bror can't read it.
the first time i heared of a change in the magical system was, when i read this board.
@ashag: your suggestion is far too complex for the moment.
martin
New Magic System - how much does it take?!
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Well
i got 3 in intellegence since i spent the rest of my points on diffrent stuff..
so... let us that cant use spells have a chance to become druids insted then
i got 3 in intellegence since i spent the rest of my points on diffrent stuff..
so... let us that cant use spells have a chance to become druids insted then
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Well, intellect of 3 sure doesn't make it fun to be a mage 
But if they let everyone do this there would be ALOT of new talent among the druids. Although it still is not fair to those of us who have played our previous way so long.
But if they let everyone do this there would be ALOT of new talent among the druids. Although it still is not fair to those of us who have played our previous way so long.
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@Astral: You say it is fair to limit the amout of spells by profession and not by intelligence.
So a very smart person that decides to fight with a sword will never be able to learn to cast a simple spell, while a extremely dumb person that thinks he is a mage will be able to cast the hardest spell (at least a few times if he tries a lot)? I don't think this opinion is based on insight, but rather on the situation and the fact that your character has lost something.
About low intelligence mages, that are able to cast with a small success rate:
Imagine a solid piece of rock of 300 lbs. A small halfling (3 feet high, 50 lbs heavy) would be able to lift the rock about his head with a success rate of 2% or what is the idea about it? He tries 50 times and then lifts the rock 4 feet towards the sky?
So a very smart person that decides to fight with a sword will never be able to learn to cast a simple spell, while a extremely dumb person that thinks he is a mage will be able to cast the hardest spell (at least a few times if he tries a lot)? I don't think this opinion is based on insight, but rather on the situation and the fact that your character has lost something.
About low intelligence mages, that are able to cast with a small success rate:
Imagine a solid piece of rock of 300 lbs. A small halfling (3 feet high, 50 lbs heavy) would be able to lift the rock about his head with a success rate of 2% or what is the idea about it? He tries 50 times and then lifts the rock 4 feet towards the sky?
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Physical ablilities have nothing to do with luck (besides shooting an arrow and that). But magic relies on luck. That is apparent in many other games and books. So lifting a rock is in no way related to casting a spell.
About limiting spells by profession: If someone devotes their life to being a warrior, then they cannot also devote themselves to magic (no matter what intelligence). If a stupid person wants to devote their whole life to magic, they can cast the spells. They will learn it VERY slowly (as I have stated many times). They will not have as good success rates (luck).
About me losing a lot: I haven't lost very much. I lost three spells that I really don't care about. I can live with what I have. But it is other people who have played the roles of great mages who have lost so much it is impossible to play their role. As far as I am concerned, I am the same mage as I was before the new magic system.
About limiting spells by profession: If someone devotes their life to being a warrior, then they cannot also devote themselves to magic (no matter what intelligence). If a stupid person wants to devote their whole life to magic, they can cast the spells. They will learn it VERY slowly (as I have stated many times). They will not have as good success rates (luck).
About me losing a lot: I haven't lost very much. I lost three spells that I really don't care about. I can live with what I have. But it is other people who have played the roles of great mages who have lost so much it is impossible to play their role. As far as I am concerned, I am the same mage as I was before the new magic system.
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If spell casting is based on luck in your opinion, then mine is totaly different. I think spell casting is based on research, experimenting, drawing logical conclusions, reasoning and intelligence. And I think THIS is apparent in many other games.
I think, someone who is working as a craftsman 10 hours a day and is very intelligent, is at least able to reach the same magic abilities in his spare time as a very dumb person, that is hardly able to read and understand the words that he reads and studies magic for 10 hours a day.
I think, someone who is working as a craftsman 10 hours a day and is very intelligent, is at least able to reach the same magic abilities in his spare time as a very dumb person, that is hardly able to read and understand the words that he reads and studies magic for 10 hours a day.
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Maybe not luck as you think it. If someone fails to cast a spell the first time, all they have to do is keep trying and they will most likely get it soon (given they have appropriate knowledge of the spell). With your rock example, if the halfling can't lift it the first time, there is little chance that he can do it the second time, or the third, fourth, etc.
I am not saying that it isn't based on intelligence. It is. But the system of learning between warriors and mages is very different. Apparently I am not making myself clear about devoting one's life to learn good magic. I have said this before, but you persist with your craftsman example. To learn magic, one must devote all their time to it. I think we share the same view about that part. But where our views differ is if or if not a person of lesser intellect can learn them. Just to make it clear, my view of this kind of person is about 10 on the Illarion intellect scale, but spends his time doing nothing but magic. I don't think it is right that he can NEVER learn some spells regardless of the time he spends working at it.
I am not saying this should be put into effect immediately, just as something to consider while making the magic system to replace this one. I don't mean to sound angry, I just want to add a different opinion to Illarion.
I am not saying that it isn't based on intelligence. It is. But the system of learning between warriors and mages is very different. Apparently I am not making myself clear about devoting one's life to learn good magic. I have said this before, but you persist with your craftsman example. To learn magic, one must devote all their time to it. I think we share the same view about that part. But where our views differ is if or if not a person of lesser intellect can learn them. Just to make it clear, my view of this kind of person is about 10 on the Illarion intellect scale, but spends his time doing nothing but magic. I don't think it is right that he can NEVER learn some spells regardless of the time he spends working at it.
I am not saying this should be put into effect immediately, just as something to consider while making the magic system to replace this one. I don't mean to sound angry, I just want to add a different opinion to Illarion.