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An orc walks up to the town wall in Troll's Bane and looks it for a few moments. He apparently has a large axe settle on his back as well as a fire sword in his belt and a large shield on his arm. On his chest plate is a big red skull, even bigger than the chief's. He pulls out a bottle of some red liquid and dips his finger in it. He then write on the parchment below the other writings and grunts

Greebas Skulls and Movement orcs,

Me Grunith shuth will tell you what you wants to know. When you looks at movements, movements only try to take back what leader wants. Leader wants to be king of Northerot so he uses only yous for purpose of his. And Grant this be truth, last time me saw you me speaked with you and now yoos may hate me but it be life. The skulls have pride and a sense of unity!

Together we stands as orcs! We not go round barking in others face but we also not take doo doo from others! If you read clan script you see what we means! This clan old and it stands for one sole purpose, that purpose be to give back good name for orcs! Just because we created by Moshran doesn't mean we should all be discriminated as evil creatures! We fight for what we believe and we doos so. If you put examples up to contradict this and yoos look behind it then yoo see what we really doing.

The orcs of the movement only fight cause they want power which Grant won't hand them. Sure he may gets kingdom of Northerot, but that means he still only use you as hit orcs. Is it not better to be in group of orcs and live with thems? Is it not better to be yoos own person to decide what yoos want to do? And not be bootlicker? Yoo sees Skulls not boot lickers, even me not bootlick Veralion's boots, but wes work together. If yoo pay close attention yoo sees. Open eyes orcs. And think.

~Council Orc~Grunith Shuth

The orc pounds on his chest and jams the parchment on the wall with the red substance on it. He turns away and licks his finger with a grin and walks outside. He turns to the East and walks outside the walls with a grunt.

[quote="Grant Herion
The Direction: The plan is to dethrone Darlok the Deceiver and his ally Zerbus and all who ally themselves with Darlok.

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This is the point of the Movement. Any simpleton could find it and understand it.

Grant herion

But what the rumors be is that you want to be king, and me believes it, what will happen to Northerot once and if you do dethrone Darlok and Zerbus? Answer this and make this clears to all oh Grant Herion, So called Prind of Herion.

Grunith Shuth

Well, I will be either King unless there is another who believes they have more invested in the land then me. Remember Grunith, I was at Northerot before there was a land called Northerot. Secondly, why you defend Darlok is beyond me, he let the Ogre King take your cave, for this you should hate him.
And why you think I won't give anything back I do not know. I will give the cave to the orcs and dwarves and possibly lizards in this guild if they want it. They can form their own little empire in it. I will actually build Northerot into something and not make a few huts and call it quits.

Grant Herion

Cliu Beothach has joined the Movement. He has joined because of his solid beliefs against Darlok. I know he'll make a good member.

Grant Herion

Thank you Grant...And to Grunith I would just like to say that he wishes to make is a better place.

To me it does not matter if grant become kingor not what happens after our goalis met does not really matter to me. hat does matter is that we dethrone darlok. Grunith how do you know he will rise to king for all we know we all might be killed in the battle or someone besides Grant will rise to king as of no i think anyone would be a better king then darlok



~Willem Time~

Grant Herion risked his life to keep your cave and the castle in Northerot safe. From this I would suspect you should have more respect, but you are to foolish to see the big picture.

Enough stupid talks! Me not say me not like Grant. Fooser, he give life for cave, as we dids too. Make no different. We help defend land in makings. Like me said, it not that me not likes Grant. It just me not like some members he harboring in 'movement'... Opinion can be differents with other clansmen though...

Vera

BAH! I didn't know you would be King Grant. You are drunk with power....I do not want to be part of this silly guild. We serve you to have revenge? NO! I advise everyone to leave...I'd rather have Darlok be the ruler. Grant is a greedy man and will betray you, please think about this. i QUIT!

Cliu Beothach.

Grant is greedy, and I suppose Darlok is generous? Sure...

