myself in the wake of a negotiation meeting...

Jeremy
As per our earlier discussion I now supply you with Trollsbanes official stance on the issue of taxation and how it would apply to your citizens. What ever else you have been lead to believe is simply false.Please feel free to persue the board yourself for other interesting points.

The summary to the last Town Council Meeting
In matter of this point Troll`s Bane sets up an ultimatum of one week. If Varshikar does not remove his taxes against non-inhabitants of Varshikar, Troll`s Bane would take his right to collect taxes from citizens of Varshikar who trade or work in Troll`s Bane (~200 - 300 coins for a general permission)(Journeys and diplomatic missions are excluded). All collected coins would be invested in equipment for the Town Guard.

To be clear as per my earlier words journeys are excluded as such you will not have to pay me 200 coins for the next bottle of wine we drink.
If a citizen of the north is consistantly slaughtering our pigs or wishes to constantly use our anvil. I see no harm in them paying something for the right. A general permission of course means the terms can be negotiated and are not set in stone.
I also do not in truth see why if we are no longer operateing under a treaty we should let northern merchants sell in town affectively takeing business from towns folk with out taxation. Perhaps in time we will both have registered merchants peddeling goods between the two citys.

So as you can see my friend the taxes are not as harsh as seems to be opinion. Let us speak further from here, seems letters of passage are not really required now. You are free to pass just not trade in the walls so that is what we can begin work on next perhaps.
Yours as always
Pendar

(my apologies to you Pendar for enclosing this copy here.)


Why has a Varshikari been accosted by Lennier himself and asked to pay tax for merely being in the town of Trollsbane?
Lennier, you go against your own words. How can Varshikar negotiate with Trollsbane when you keep changing what we are negotiating on? You need to decide about your tax and how it will work and who it applies to. Then we might have a chance to negotiate and settle this matter.

Jeremy
Head of The Varshikar Magery Academy
Acting Forester of Varshikar

I was unaware that such a thing happened. I, too, would be interested to hear this.

I Am,
Moskher of Varshikar

Yes, until now i collected taxes myself for 2 times. Faladron Furnir and Marie Tolong got a permission for trading and working inside of Troll`s Bane after they payed me the tax. I asked in public, if there are Varshikaries, who would want to pay their tax. Both came to me theirself and payed - The act was very simple.

I see no problem. But i have to say too, yes, I do not really understand your point.

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Lennier
Graf der Grauen Rose
Stadtrat von Troll`s Bane

The Town Guards and only the Town Guards collect the tax.

Is Lennier now a guardsman?

Your account varies greatly from that which I have heard. I also suspect that these citizens paid the tax because they were unsure of their rights and how the tax works and did not want to cause an incident. And possibly because they were worried about being 'chased down' for the money.
I shall leave this matter to those in authority to investigate.


Jeremy

Sorry for this. I have the paranoid thinking to have to do everything for myself.

And now, we should stop here. It is the thread for the citizensship of Troll`s Bane.

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Lennier...

Sam wrote:I am sad to inform you that Ellaron passed away several moons ago, so you can remove him from your list.

Sam.

I feel interested to see that the list of citizens holds dead people. I wonder what malicious practices are going on in Lennier's room.

~Misjbar Mehialho~

There is just one problem with your "tax", a person may enter Trollsbane, deal with a person, and yet trade the goods themselves outside of the town...

Is trading goods for goods considered buying?

And is this the start of a war between the two factions?

Eliron Sharid

Faker of a died faker, i can not find the letter you copied. But in general, like i wrote here some months ago, i am happy about informations about citizens who are missed - but not about informations of a faker.


To the taxes and other topics - I do not answer unsigned questions. Never.

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Lennier
Earl of the Grey Rose
Councilor of Troll`s Bane

The elf reads the above statement, finds the old parchment and adds his name to the end

Dear Eliron Sharid, you ask too much. I have to tell you all tricks to trick us?!

Oh, i added the names of Varshikaries who payed their tax at a seperate list at the fist post.

