Obviously I will not come with examples, but this is sadly still happening every now and then.Damien wrote:...and who talked weak-minded staff members into giving them items and boosts for "RP reasons"
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Damien
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Stop discussing and spamming, start forming a newbie helper group who guard the newbie entrance place. That's the only thing that can really help in the long run, because it's the only solution that really grabs the problem at its roots.
We're far beyond the point where the staff can turn things around. The most part of the staff prefers player numbers to RP anyway. It's up to the players, to you.
We're far beyond the point where the staff can turn things around. The most part of the staff prefers player numbers to RP anyway. It's up to the players, to you.
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Another idea:
Make an 'elitist place', which can be accesssed by only those chars who have proven to play constantly at high RP level. Everyone who does not play well in this place will get temporarily banned. There is no clouding, but permanent death for every char. Players are responsibvle for ANYTHING they do there with the char. Unlogical behaviour will be hardly punished. In this special place, however, chars can gain very good items and skills by good RP. So it is sort of 'paradise' everyone wants to get into.
One 'god' would be needed for watching voer rules and good RP, of course.
This will keep some players to Illarion who might be called as elitists in the game. Perhaps.
just an idea.
Make an 'elitist place', which can be accesssed by only those chars who have proven to play constantly at high RP level. Everyone who does not play well in this place will get temporarily banned. There is no clouding, but permanent death for every char. Players are responsibvle for ANYTHING they do there with the char. Unlogical behaviour will be hardly punished. In this special place, however, chars can gain very good items and skills by good RP. So it is sort of 'paradise' everyone wants to get into.
One 'god' would be needed for watching voer rules and good RP, of course.
This will keep some players to Illarion who might be called as elitists in the game. Perhaps.
just an idea.
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Good idea, though one perma death for one cloud is a little too harsh in my opinion...Rugh'toh wrote:Another idea:
Make an 'elitist place', which can be accesssed by only those chars who have proven to play constantly at high RP level. Everyone who does not play well in this place will get temporarily banned. There is no clouding, but permanent death for every char. Players are responsibvle for ANYTHING they do there with the char. Unlogical behaviour will be hardly punished.
This will keep some players to Illarion who might be called as elitists in the game. Perhaps.
just an idea.
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Wonders why there seems to be less problems with the RP on another game that is less strict and has fewer complaints of RP....
One thing I can think of is the age limit requirement.. 17 and up. Though there are a lot of mature people ig on Illa that are younger then this. Perhaps a compromise to the application system versus not appying at all? Maybe a trial period then have to apply by getting a simple background story approved?
Would developing a depot or chest to hold the "throwaway" items of anyone that would like to contribute for new chars be helpful in welcoming them more (and also keep them from roaming so quickly.. there have been numerous times I have tried to find someone new to see if they need help and they are no where around).
One thing I can think of is the age limit requirement.. 17 and up. Though there are a lot of mature people ig on Illa that are younger then this. Perhaps a compromise to the application system versus not appying at all? Maybe a trial period then have to apply by getting a simple background story approved?
Would developing a depot or chest to hold the "throwaway" items of anyone that would like to contribute for new chars be helpful in welcoming them more (and also keep them from roaming so quickly.. there have been numerous times I have tried to find someone new to see if they need help and they are no where around).
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I don't like that idea because I have seen many players start out really slow and then develop into some of the better rpers in Illarion. No matter if your 5 or 20, if you have the ability to to learn the concept of the game, then it doesn't bother me.
There is always a flaw with those age restrictions, though. You can always lie on resumes for the game.
There is always a flaw with those age restrictions, though. You can always lie on resumes for the game.
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Damien,
for players, who are helpfull and friendly to the chars of others, it is not without dangers nowadays, to wait in trollsbane for new chars.
chances are high, that they encounter a guard or other robber instead.
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above was mentioned the idea, to have zones, where different languages prevail.
well, that is done allready. in siberbrand and in nordmark.
in silberbrand it works more or less, because playing dwarves seems to be more common with germans, than with english speaking players.
in nordmark it does not work. there are more visitors (mostly english speaking), than lokals.
