Magic Discussion

Lance Thunnigan · Post by **Lance Thunnigan** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:18 am

Arameh_ wrote:What the heck that meant? Yeah, if I wanted to pwn and kill everyone I would make a mage . This topic aint about personal attacks, btw.

Not attacking you. Saying stop whining your eyes out about magic.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:19 am

LOL, I wasnt even talking about magic before you come and insult me in a crappy way, god

Edit : Anyway, have fun saying crap about me, im off for a while so feel free.

Lance Thunnigan · Post by **Lance Thunnigan** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:21 am

Arameh_ wrote:LOL, I wasnt even talking about magic before you come and insult me in a crappy way, god

Then stop whining about 'overpowered' characters, who've probably been training a long time to get where they are. In general, stop whining about anything. You don't have to start topics, just to rant.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:22 am

Lance Thunnigan wrote:
Arameh_ wrote:LOL, I wasnt even talking about magic before you come and insult me in a crappy way, god
Then stop whining about 'overpowered' characters, who've probably been training a long time to get where they are. In general, stop whining about anything. You don't have to start topics, just to rant.

Last one -.-

I did not complain once in a few pages.

Lance Thunnigan · Post by **Lance Thunnigan** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:23 am

It means, a/more characters that, is/are too much powered yes. It means that it can it is too much powered to be said as 'balanced' in the game. There can be no overpowered fighters (well maybe with the new lightning swords that gets distributed recently), dont kid me. Any fighter can be defeated easily with a strong enought mage or warlock.

Pretty much sums it up.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:33 am

that is not complaining, that is being factual.

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:40 am

FACT: Your chars dont have high essence

FACT: High essence makes magic weaker

FACT: A char without high essence wont do well against magic

FACT: Magic is very powerful against someone without high essence

FACT: Your gonna get owned by magic

deal with it

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:43 am

Essence doesn't really make a difference as has been stated previously..

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:48 am

But it does make a difference

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:52 am

Salathe wrote:But it does make a difference

Its doesn't, this is a bug. Certain other attributes effect your magic resistance instead by mistake.

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:07 am

then replace whatever you need, with when i said essence

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:08 am

I suspect it is more complicated then that.. or else nitters would cass would have done that by now.

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:26 am

Complaining that mages are too powerful because they are mages and ignoring in his roleplay that his char has just 3 intelligence and 3 willpower.

That shows me a lack of good roleplay understanding

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:28 am

And arn't good mages supposed to use their powers wisely instead of killing everything for anything?

And how would you know other chars stats?
Stalker! Get away!

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:30 am

Yes, thats right. How many times have you seen a mage killing something, Kevin? Please sum it up. And also in which situation that was.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:31 am

If everyone is whining about mages being to strong they have to have been killing...

And, alot of poor piggies died!

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:36 am

See, they are whining. But you can't give me a single example of a mage killing someone as long as it was not in self defense or through good roleplay reasons.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:38 am

Well, I agree with you, but i just love a great arguement and so I'm going to argue.
Might even get some good info out of it

But why would everyone be whining if they never got killed by mages?

Mages usualy have high intelligence, and most should realy think about not killing them and letting them be.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:42 am

Arameh_ wrote:LOL, I wasnt even talking about magic before you come and insult me in a crappy way, god

Please keep in mind that this IS a topic about magic and if you aren't talking about whats on topic than you shouldn't be posting here. There is a whole board for off topicness.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:40 pm

again for the record

@ arameh there is such a thing as an overpowered fighter.

Fighter<mage<Archer<Fighter

once some of the new systems get involved (like priest magic and such) i'm sure it will change

with the current classes this is what combat comes down to looking like, with exceptions in the different area's but again. just because a fighter can't kill the mage he wants doesn't make them less overpowered. to me an overpowered character can kill anything he/she wants at any time, without any need for stratagy or proper equipment. thats overpowered. but i haven't met a player character yet that fits this bill.

Edit: alligators changed

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:06 pm

Quinasa wrote:
Arameh_ wrote:LOL, I wasnt even talking about magic before you come and insult me in a crappy way, god
Please keep in mind that this IS a topic about magic and if you aren't talking about whats on topic than you shouldn't be posting here. There is a whole board for off topicness.

I was giving my point about roleplaying with hs stats, because someone else had started something about this, and this is linked to mages.

@ Athian What the heck does that meant? Maybe you inversed the things.
Fighters arent any good agaisnt mages because of the range at which they are from them, and I doubt archers are that good agaisnt fighters.
As for mages that didnt overuse use their magic, we are NOT talking of that. Being a strong mage, even if you never casted a spell, makes a big difference. Why? Lets take an example that happened, Arameh and Stephen at the shop, as well as Athian. Then as Arameh and stephen were about to kick off Gort, Athain decides to say something like : well, if there is a fight, i will be with gort. Then what? We coulnt do anything, if we would have fought we all know what would have happened, we just stood here while they were laughing. He did not cast a single spell, but it still changes all the RP.

going off again

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:47 pm

Solution: mages are not allowed to fight warriors, Warriors are not allowed to fight mages ^^

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:04 am

the mouth always points to what eats what remember the alligator.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:07 am

The analogy is the alligator always eats what is bigger (assuming bigger = better).

So if Fighter>Mage would mean the fighter is better than the mage.

>=greater, <=Less

Unless, of course, I misread your analogy and we are saying the same thing.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:41 pm

ack maybe i did put that backward. oh well, you all get the idea anyway. one quick changero will help that

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:35 pm

Fighter>mage>Archer>Fighter

You truly think an archer is better than a fighter?

I think it'd have to be an excellent archer to overcome a fighter... i could be wrong though.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:02 pm

why don't you read two post up.

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:11 pm

An excellent archer can kill a very good warrior with three arrows. I would consider that damn good.

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:26 pm

I believe the cycle was actually:

Fighter beats Archer
Archer beats Mage
Mage beats Fighter

xBaurusx · Post by **xBaurusx** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:48 pm

no... if you think about it its
Mage pwns archer
mage pwns warrior
mage pwns other mage

mages are over powered!

it should be
Mage pwns archer
Archer pwns warrior
Mage pwns Warrior
Warrior kinda left in the dirt.. only short ranged person