Yes, and Darlok is the magic Pixie of giving...

~Rynt~

Sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils...I have made my choice.

Darlok is less evil? Please, explain to me what you think the word evil means.

~Rynt~

Whats is good to make it the oppersite of evil.

Evil is an opinion, to some who view an action as evil, others will view it as good.

There is no such thing as evil.

Ari§teaus

Then your say only good exists in this world and there is only happyness for everyone, to that Aristeaus I say, bullshit


`Hamlet~

It seems you say much my friend. But i must say that your last saying wasnt one of your more thought about ones.
If you read what i have written. you will see i meant there is nothing set in stone to call something evil.

Is it evil for a Dwarf to kill an Elf..

Is it evil when the lion kills a Deer.

Evil is in the eye of the beholder.

Should have said that more clearly Aristreaus

`Hamlet~

There is evil in this world. You can but a blank in this saying "_______ is in the eye of the beholder." The majorities desicion is what counts. If people agree killing to gain personal things is evil, then it is evil.

The majority decision is what counts? The majority of Troll's Bane has decided that fireswords are made out of sugar. Does that mean anything? Absolutely not.

~Paul Laffing~

Well, hoping that you base you desicions on logic...it does work.

Who's logic? The evil sheep that lives inside my ears? Just because you say something is so doesn't make it so. The same goes no matter how many people say its so...

~Paul Laffing~

((Bah, I was about to pull out the old TBT argument when I realized it was OOC...))

((this isn't OOC I thought)

((Ah... I must quote this. "No shit, Sherlock". Thats why I didn't use the TBT argument, although I'm sure you'd like to hear it. Rather entertaining. ))

Paul don't go it to a point less rant it only makes you look stupid

`Hamlet~



((enough ooc you guys, read Grant first post!))

my idea and this is my personal opinion the way to juge good-evil law-caos is

you have to realize that good is not always to follow the law and evil is not always to follow caos with that the 4 are as follows

good : helping all or most at the loss of self or a few
evil : helping self or a few at the loss of all or most
law : self defind as following the laws of man and nature
caos : going aginst the laws of man or nature

you can take in acounts of all posable outcomes of any action by following these basics

as described good would be the opisit of evil and law the opisit of caos
but one could be good and caos in the same set of actions as in stelling and giveing the goods to those that need it ((robin hood))

in stories good always wins . why is this ? it is because they are the largest group that is benifiting . I will not juge Grant or Darlok ((excuse typos )) in the good or evil sides but as it is the new movement is caos for northrot and Darlok is law. but if the movement gains the greater good buy haveing a magority then Darlok would fall and there would be a new law of northroot

the new movement is caos just because law alwas stays with the curent govenment till it falls

the only eception would be if the movment acualy clamed part of the land of northroot as thers and gaurded it from the curent government as iin a civil war and then the movement would have it's own laws onthere land and have war till the government becomes one agin ofr the 2 sides decide to just stay as they are.

my sudjestion would be for the movement to calame they are the rightfull citizens of northroot and they are overtrowing the curent government to benifit the masses that live there. in that case you would elect or appoint a leader I belive it would be Grant and he would set the laws as Darlok would still say he is leader of northroot he would be a wannted man or heritic.

I have been babbleing to long and will stop now

Cliu is kicked out the movement due to his beliefs and because he now runs to Darlok.

Grant Herion

Jonathan Hamlet wrote:Paul don't go it to a point less rant it only makes you look stupid

I look stupid? I made it clear and to the point.

Paul Laffing wrote:Just because you say something is so doesn't make it so. The same goes no matter how many people say its so...

I think thats pretty simple if you ask me. Do you understand or do I need to simplify it for you? If you and your wittle friends have candy, you can say that the candy is really a cloud, but that won't make it so. The candy is still just candy.

yes yes i get that but look at this

Paul wrote:Who's logic? The evil sheep that lives inside my ears?

That was in response to a stupid comment by Cliu.

~Paul Laffing~