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RPing versus PGing
that is the way, we tend to see and express it.
even, if i am not a superb roleplayer, i will give my thoughts to the topic.
i really love it, to have my chars chat away with other players chars.
i like to "clown" a little too. (i try to do it in-char, not ooc)
but, where from do the beers come, that we drink while chatting around the fire? - they have to be made.
but, while i have to restart brewing every 15 seconds, catch falling bottles, assort half bottles from full bottles, and so on..., i can not concentrate on the surrounding chars.
so i am brewing, while there are no other chars around.
a habit, that is called powergaming in our comunity.
but i think, it is just preparing for the next RP.
from my point of view, powergaming is not our problem. the sencelessness of many actions is, what hinders the atmosphere more.
(and here i don't mean crafting or training, but "practical jokes" that make no sense.)
korm
(the PO korm kormsen, of the char Tjalf Kormson - just for certain POs of mages...)
for players, who are helpfull and friendly to the chars of others, it is not without dangers nowadays, to wait in trollsbane for new chars.
chances are high, that they encounter a guard or other robber instead.
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above was mentioned the idea, to have zones, where different languages prevail.
well, that is done allready. in siberbrand and in nordmark.
in silberbrand it works more or less, because playing dwarves seems to be more common with germans, than with english speaking players.
in nordmark it does not work. there are more visitors (mostly english speaking), than lokals.
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RPing versus PGing
that is the way, we tend to see and express it.
even, if i am not a superb roleplayer, i will give my thoughts to the topic.
i really love it, to have my chars chat away with other players chars.
i like to "clown" a little too. (i try to do it in-char, not ooc)
but, where from do the beers come, that we drink while chatting around the fire? - they have to be made.
but, while i have to restart brewing every 15 seconds, catch falling bottles, assort half bottles from full bottles, and so on..., i can not concentrate on the surrounding chars.
so i am brewing, while there are no other chars around.
a habit, that is called powergaming in our comunity.
but i think, it is just preparing for the next RP.
from my point of view, powergaming is not our problem. the sencelessness of many actions is, what hinders the atmosphere more.
(and here i don't mean crafting or training, but "practical jokes" that make no sense.)
korm
(the PO korm kormsen, of the char Tjalf Kormson - just for certain POs of mages...)
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I agree so with this Korm.RPing versus PGing
that is the way, we tend to see and express it.
even, if i am not a superb roleplayer, i will give my thoughts to the topic.
i really love it, to have my chars chat away with other players chars.
i like to "clown" a little too. (i try to do it in-char, not ooc)
but, where from do the beers come, that we drink while chatting around the fire? - they have to be made.
but, while i have to restart brewing every 15 seconds, catch falling bottles, assort half bottles from full bottles, and so on..., i can not concentrate on the surrounding chars.
so i am brewing, while there are no other chars around.
a habit, that is called powergaming in our comunity.
but i think, it is just preparing for the next RP.
from my point of view, powergaming is not our problem. the sencelessness of many actions is, what hinders the atmosphere more.
(and here i don't mean crafting or training, but "practical jokes" that make no sense.)
And the thing with the different languages.. In silverbrand it works because the englisp players who playing a dwarf going to TB or Varshikar. Thats the reality.
I believe that many self-declared elite-RPers, who seem to have convinced a lot of people that their understanding of RP is the "real thing", have in fact NOT understood roleplaying at all.
Roleplaying means to play a character under certain conditions. Act as this character you created would act as if it was the real world.
Who said that only chatting is true and real RP!? Look at you in real life, are you ONLY chatting IRL? I am not. Sometimes, I train. Alone. I go jogging or lift some weights. Sometimes I read -- alone! I do calculations or program something. Alone. I cook. Alone! Am I a badly played character IRL?! I hope not.
So, in fact, characters only chatting and POs believing that THIS is true and pure RP should probably be banned for bad RP. I don't know a real person who chats and does nothing else IRL.
