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don't think so Baurus

who exactly is your veiw valid? care to elaborate?

well warriors kind of have to go close, if mages can run and attack, then they can kill warriors by just running. archers can do the same.

the process of turn-run-turn-cast and repeat isn't as quick as you think it is. wands are the only thing that make it any faster

archers kill mages becuase your common mage has about one skill point in parry or dodge no corresponing stats to go with them and low constitution. the mages best friend is range when it comes to fighting. but an arrow has range as well, for a mage it's no different then being hit with a melee weapon only that they can't stand ten paces away and be safe.


warriors, sheilded and armored. with there high constituion and parry and dodge abilities can actually manage to push right up to an archer. they have two skills used in avoiding blows (parry/dodge) which both come into play against archers. also archers don't have endless arrows. they stands best chance to beating the archer because they can use equipment and weapons to the fullest extent

Turn-run-turn-cast doesn't work. I only have 4 agility remembers?

Athian wrote:the process of turn-run-turn-cast and repeat isn't as quick as you think it is. wands are the only thing that make it any faster

archers kill mages becuase your common mage has about one skill point in parry or dodge no corresponing stats to go with them and low constitution. the mages best friend is range when it comes to fighting. but an arrow has range as well, for a mage it's no different then being hit with a melee weapon only that they can't stand ten paces away and be safe.


warriors, sheilded and armored. with there high constituion and parry and dodge abilities can actually manage to push right up to an archer. they have two skills used in avoiding blows (parry/dodge) which both come into play against archers. also archers don't have endless arrows. they stands best chance to beating the archer because they can use equipment and weapons to the fullest extent

It's like rock paper scissors

there are exceptions in each catagory, but yea it pretty much is a just like rock paper scissors.

unfortunately, we have way too many rocks, a small number of paper, and hardly any scissors if you get what im saying here

I want to learn ancient from Aokan........... Why shouldn't evil chars be able to learn magic w/o gm assistance?

Because evil chars tend more to use their magic against others than good ones. and we dont want to see every char who claims to be evil going on rampage with their magic.

Aslong as they have an RP reason I would think its fine.

For many evil chars "being evil" is enough rp reason for them to kill others.

just look at karguk going on killing sprees

Magic sucks unless your the person who can cast it. Thats my opinion xD

And Gra is evil...But he doesn't kill anyone ATM.

a real evil car isnt evil, becouse he think all others are evil

Thats a realy good point.

But one example doesn't prove a point. It all depends on the character.

Take Dante...He looks evil, but he's not....He even has a red glimmer in his eyes!

then why is a character that thinks he is good and says he is good considered not childish

lets try not to critize other's roleplay.

"I am good I fight the evil"

that is not childish?

it isnt... but the one who say that musnt be good that is the point. to be good means to think you are right in your wiev of the world and the outhers are wrong, that is what a "evil" char think and a "good" one..... and that why nearly evry char must think in my opion that he is a good hero

a character had been abused by good knights because of his beliefs. he accepts then that he is evil and will cause as much pain as possible so others will know how he feels?

that doesn't sound like childish roleplay. childish roleplay is running around towards any gm controlled monster becuase there may be a quest that will give them rewards.

I agree and disagree with both of you. For one I'm tired with everyone being the "On my honor!" or "May my arrow fly true with justice!" good guys. But is it childish roleplay? No. But its bland and boring. Also, evil characters can be well played either way. Its more likely that people will think they are in the right, but there is always the bad guy who just likes doing "bad" things because other people get hurt by it.

Also, a perfect example of childish roleplay was this wolf I saw recently.
Everybody it has a name! Lets chase it! Woo I'm gunna get "phat loot"

*sigh*

This has nothing to do with the magic system.

Yeah! This is a discussion of how unfair magic is and how overpowered it is.

Yeah but the people who use it are probably like "Nooo, magic is way to weak...Make it stronger so we can kill everyone, yeah....Really un-medieval"

Um...no...that said not a single one of us

Maybe you can stay by topic and truth and not false assumptions?

Bye Galim?

Get a life Jon.

Cliu Beothach wrote:But one example doesn't prove a point. It all depends on the character.

Agreed; when Aokan came into Troll's Bane, he didn't go on a killing spree did he? In fact, I quote:
Aokan Folkbjorn: I don't want to overwhelm them
Aokan Folkbjorn (w): ((I really try and not do so much stuff, people might fret))

SORRY ABOUT THE DOUBLE POST!!!

Xalliar wrote:Every well-played bad char is good in his own opinion.
A char who is evil just because he wants to be evil is crap and very, very chidlish.

Well, not necessarily. William wants to join the evil side because he is a bit misunderstood, he's never taken seriously, many dislike him and he feels weak. Now if he got magic, he wouldn't go round blitzing people; he'd learn constructive magic, which he never got the chance to do learning from someone good. Yes, if he felt the need he would probably summon a couple of mummies or cast a fire spell at someone, but how often does William attack someone, reminding you that William has never once killed someone and the only time he would have attacked to the death was with Capus. He's not really evil, just misunderstood. He thinks he's evil, he'd like to be evil, but he's not the type of person who causes mayhem. I'd just like him to learn magic, which he'd use in the same way everyone else uses it. Offensive magic would be used in defense or extreme circumstances etc. I think this is quite fair frankly.

Misjbar wrote:Get a life Jon.

I do my racing, thats my life.

Anyway on topic...

I only like magic if I can use it xD.....So lets say if I don't get my char to learn it, I won't like it, if I do, I'll like it...I am very bias aswell.