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well, than you all are powergamer if you are only making the attributs for being a good fighter.
Mages have the disadvantage, that they cant do so, that they can carry more than skilled...

You can roleplay, how inteligent you are but mages cant roleplay the fights.

Thats very poor guys. You ought to be ashamed yourself.

And i dont know, why no gm is preventing it by punisching them and making the intelligent like they play.
so you dont will have problems...

You can roleplay, how inteligent you are but mages cant roleplay the fights.

Intelligence helps magic and strength helps fighting. Intelligence, if rped by stats, would be able to roleplay an intelligent human being. Little strength, you would hardly be able to lift a wand, or even trouble carrying a bag, a coat could weigh you down.

Yes, it seems fighters don't play by stats because intelligence isn't a given. It has been stated before and it is shown that the stat system is so that everyone will have a weakness. Having average rp in other areas would constitute the "your not playing by your stats" argument.

you can have average rp by being a dumb ork. thats not the problem. but you cant have intelligent of 3 or 4 and being a hero, whom you cant tell lies or cheat. thats the problem. There are guys who tell you, how good they are but they are dumb. thats the matter. you cant act rethorical perfect with intelligenz of 4...


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ich kann echt schlecht englisch. Also, ich habe Orks sehr sehr gut spielen gesehen, denn sie konnten mangelne intelligenz ausspielen. aber einen elden ritter zu spielen, der rethorisch perfect ist und leider nur intelligenz von drei hat?

And you can't act seemingly normal with low consitution. You should be having a running nose, rampant with disease and always sick.

You can't walk straight with low agility, or jump over logs, climb ladders without falling, yet those things are taking for granted as well and I think they should be.

well, i am roleplaying this, that my mage is sick and so on...

All the time, are players worried to be around him? Does he walks and act normal in social situations.

I am not saying its a bad thing if you do, but its the flip side of the coin.

he seams weak, and all are asking him, if he has aprblem. he must rescesse and dont walk long ways..

But see, seeming weak and the inability to understand conversations are quite different. Being weak as opposed to having oozing sores and such other sickness is like being dumb and not understanding what is going on. To offer such an extreme alternative for warriors to hinder roleplay greatly isn't too fair.

not for warrior. there are warrios with intelligentz of 5 or 6. they arent so dumb. i am talking about making all attributs not needed for fights low to get you maximum skilled...

We are back at the beginning now.

sure. thats the problem. but you cant say, you are a good rpler if you are ignoring that. you can play, that you are intelligent, buy we mage have disadvantages which we cant play. we can carry less than warriors, we are weaker. but dumb fghter are reign the world? thats stupid...

Can dumb fighters learn magic?

Each thing has its own draw backs in skill.

well. There is a point where theres a Great fighter who can be a Great mage....Never happens IG

I doubt I ever seen any mages being sick, RPed being weak or unable to lift something or take a long walk. The thing is, intelligence is needed for magic, strenght is needed for fighteing, now you want to make intelligence needed for fighters as well? We dosent always want to play dumb characters, and you guys dosent play like weak or sick ones, I dont see your point.

Fighting needs nearly all attributes now, strenght, perception, dexterity, agility, constitution, and now intelligence, and maybe esence and willpower to be able to last 2 magic attacks? I named all attributes. Mages needs intelligence, essence, willpower, and thats it. They dont need constitution for their spells, they dont need to lift heavy things with strenght, they dont need perception, they dont need agility, or dexterity. And now you want to forbid 3/4 of the figthing characters to be any intelligent? Intelligence for every character is VERY important, being unable to lift a lot of things is not.

You must also think about thoses that already have important, and strong warriors (stephen, aristeaus, Gabon?), that have 3 intelligence, cannot change it, they can have put it when it was totally useless, and now it comes right in their face, and PO mages annoys them constantly with that (play your attributes) shit.

Unless there can be changing attributes (which i doubt will happen), we CANT make such sort of things, we cant oblige players and tell them (you put 3 intelligence? your character cant be a scribe idiot).

There is also learning in this, which I use more than just the attribute. lets take Arameh for example, anyone remember when he came on the island? I would have to tell the word 'idiot'. Then, he became smarter, and smarter, over time. Being jailed a month, showed him that trying to take silverbrand was idiotic, and made him thinking, and reading a lot (thanks to Lennier and his history books ). Then he has been teached by Mirsjilah, when he joined the knighthood, and that, made the main difference. He learned about gods, manners, and things like this. Then he slowly became smarter, and personally, now I count him as a smarter than average character, with only 8 intelligence.

What I mean by that, is that characters CHANGE, they arent dumbass all their life, some may be, but surely not for the main part. Same for strenght, anything can be trained in RL. You cant just say 'stephen has 3 intelligence, he is governor, what a sucky RPer' nor 'xyz has 20 intelligence, and he forgot about Elara, what a shitty RPer' , you just cant do that, its irrespectful, and isnt any smart.