Brewing beer being PG? Ridiculous! Who told you? Only chatting being pure RP? That's utterly stupid!
In short: All you so called elitist RP players: You are in fact really BAD roleplayers. You have NOT AT ALL understood what roleplaying means.
Martin
Roleplaying means to play a character under certain conditions. Act as this character you created would act as if it was the real world.
Who said that only chatting is true and real RP!? Look at you in real life, are you ONLY chatting IRL? I am not. Sometimes, I train. Alone. I go jogging or lift some weights. Sometimes I read -- alone! I do calculations or program something. Alone. I cook. Alone! Am I a badly played character IRL?! I hope not.
So, in fact, characters only chatting and POs believing that THIS is true and pure RP should probably be banned for bad RP. I don't know a real person who chats and does nothing else IRL.
Brewing beer being PG? Ridiculous! Who told you? Only chatting being pure RP? That's utterly stupid!
In short: All you so called elitist RP players: You are in fact really BAD roleplayers. You have NOT AT ALL understood what roleplaying means.
Martin
Basically you are right...
except for one thing: A player who only does the "interacting" (to express it apropiate) is no bad rper at all. Because he rps that he has something else to do than chatting, but maybe does it at the forums or elsewhere.... Just because he dont use the crafting engine very often because he rather interacts with other character, does not mean his role cant be a crafter..
It would be silly to roleplay a mastersmith with low smithing skills, but he can roleplay a smith, without actually engine smithing..
So basically only interacting while ingame is no bad RP..
Doing no interacting and only crafting is bad rp...
But i agree with you that self-declared elite-RP-ers are the worst Roleplayers.. Because ignoring others RP, or giving him the feeling to be a better roleplayer OOCly, is the worst rp one can do.
except for one thing: A player who only does the "interacting" (to express it apropiate) is no bad rper at all. Because he rps that he has something else to do than chatting, but maybe does it at the forums or elsewhere.... Just because he dont use the crafting engine very often because he rather interacts with other character, does not mean his role cant be a crafter..
It would be silly to roleplay a mastersmith with low smithing skills, but he can roleplay a smith, without actually engine smithing..
So basically only interacting while ingame is no bad RP..
Doing no interacting and only crafting is bad rp...
But i agree with you that self-declared elite-RP-ers are the worst Roleplayers.. Because ignoring others RP, or giving him the feeling to be a better roleplayer OOCly, is the worst rp one can do.
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Role play means also to live a life in a phantasy world. SO .. Korm is right.
He ( and I have done the same ) works if he is alone.. another Char arrives and wish to RP.. sure.. no problem.
For me I can say I have never ignored a person who wants rp or greet me.
But I have also trained or worked with other Characters IG and this was fun, too.
I think you are a bit too harsh Martin and I think this isn't helpfully and helps no one, but I agree that ignoring RP, if you think you are the best of the best, is the worst thing ever.
Edit: I will add this link, this is the way for ME ( doesn't mean for all others.. I'm not an elitist
) to RP .... (before start a new flame war >.< )
http://illarion.org/community/forums/vi ... highlight=
He ( and I have done the same ) works if he is alone.. another Char arrives and wish to RP.. sure.. no problem.
For me I can say I have never ignored a person who wants rp or greet me.
But I have also trained or worked with other Characters IG and this was fun, too.
I think you are a bit too harsh Martin and I think this isn't helpfully and helps no one, but I agree that ignoring RP, if you think you are the best of the best, is the worst thing ever.
Edit: I will add this link, this is the way for ME ( doesn't mean for all others.. I'm not an elitist
) to RP .... (before start a new flame war >.< )http://illarion.org/community/forums/vi ... highlight=
First of all, I believe that forum-RP is something that should be forbidden entirely. My opinion. At least, it should be reduced to an absolute minimum. Currently, more people are RPing in the forum than in the game. Go and find some forum-RP-game. Illarion is a game, not Illarion's forums.Noradur wrote:A player who only does the "interacting" (to express it apropiate) is no bad rper at all. Because he rps that he has something else to do than chatting, but maybe does it at the forums or elsewhere....