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Lennier
Earl of the Grey Rose
Councilor of Troll`s Bane

I do not often place ink on this parchment not because it is not important to me but simply because Lennier does a more than admirable job of keeping people informed.
How ever Jeremy both Marie and Faladron do trade in town I would hazard to guess they paid because they both know they do good buisness in our walls and wished to continue to trade honestly.
Lennier informed me of the tax collected and there coin is being kept safely until finality is reached with our discussions surrounding the tax. It is my understanding some discussion may continue.
My words here are not an attempt to fan more debate merely the possible implication Lennier had behaved dishonestly can not be allowed to linger.

Eliron it is my sincer hope that neither north or south are standing around looking for ways to cheat the other. Will I actively hunt down any northern citizen who might do a single trade quietly unlightly. Are northern citizens coming up with such plans to attempt to dodge the tax I hope not. It is akin to me saying people of trollsbane dont pay varshikars tax kill ogers by night. An act I would certainly not support
I hope that makes clear my feelings
Yours in service
Pendar Fayed
Captain of trollsbanes guard.

However i wonder whether this will initatiate a war... your tax seems like vengenace; and few peopel enjoy being made to pay it...

I just hope that no step will be too far

Eliron Sharid

Speak not of war for it is a word that tastes foul on any one who loves lifes lips.
You speak of vengence yet such is not the case we the town of trollsbane share resources with Vanima and Greenbriar happily as they do with us. Should Vanima feel a need to tax people in the future we would in turn look at taxing them, vengence is not our goal simply we are not charity.

Perhaps also people should look at the norths true feelings to us I will pull some choice quotes from recollection.

Major changes in the government of Trollsbane have lead us to have no choice but to cancel all contracts with the village of Trollsbane and it's related government

Furthermore, we would like to announce that we are unhappy with Trollsbane's decisions to exile their criminals onto our lands and the lands of their other neighbors. For the time being, we offer aid to all exiles of Trollsbane and a place to stay. However, Varshikar is losing patience with this arrangement.

It was the north who withdrew there friendship to our humble "village" yet all of this is some how forgotten as the wicked town victimises vashikari ?
They offer to shelter our criminals there lands do not extend to our borders.
The entire note may be found on the town wall ((rpg)) headed to the village of trollsbane.
Perhaps if you better looked into matters before questioning the position we had adopted on such matters you would see that we have infact been most understanding, perhaps not.
Little matter I stand by the towns decision one I remain happy to be a part of.
Yours in service
Pendar Fayed
Town councelor
Captain of the town guard

War indeed is foul, thats why it must be spat out and prevented...

You suggested that in the future Vanima may impose a tax... although i can't beleive that we would stoop so low; we would not impose a tax on only one faction, on only one citizenhood...

Doing that woul sound like a retaliation

Indeed. It more than sounds like it.

Pendar, Silverbrand has torn up their contracts with Trollsbane twice in recent history. Do you also feel that they're being unfriendly? Please clarify.

Also, Silverbrand does not allow citizens of Trollsbane or otherwise past their gates, and the price of getting caught there would be more than a tax, I assure you.

This is the nature of the two-headed beast, of course.

And, yes, we do offer a place to stay for those that you send out. If they become a nuisance to us, then their permission to stay is no longer valid. This is a matter of humanity, not scorn. We have no idea by which standards you have banned them. They are your criminals, not ours, and if you haven't the resolve to punish them, we won't do it for you.

Also keep in mind that Trollsbane never accomplished their part of the bargain with our contracts. We never did recieve the support that was asked for, and we solved the conflict on our own. You wouldn't be aware of this, Pendar, for you had nothing to do with that contract signing, but lack of knowledge wouldn't stop one from arguing to uphold a grudge, would it?

With those corrections, you may continue your debate, for

I Am,
Moskher of Varshikar

Pendar wont be able to post here for some time

Please, add Kamik Windslasher and Devrah Liioness to the list of citizens. And also, my name to the list of thw new recruits of the guard.
Devrah and myself already spoke with Pendar about our citizenship.


My thanks,

Kamik.