There is one Arameh, And you've met her. Just slipped your mind heh?

you make me laugh, this is the worst excuse for powergaming i ever heard. I dont nead intelligence, i am a warrior - but i want to play a governour, a king, etc...

if you want to play a gouvernour or a king, you must choose a high intelligence.

With Thariel i have a Char with intelligence of 9 and willpower of 9 i think, in a time, when nobody need this attributes. Why did i chose them? Because it is a RP-game and not slash and slay!
Choosing Int 3 and want to be part of reign sucks. I have played a dumb ork and i know its difficult to play. I am playing a mage too and its difficult to play the intelligence. But i am trying it. Everyone who knows my mage, has seen him, being weak. Thariel isnt a hero like the others and he knows it. For this he tries to help the real heros he adores. Well, i have a dwarf and i have renewed him, loosing all my skills to give him priest attributes, when there is no priest magic. Why? Because i cant roleplay a future priest with intelligence of 6(this was the old stat, i think).

Its so easy ti understand, but you dont want to admit it. You want to have fun and are annoying us by telling, mage are overpowerd.
I was a Gamemaster on Pen & Paper-Games for more then 12 years. If i have had such bad roleplayers i have had killed the chars all the time or changed the skills. If there was a warrior, who ever lies, but dont want to put skillpoint of lie, the others noticed, that he lied.

Thats the issure. YOu cant roleplay, what you dont have. If you dont have lumbs, you cant make fire. If your cahr dont have enough intelligence for be an intrigant warrior, let it be.

Please make us the favour. PLEASE!

and btw: you need in rl intelligence to be a good craftsman or a good tailor. Intelligence is the ability to resolve problems. If craftsman wouldnt have this ability, how could they learn? And the best warriors were the most intelligence. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu

I really agree with Aristeaus, so yeah...
keep argueing, I wont change my roleplay.

then you arent roleplaying. you are playing, what you want, and not, what your char is(nt) able to do...

I think you need to chill a bit. You ignored all my points, you just want to go around and 'YOURE A POWERGAME, YOU TOO' cause you had a bad day. I pity that, seriously. I DID NOT say that using intelligence for fighting was bad, I DID not say crafting didnt need intelligence, intelligence helps everything ig right now, im ok with that YOURE THE COMPLAINER, i am NOT. Youre asking that most warriors becomes dumb tomorrow, that the governor becomes a shit, Samantha rules the town and you can sit on your ass laughting about the years youve been a GM about pen and paper games. Well, seriously, I DONT give a smile about whatever you tell about me or anything of the sort. What about you now use your fucking RL intelligence and read my post again to understand it?

I am not mad, but stop being an ass cause youre in a bad mood .

Taylor wrote:There is one Arameh, And you've met her. Just slipped your mind heh?

Jeanette isn't exactly the poster child for a healthy magic user.

You tis the one i am talking about

i didnt mean this, Arameh. And i dont think, that samantha likes to be a leade of this town.

What i mean is, that you are complaining about mage, how overpowered they are and so on and you ignore, that there are overpowered warrior, because they ignore the intelligence-factor. I try to play all my chars well and dont like to make my skills to keep the best factors for all. What i want, is that you play that, what your char is able to do.

Stephen is governour? Well, let him. He can restart his char and play it very well. The little bit of fighting skill lost will be there in a few weeks. I didnt have a problem to restart a char, because of the roleplay. And this sacrifice to the roleplay you dont want to do. I really miss Alkuurg. He knows how to play his role

Since them the damn roleplay is loosing quality.

lmao, the little fighting skill will be back in a few weeks ?
Not close, it has taken me about 8 solid months (seriously) of leveling him daily to get to this point. With lumberjacking, carpentry, mining, minor smithing skill, dodge, slash, parry, distance, tactics, puncture.

Thariel, stop, your just being dumb now.
Your pissed that you restarted your character because you feel that you need to prove to everyone your roleplay is good, and you see me in the same position not caring about what others say about my roleplay and it pisses you off and so you attack my roleplay.
I am very confident I can roleplay Stephen perfectly. And I am very confident when I say, I won't change his roleplay because someone wishes to complain ooc that they were dumb enough to restart their character to appease a small fraction of illa's population.

well, if you are pissed of, then please dont annoy the mage with your whining.

You dont understand the heck the word 'overpowered' means.

"over" "power" ed

It means, a/more characters that, is/are too much powered yes. It means that it can it is too much powered to be said as 'balanced' in the game. There can be no overpowered fighters (well maybe with the new lightning swords that gets distributed recently), dont kid me. Any fighter can be defeated easily with a strong enought mage or warlock.

Arameh_ wrote:It means, a/more characters that, is/are too much powered yes. It means that it can it is too much powered to be said as 'balanced' in the game. There can be no overpowered fighters (well maybe with the new lightning swords that gets distributed recently), dont kid me. Any fighter can be defeated easily with a strong enought mage or warlock.

So make a damn mage character and get over yourself, damn.

What the heck that meant? Yeah, if I wanted to pwn and kill everyone I would make a mage . This topic aint about personal attacks, btw.