Secondly, these players oftenly accuse others of PGing if they don't behave like they do. If they, for example, brew beer alone or go hunting or do whatever is not chatting. Plus, how do you "RP" doing something else? On the forums? Screw it! Log out and next time tell that you have done XYZ? I consider that bad RP style.
For me, it does. A crafter crafts. A crafter is not someone telling everyone that he crafted but does not really do anything. What would be the sense of a game where I pretend to play it?Just because he dont use the crafting engine very often because he rather interacts with other character, does not mean his role cant be a crafter..
He can, however I would forbid it. I would laugh at him in game.It would be silly to roleplay a mastersmith with low smithing skills, but he can roleplay a smith, without actually engine smithing..
I beg to differ.So basically only interacting while ingame is no bad RP..
In most cases, sure.Doing no interacting and only crafting is bad rp...
However, how about someone RPing that he interacted but... by what you previously said, that would be enough. If it's enough to RP having smithed but not really smith, it would be enough to RP having interacted but not really interact.
Martin
That's exactly what I meant. Your idea of RP is: Chat.Alytys Lamar wrote:another Char arrives and wish to RP.. sure.. no problem.
Because you should have said:
"another Char arrives and wishs to CHAT...".
Because "to RP" can also be: to hunt, to smith, to dig, to...
However, your sentence implies: ONLY chatting is RPing. This is what I wanted you all to understand. It might happen that you start chatting with that person, but it's not necessary. "Chat as soon as someone else is around" is NOT identical with "true roleplaying".
Who wants to CHAT or greets you.For me I can say I have never ignored a person who wants rp or greet me.
Personally, speaking of RL, I do have ignored persons who wanted to talk to me or greeted me, for different reasons.
Sometimes because I was too focused on something else and didn't notice them, sometimes because of social reasons, sometimes as a joke. Whatever.
Martin
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Firstly, 'no one' ever said that one should chat ONLY. Hell we all have trained and done other things, that alone would become in fact boring.
However, there are two defintions of roleplaying, and both are right.
One is: "In roleplaying, participants adopt and act out the role of characters, or parts, that may have personalities, motivations, and backgrounds different from their own."
Second one is: "To act out or describe your character’s interactions with other characters (most often by speaking in-character) and the game world."
Now, seeing how it can be hard to find someone to roleplay (in the sense, to interact) with IG, people should try more to engage into some interaction when that is possible, than going training and roleplay their roles.
I agree with Korm that training or performing some skill alone should be done when you fail to find characters to interact with.
However, there are two defintions of roleplaying, and both are right.
One is: "In roleplaying, participants adopt and act out the role of characters, or parts, that may have personalities, motivations, and backgrounds different from their own."
Second one is: "To act out or describe your character’s interactions with other characters (most often by speaking in-character) and the game world."
Now, seeing how it can be hard to find someone to roleplay (in the sense, to interact) with IG, people should try more to engage into some interaction when that is possible, than going training and roleplay their roles.
I agree with Korm that training or performing some skill alone should be done when you fail to find characters to interact with.
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Erm, you are aware that you can do both, chatting and "playing"? I mean, the best gaming experience I had was when characters joined and did stuff together. Like exploring dungeons, raiding the gold mine, working hard in the Silverbrand forge to produce weapons for an upcoming battle, crafting lutes and selling them to Eliza while other chars chopped trees to bring new raw materials an so on.
Martin's definition of roleplaying is quite right, roleplay means to play a role with everything that includes a role. Some characters sometimes want to be alone. Some characters might be afraid of other persons they don't know. Usually, such roles are no fun in this game, but they are not "bad". Anyway, any "good RP, bad RP" discussion is doomed to end either in a flame war or other bs. Let's focus on not spoiling others fun and the most fun comes from interacting in any way with other characters. Bashing monsters in a group is usually more fun than bashing 'em alone
Martin's definition of roleplaying is quite right, roleplay means to play a role with everything that includes a role. Some characters sometimes want to be alone. Some characters might be afraid of other persons they don't know. Usually, such roles are no fun in this game, but they are not "bad". Anyway, any "good RP, bad RP" discussion is doomed to end either in a flame war or other bs. Let's focus on not spoiling others fun and the most fun comes from interacting in any way with other characters. Bashing monsters in a group is usually more fun than bashing 'em alone
I read this thread from the beginning til the end, thought about the posts, opinions, thoughts, possible methods of resolution posted etc.
No, I don't have a general solution ... but:
I started to play Illarion abt. 15 months ago, I read the manual before playing, I read the boards before playing (call me oldfashioned, but that's what I do, before starting something new), and this is what I suggest every new player I encounter ingame after explaining the basics like moving, talking, emotes.
Since I've been playing and reading the forums, since the very first day up to this very moment there have always been statements like "rp is decreasing".
wait ... the title of this topic is "problem in the community" ...
I for myself summarised this thread:
the problem of this community is lack of respect!
- respecting players and their opinions on the boards
- respecting chars ig, no matter what they personate
- respecting efforts done by everyone helping in whatsoever way
- respecting any sort of rp, even if different from your own
this - in my opinion - true problem of this community leads to the "rp-problems" discussed in here. I don't say, that everyone disrespects every other player/char, but read the boards, the general tone implies it.
One problem for sure is the forum (I agree with martin here) and the messengers, means ooc-talk/information.
As I said in the beginning: since the very first days I joined this community it has been this way, still Illarion exists and attracts, both new players and old players ... so it can't be that bad
No, I don't have a solution, just a suggestion:
treat others the way you want to be treated, and I am sure, Illarion still will exist and improve over the next years.
für die Spieler, die der englischen Sprache nicht mächtig sind:
ich werde nicht den kompletten Thread übersetzen, aber im Großen und Ganzen geht es (wieder mal) um "gutes rp/schlechtes rp".
Viele Meinungen wurde ausgetauscht, eine Gesamtlösung gibt es nicht.
Ich werde dieses Thema für mich abschließen mit den Gedanken, die ich mir hierzu gemacht habe:
das Problem der Community ist mangelnder Respekt:
- Respekt gegenüber anderen Spielern
- Respekt gegenüber anderen Chars, was auch immer sie ig verkörpern
- Respekt gegenüber dem Aufwand, den jeder betreibt, der hilft, das Spiel voranzutreiben
- Respekt gegenüber RP, wenn es anders als das eigene ist
Illarion wurde schon, als ich vor ca. 15 Monaten angefangen hab zu spielen, totgeglaubt/-geredet. Es wird noch über Jahre weiter bestehen bleiben, wenn jeder jeden so behandelt, wie er/sie selbst behandelt werden möchte.
more than 2 cents, I agree, but with this I am finished 
No, I don't have a general solution ... but:
I started to play Illarion abt. 15 months ago, I read the manual before playing, I read the boards before playing (call me oldfashioned, but that's what I do, before starting something new), and this is what I suggest every new player I encounter ingame after explaining the basics like moving, talking, emotes.
Since I've been playing and reading the forums, since the very first day up to this very moment there have always been statements like "rp is decreasing".
wait ... the title of this topic is "problem in the community" ...I for myself summarised this thread:
the problem of this community is lack of respect!
- respecting players and their opinions on the boards
- respecting chars ig, no matter what they personate
- respecting efforts done by everyone helping in whatsoever way
- respecting any sort of rp, even if different from your own
this - in my opinion - true problem of this community leads to the "rp-problems" discussed in here. I don't say, that everyone disrespects every other player/char, but read the boards, the general tone implies it.
One problem for sure is the forum (I agree with martin here) and the messengers, means ooc-talk/information.
As I said in the beginning: since the very first days I joined this community it has been this way, still Illarion exists and attracts, both new players and old players ... so it can't be that bad
No, I don't have a solution, just a suggestion:
treat others the way you want to be treated, and I am sure, Illarion still will exist and improve over the next years.
für die Spieler, die der englischen Sprache nicht mächtig sind:
ich werde nicht den kompletten Thread übersetzen, aber im Großen und Ganzen geht es (wieder mal) um "gutes rp/schlechtes rp".
Viele Meinungen wurde ausgetauscht, eine Gesamtlösung gibt es nicht.
Ich werde dieses Thema für mich abschließen mit den Gedanken, die ich mir hierzu gemacht habe:
das Problem der Community ist mangelnder Respekt:
- Respekt gegenüber anderen Spielern
- Respekt gegenüber anderen Chars, was auch immer sie ig verkörpern
- Respekt gegenüber dem Aufwand, den jeder betreibt, der hilft, das Spiel voranzutreiben
- Respekt gegenüber RP, wenn es anders als das eigene ist
Illarion wurde schon, als ich vor ca. 15 Monaten angefangen hab zu spielen, totgeglaubt/-geredet. Es wird noch über Jahre weiter bestehen bleiben, wenn jeder jeden so behandelt, wie er/sie selbst behandelt werden möchte.
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I agree fully, this would be for players, GM's. Dev's or anyone. I might also add that it is disrespectul to purposefully interrupt/stop a RP due to personal preferences that are not against ig rules (this would be the personal reasons of a PO, not a char's).respecting players and their opinions on the boards
- respecting chars ig, no matter what they personate
- respecting efforts done by everyone helping in whatsoever way
- respecting any sort of rp, even if different from your own
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I hope that you are the only one with that opinion.martin wrote: First of all, I believe that forum-RP is something that should be forbidden entirely. My opinion. At least, it should be reduced to an absolute minimum. Currently, more people are RPing in the forum than in the game. Go and find some forum-RP-game. Illarion is a game, not Illarion's forums.
In my case for example: I'm currently not able to go ingame. The only way to access the internet is in my break time at work. But since I do not wish to lose the touch with Illarion or with my characters I'm doing forum-rp. Or in PO Aleytys case: She is currently doing a break from the game, because there is too much stuff distressing her in real life, so instead she is thinking what her character could be doing during this time and she writes a board story about it.
And most of the other threads are mainly résumés about what has been happening ingame and what the characters are thinking / feeling about it.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with board rp, when you are not able to go ingame or just to have a résumés about what has been happening ingame for other people to read or write about too.
I for example love reading about Tybalts and Merungs story and I love reading in Sarils posts about what has happened lately and how is char is going on...
PS: Apart from that I have made experience that when the more new posts are in the RPG the better/more exciting is the roleplay ingame. Because when something exciting is happening ingame that moves people, they tend to write about it in the RPG forum.
When there are no new posts for few days, you can tell that it is boring ingame currently.
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* In my opinion good or bad RP does not matter, RP or not RP is what matters.
* The main focus on skills and fighting/spelling destroys the RP atmosphere.
* Many characters are not consistently played: A murderer will be a murderer forever. A dead (public known RP dead) character should not be played anymore. A "bad" character can not expect to walk unoffended through the guarded towns during the daylight time, also if no guard characters are online (of course, in the Illa reality he can. but this is implausible). And so on and so on. This is a reason why there is no fear IG and why many characters and their RP are ignored.
Just my personal opinion.
PO Rosendil
* The main focus on skills and fighting/spelling destroys the RP atmosphere.
* Many characters are not consistently played: A murderer will be a murderer forever. A dead (public known RP dead) character should not be played anymore. A "bad" character can not expect to walk unoffended through the guarded towns during the daylight time, also if no guard characters are online (of course, in the Illa reality he can. but this is implausible). And so on and so on. This is a reason why there is no fear IG and why many characters and their RP are ignored.
Just my personal opinion.
PO Rosendil
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Rugh'toh wrote: Make an 'elitist place', which can be accesssed by only those chars who have proven to play constantly at high RP level. Everyone who does not play well in this place will get temporarily banned. There is no clouding, but permanent death for every char. Players are responsibvle for ANYTHING they do there with the char. Unlogical behaviour will be hardly punished. In this special place, however, chars can gain very good items and skills by good RP. So it is sort of 'paradise' everyone wants to get into.
One 'god' would be needed for watching voer rules and good RP, of course.
I know its rather late, but this is the worst crap I ever saw, because now everyone with high powered skills and top notch equipment could kill just everyone and who decides what "high end" rp is?
Rosendil is kinda right there, with the "not consistently played" Chars all these wannabe baddies suddendly change in their behaviour completly in a matter of seconds, do complety illogical things and run around in guarded towns, because they wear "masks" but a simple mask can't change how tall a char is, how his overall appeariance is and how he speaks, if he limps and so on.
The focusing on skills is another thing, because now, I guess even more than ever, people want to see that your Rp his supported by your skill, sure this stops some people from saying they would be a super magewarriorsmithpriest, but still kinda sucks if you just find powergaming boring, you aren't taken seriously, if you don't got the Skills, which is just stupid.
Don't get Martin wrong. One thing he's also tried hard to do with the development of Illarion is to make it so you need to interact to succeed and to accomplish various things. This is just like real life, where while a human being can stand alone he can better succeed by leading a social life.
While I think that to some degree you have an obligation to interact on some level just for the sake of telling a collective story (Martin seems to be implying above that rp is full immersion, and I don't personally believe that, and, in fact, find that that view can cause unhealthy interactions ingame. People who believe in full immersion rp, for example, would not be able to avoid players who make them feel uncomfortable ingame or, as another example, they could not control what their characters do to some degree--within a range of actions that fit the role of the character--to optimize their fun, and this *is* a game.) you shouldn't have to interact with people at all if you don't want to.
While it's polite behavior to, at the very least, signal to a player with a #me command that you saw that they typed at you and either ignored or it or weren't listening, you shouldn't have to interact with anyone on any level and especially not during your leisure time (and again, game!).
At Illarion there's always been this sense to me that if I were crafting and someone steps up and says "hi" if I were to say "buzz off! I'm working!" I would get some awful things said about my rp behind my back or even to my face.
With this expectation comes a lot of things, and, in fact, it creates an environment ripe for abuse. Sad to say, online roleplaying games attract predators and lonely people like honey attracts flies. If someone's here to cyber you or stalk you or make your day bad, it's not only your right to ignore them, it's probably the healthier decision. Applying that elsewhere you have the right to ignore anyone, really, and especially anyone who's making you feel uncomfortable or you're just not having fun interacting with at this moment.
If it's bad rp to ignore people, it's my armchair Psychologist's opinion, then it's time to start supporting bad rp.
So let them craft, for crying out loud. =)
While I think that to some degree you have an obligation to interact on some level just for the sake of telling a collective story (Martin seems to be implying above that rp is full immersion, and I don't personally believe that, and, in fact, find that that view can cause unhealthy interactions ingame. People who believe in full immersion rp, for example, would not be able to avoid players who make them feel uncomfortable ingame or, as another example, they could not control what their characters do to some degree--within a range of actions that fit the role of the character--to optimize their fun, and this *is* a game.) you shouldn't have to interact with people at all if you don't want to.
While it's polite behavior to, at the very least, signal to a player with a #me command that you saw that they typed at you and either ignored or it or weren't listening, you shouldn't have to interact with anyone on any level and especially not during your leisure time (and again, game!).
At Illarion there's always been this sense to me that if I were crafting and someone steps up and says "hi" if I were to say "buzz off! I'm working!" I would get some awful things said about my rp behind my back or even to my face.
With this expectation comes a lot of things, and, in fact, it creates an environment ripe for abuse. Sad to say, online roleplaying games attract predators and lonely people like honey attracts flies. If someone's here to cyber you or stalk you or make your day bad, it's not only your right to ignore them, it's probably the healthier decision. Applying that elsewhere you have the right to ignore anyone, really, and especially anyone who's making you feel uncomfortable or you're just not having fun interacting with at this moment.
If it's bad rp to ignore people, it's my armchair Psychologist's opinion, then it's time to start supporting bad rp.
So let them craft, for crying out loud. =)